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Post by Johnny Edwards on May 22, 2011 12:51:06 GMT -5
Im honestly not sure it just says that they can't enter the kingdom of God. Only God knows.
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Post by Johnny Edwards on May 22, 2011 12:53:55 GMT -5
I know it says where weeping and gnashing of teeth are. Sheol translates something like Abode of darkness or something like that. I know it says that people who go against God don't go to God when they die but it's not up to me to tell them they aren't going their because I don't know how God speaks to that person in their life.
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Post by Johnny Edwards on May 22, 2011 12:54:54 GMT -5
And we also don't know someone's thoughts right before they die.
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Post by enginterzi on May 22, 2011 12:55:32 GMT -5
Bill,would you say "it is a sin" if anyone sleeps with someone's wife? i guess yes because that is how you are ordered to believe.that is not your judgement but judgement of GOD according to your belief.everytime we say right or wrong about something,it is a judgement.if this is based on the scripture that you believe in then it is not your judgement but the judgement that GOD (according to your belief) has already informed you.
of course from the point of peopl who do not believe as you believe,it is your judgement but from the point of peopl who shares same belief as you do,it is the judgement of GOD.
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Post by enginterzi on May 22, 2011 13:00:07 GMT -5
And we also don't know someone's thoughts right before they die. then he-she will not be considered subject to that judgement anymore. |
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Post by Johnny Edwards on May 22, 2011 13:00:07 GMT -5
Bill,would you say "it is a sin" if anyone sleeps with someone's wife? i guess yes because that is how you are ordered to believe.that is not your judgement but judgement of GOD according to your belief.everytime we say right or wrong about something,it is a judgement.if this is based on the scripture that you believe in then it is not your judgement but the judgement that GOD (according to your belief) has already informed you. of course from the point of peopl who do not believe as you believe,it is your judgement but from the point of peopl who shares same belief as you do,it is the judgement of GOD. See I understand what your saying, yes it's wrong to sleep with someone elses wife. No argument there, but I can't say what that person's afterlife holds based on that action just that the action itself is wrong. You can condemn sin but not people |
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Post by Johnny Edwards on May 22, 2011 13:01:14 GMT -5
And we also don't know someone's thoughts right before they die. then he-she will not be considered subject to that judgement anymore. Like I said only God can judge someone when they die, I am not at liberty to judge in his place because I am not God. |
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Post by enginterzi on May 22, 2011 13:43:13 GMT -5
Bill,would you say "it is a sin" if anyone sleeps with someone's wife? i guess yes because that is how you are ordered to believe.that is not your judgement but judgement of GOD according to your belief.everytime we say right or wrong about something,it is a judgement.if this is based on the scripture that you believe in then it is not your judgement but the judgement that GOD (according to your belief) has already informed you. of course from the point of peopl who do not believe as you believe,it is your judgement but from the point of peopl who shares same belief as you do,it is the judgement of GOD. See I understand what your saying, yes it's wrong to sleep with someone elses wife. No argument there, when you say that it is "WRONG" then this is also a judgement. also this verse from Bible is a clear hell verse that says people who doesnt believe in GOD will be judged to death; Luke 19.27 "But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'" am i wrong? |
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Post by enginterzi on May 22, 2011 14:34:28 GMT -5
all i say is that it is part of our faiths to believe in such judgments,it is not like judging someone specifically but a general judgement which includes ourselves as well.we just can not deny this,it would not be honest thing to do.a non believer may also judge that we all will be gone forever etc.
so i understand a non believer to criticise Ryan or Allen about judging according to the scripture (since he does not believe) but i do not understand another Christian to be disturbed by the judgement by scripture that he believes in.
i say this because the method of the messengers was so straight and non political.
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Post by Johnny Edwards on May 22, 2011 14:38:46 GMT -5
I never said it wasn't a judgement on and action I agree that it is but im not gonna go around telling people they are going to hell because I don't know that for certain. The only thing I know for certain is we will all be judged.
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Post by Johnny Edwards on May 22, 2011 14:39:22 GMT -5
all i say is that it is part of our faiths to believe in such judgments,it is not like judging someone specifically but a general judgement which includes ourselves as well.we just can not deny this,it would not be honest thing to do.a non believer may also judge that we all will be gone forever etc. so i understand a non believer to criticise Ryan or Allen about judging according to the scripture (since he does not believe) but i do not understand another Christian to be disturbed by the judgement by scripture that he believes in. i say this because the method of the messengers was so straight and non political. agreed |
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Post by Johnny Edwards on May 22, 2011 14:40:35 GMT -5
If the guy chose his path then God judged him accordingly but I still can't say for certain where he went. For all I know he could have repented before he died?  I wasn't even talking about what Allen said. |
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Post by enginterzi on May 22, 2011 14:43:20 GMT -5
I never said it wasn't a judgement on and action I agree that it is but im not gonna go around telling people they are going to hell because I don't know that for certain. The only thing I know for certain is we will all be judged. agreed as well.we personally can not judge anyone as we are not judges.our intention should always be positive,negative intention can only be self satisfaction of our evil feelings and this is not a GODly way to behave. |
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Post by Ryan Thames on May 22, 2011 14:45:13 GMT -5
I see what you guys are saying Engin but I can't tell you that you are going to hell or not that is not my place nor my judgement to make. Thats why it's good to not judge people and tell them this and that because God alone is the judge and he will carry out his judgment there is no need for me to try and tell someone they are wrong. I can explain my faith but condemning them will just push them away from my faith, I think thats why God teaches us not to judge. Engin is right in explaining what I mean. And absolutely we have a responsibity as Christians Johnny tell people that outside of Christ you are already destined for hell. That's what the gospel is all about. To tell a people who were are ready destined for hell that Christ saved us from that doom if we trust in his sacrifice for us. |
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Post by Ryan Thames on May 22, 2011 14:46:30 GMT -5
If I say anyone that doesn't believe Jesus died on the cross for our sins doesn't have a place in God's kingdom that is stating the word, if I say you are going to hell beause you don't believe Jesus died on the cross for your sins that is judging in my opinion. There is a difference in sharing a belief and judging. Brother there is no difference in those statements other than one seems a little more sugar coated than the other. |
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I wasn't even talking about what Allen said.
