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Post by Johnny Edwards on May 8, 2011 21:22:55 GMT -5
These are my own personal opinions I am typing. Evil can have many faces but the most evil one is to allow the evil to happen before your eyes and not use righteous anger against it.
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Post by Ryan Thames on May 8, 2011 21:35:07 GMT -5
Maybe I misunderstood you, your saying that you think Osama was in with the "powers that be" cough cough the power of money or working alone? Thats what you are saying correct I can agree with that statement. I don't know if he was working with "them" but I do know he was the one that orchestrated it. It seems "they" wouldn't kill him for doing what they said but then again "they" are evil right??? I think he was either part of them or a pawn used by them. More likely in my mind part of them. Remember "they" are planning to place into power the anti Christ. Bible prophecy teaches that solomons temple WILL be rebuilt in Jerusalem. And the Antichrist will rule from there. "they" plan to rebuild the temple. In order for that to take place "they" have to be VERY influential and/or in control of the Jewish, Christian and Muslim religious structure and military. In order to keep peace in the region so they can demolish the mosque and rebuild the temple in Jerusalem.
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Post by Johnny Edwards on May 8, 2011 21:38:03 GMT -5
Maybe I misunderstood you, your saying that you think Osama was in with the "powers that be" cough cough the power of money or working alone? Thats what you are saying correct I can agree with that statement. I don't know if he was working with "them" but I do know he was the one that orchestrated it. It seems "they" wouldn't kill him for doing what they said but then again "they" are evil right??? I think he was either part of them or a pawn used by them. More likely in my mind part of them. Remember "they" are planning to place into power the anti Christ. Bible prophecy teaches that solomons temple WILL be rebuilt in Jerusalem. And the Antichrist will rule from there. "they" plan to rebuild the temple. In order for that to take place "they" have to be VERY influential and/or in control of the Jewish, Christian and Muslim religious structure and military. In order to keep peace in the region so they can demolish the mosque and rebuild the temple in Jerusalem. I agree with that Ryan.
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Post by Ryan Thames on May 8, 2011 21:41:35 GMT -5
Watch "in plane site"
They make a clear point that Muslims with box cutters did not fly commercial airliners into those towers..... And very clear point that it is NOT possible that a plane hit the pentagon.
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Post by Ryan Thames on May 8, 2011 21:43:38 GMT -5
Osama's involvement in 9/11 could very well been limited to
"pssst.... Osama, I need you to simply convince your people you were behind this. We will take care of the rest"
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Post by Stephen Pickron "Pic" on May 8, 2011 21:46:42 GMT -5
^How is it right to allow someone like that to live??? I don't see the logic in it? Why risk putting more innocent lives at stake just for the sake of their one evil life??? Im not up for just murdering someone for no reason then you truly are like them but putting them away for crimes like they committed is not the same thing. You can't allow evil to exist and not continue doing what it was doing. If you let it live then who is to say it doesn't build up a huge force to break it out of it's imprisonment? I don't mean he should be a free man. I say lock him in for as long as you wish but don't murder him. I work in a prison and to place someone like this in jail for life is just a waste of taxpayers $$....he didnt deserve to live!!!! You say even pediphiles and murders dont deserve the death penalty...what if one of them pediphiles had messed if one of your children or the murderer killed one of your family members...I see it everyday these sickos walk around on the compound like they havent done anything...just waiting to get out and find their next victim....I say kill them all and let god sort them out!!!!
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Post by Johnny Edwards on May 8, 2011 21:49:01 GMT -5
^thats where I disagree with the conspiracy. I think it happened like it was said it happened. It is a fact disinformation is given to make you believe a lie, in this case I believe some of the whistle blowers to be the disinformation. If you study popular mechanics the evidence is there that supports exactly what happened the conspiracy has no factual evidence just theories and opinions. I do believe there is foul play but I believe Osama had this done. As far as the powers that be, they could have had him do it but It hink it happened the way it's said to have happened. There were no explosives used except the planes themselves.
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Post by Johnny Edwards on May 8, 2011 21:51:01 GMT -5
Invent a fake story, then officially declare it false and make it shady to make everyone want to believe "that" story because the real one they gave you can lead you to real facts. I personally know some "people" that say this practice is very frequent.
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Post by Johnny Edwards on May 8, 2011 21:54:05 GMT -5
The fake story being that explosives were used, that witnesses seen a missile using a hologram to disguise it as a plane hitting the pentagon. Thats the disinformation story. Physics do not lie. Math is one thing we can us for a remotely factual basis. Structural failure analysis is also a very valid and factual grounds to why the WTC actually collapsed the reason the second one hit collapsed first is because it was hit lower than the first and the added weight lead to structural failure faster. Its all in the physics and math which do not lie or have opinions.
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Post by Charlie Minell on May 8, 2011 21:55:55 GMT -5
As I said.. it's not comforting enough but I believe it's the only right thing to do. If he did this to my family I would want him to die of course, but I still don't think it's the right thing to do. If we accept this killing mentality when we "don't agree" with people from other cultures we shouldn't complain when they use the same mentality against us when they don't agree with us. I think we should lead by example! If we think torture is a bad thing then we shouldn't torture. If we don't want bombs in our towns we shouldn't bomb other towns if there are other solutions. If we don't believe in uncivilized killing we shouldn't do it ourselves. We shouldn't lowering ourselves to their level. I see your logical argument in this. But you can't sit by and expect evil not to attack you just because you wanna remain peaceful. When someone does attack you your going to retaliate. It's as simple as this. If someone walked up to you Charlie and punched you in the face and kicked your child while they were at it. Are you going to stand there and not do something back?? It is the exact same concept. They acted uncivilized by attacking you and your child, if you retaliate you are going to be acting uncivilized according to you, BUT there is a thing such as "righteous justice". If you defend yourself strictly on the basis of being attacked first then that is righteous and overrules any uncivilized manners you may have shown because you were acting in self defense. Only a coward sits back and lets someone attack them and does absolutely nothing about it. If you let your mind be weak like that you will be a person that gets walked over because the uncivilized person will view you as weak and ripe for the picking. I didn't say anyone should sit by and expect evil not to attack just because I, or we, want to remain peaceful. I agree "we" should act if someone attacks, but not by following their foot steps and doing exactly the same thing as we condemn them by doing. There are different kinds of retaliation, or acts, and we only have different opinions on what the reaonable "answer" should be. If someone punched me in the face I wouldn't hit him back. I've been in this situation before and I didn't "retaliate". I'm smarter than that...! If I hit him back and he would stabb me with a knife in return I would feel like the biggest idiot in the world.. letting my ego be the reason why my life ended. It would mainly have been due to MY decision. If someone hit my child it would be another story I'm afraid but again, that would be my decision only and I would have to live with the consequenses, or maybe not live with them. We have cops for a reason... You are missing my point again Johnny. I don't mean anyone should sit back and do nothing when they are attacked. I'm only saying that there are rules on what kind of "retaliations" that are acceptable. Even in wars there are rules. For example, it's not allowed to use biological weapons in wars. Another rule is that you have to follow the declaration of human rights, and those rights were not followed when Osama was murdered. Believe me, I don't care about his life as much as it may sound. What I dislike in this mess is that "we", USA, "the good side", or whatever we should call it, AGAIN lowered ourselves to the terrorists' level by using exactly the same methods as they are using. "We" are murdering them because they are murdering us, and then we are hoping that they won't keep murdering us. It's f***** up from the beginning to the end!
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Post by Johnny Edwards on May 8, 2011 22:01:55 GMT -5
I see your logical argument in this. But you can't sit by and expect evil not to attack you just because you wanna remain peaceful. When someone does attack you your going to retaliate. It's as simple as this. If someone walked up to you Charlie and punched you in the face and kicked your child while they were at it. Are you going to stand there and not do something back?? It is the exact same concept. They acted uncivilized by attacking you and your child, if you retaliate you are going to be acting uncivilized according to you, BUT there is a thing such as "righteous justice". If you defend yourself strictly on the basis of being attacked first then that is righteous and overrules any uncivilized manners you may have shown because you were acting in self defense. Only a coward sits back and lets someone attack them and does absolutely nothing about it. If you let your mind be weak like that you will be a person that gets walked over because the uncivilized person will view you as weak and ripe for the picking. I didn't say anyone should sit by and expect evil not to attack just because I, or we, want to remain peaceful. I agree "we" should act if someone attacks, but not by following their foot steps and doing exactly the same thing as we condemn them by doing. There are different kinds of retaliation, or acts, and we only have different opinions on what the reaonable "answer" should be. If someone punched me in the face I wouldn't hit him back. I've been in this situation before and I didn't "retaliate". I'm smarter than that...! If I hit him back and he would stabb me with a knife in return I would feel like the biggest idiot in the world.. letting my ego be the reason why my life ended. It would mainly have been due to MY decision. If someone hit my child it would be another story I'm afraid but again, that would be my decision only and I would have to live with the consequenses, or maybe not live with them. We have cops for a reason... You are missing my point again Johnny. I don't mean anyone should sit back and do nothing when they are attacked. I'm only saying that there are rules on what kind of "retaliations" that are acceptable. Even in wars there are rules. For example, it's not allowed to use biological weapons in wars. Another rule is that you have to follow the declaration of human rights, and those rights were not followed when Osama was murdered. Believe me, I don't care about his life as much as it may sound. What I dislike in this mess is that "we", USA, "the good side", or whatever we should call it, AGAIN lowered ourselves to the terrorists' level by using exactly the same methods as they are using. "We" are murdering them because they are murdering us, and then we are hoping that they won't keep murdering us. It's f***** up from the beginning to the end! You can say that you wouldn't hit the man back but who is to say he doesn't pull the knife out after he hits you and uses it too whether you retaliate or not, that is the mindset of a terrorist. You just said if they hit your kid you are going to retaliate. If someone murdered your kid right before your eyes what would you do??? There is a difference in stooping to their level doing exactly the same as them, using a righteous reason to retaliate is not stooping to their level you are missing the point. If you don't attack back they are going to get bolder and do more and more till you eventually fall to them.
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Post by Charlie Minell on May 8, 2011 22:06:33 GMT -5
I don't mean he should be a free man. I say lock him in for as long as you wish but don't murder him. I work in a prison and to place someone like this in jail for life is just a waste of taxpayers $$....he didnt deserve to live!!!! You say even pediphiles and murders dont deserve the death penalty...what if one of them pediphiles had messed if one of your children or the murderer killed one of your family members...I see it everyday these sickos walk around on the compound like they havent done anything...just waiting to get out and find their next victim....I say kill them all and let god sort them out!!!! Yeah... kill them. Kill them all!!! KILL KILL KILL... Allah Akbar!!! I've just said my opinions about how pedophiles and murderers should be handled, even if I was on the receiving end.
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Post by Johnny Edwards on May 8, 2011 22:07:19 GMT -5
For instance a gun can be evil or good. you can use it to hunt food which is good or you can use it to kill and innocent person which is evil. Killing can be used as a righteous or evil tool. If you shoot someone that is about to stab and innocent person in the face that is a righteous reason you saved and innocent life over and evil life. Or in Osamas case you can carry out attacks that kill innocent people which is evil. Killing in itself is not and evil action or a good action it is the pretense under which it is used. I admit if he was not armed and he did not appear threatening then they should have apprehended him first if for no other reason than to get all the information they could out of him let me post what a former soldier wrote when I asked their opinion.
"well i say get information first on his organization and really anything that can help our country with both wars and identify the enemy better than we can now. but while we are getting all the information we can put his ass in a holding ce...ll with no windows just bars. another reason is that we're not suppose to hate or act like our enemies, I know it's hard but if we do, we're just as bad as them. If his life was taken unarmed in the heat of battle well that happens, in a combat zone and battle, you can't really determine who is armed and who's not from a far distance or not. Now if they (us troops) were face to face and say he was unarmed, than that was unmoral and wrong on them...but if they had the order to kill him no matter what, than they were following orders, and it was their higher up's fault. but man i could go on n on about this subject, but i think i kinda got my point across, if not message me."
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Post by Ryan Thames on May 8, 2011 22:12:24 GMT -5
A gun is an inanimate object. It is neither good or evil. Just saying
Lol
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Post by Johnny Edwards on May 8, 2011 22:15:08 GMT -5
A gun is an inanimate object. It is neither good or evil. Just saying Lol A gun can be the instrument of good or evil. Your right a gun in and of itself is neutral. But it's the intent that guides it.
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