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Post by A L L E N F I S H E R on May 21, 2011 21:27:39 GMT -5
George Carlin - Religion is bullcrap
George Carlin was so knowledgeable about life, history and how people think. He was one of the best known and talented comedians in the world. During his entire life he attacked the God who made Him and sustained him in life, not to mention all those who represented him. Now his soul has returned before the God whom he mocked. As much as I know and believe the Bible to be the word of God, Mr. Carlin is now in a place where he will have to give an account of all those things that he has expressed and believed and preached throughout his life. I think Jesus said it best when he said, it was better that this man had not been born. I certainly would not desire anyone to be in the place where he is now. May God have mercy on those who war against him.
2 Timothy 2:22-26
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Post by A L L E N F I S H E R on May 21, 2011 21:45:27 GMT -5
When you're thinking about the end times, judgment day or the rapture you may want to take a look at the message God has given to us all. He has preserved these words for us throughout time even though the devil and the enemies of the God of Scripture have tried to undermine the authority of His word. God has promised to keep his word pure throughout all ages in time. Think about it, He hasn't allowed man or devil to change what He said. If anyone could change or add to Scripture what kind of God would he be. The maker of heaven and earth and the creator of all mankind is is a sovereign God.
Luke 17:25-27
Matthew 13:48-50
Matthew 13:39-41
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Post by John Milne on May 21, 2011 22:21:18 GMT -5
George Carlin - Religion is bullcrap George Carlin was so knowledgeable about life, history and how people think. He was one of the best known and talented comedians in the world. During his entire life he attacked the God who made Him and sustained him in life, not to mention all those who represented him. Now his soul has returned before the God whom he mocked. As much as I know and believe the Bible to be the word of God, Mr. Carlin is now in a place where he will have to give an account of all those things that he has expressed and believed and preached throughout his life. I think Jesus said it best when he said, it was better that this man had not been born. I certainly would not desire anyone to be in the place where he is now. May God have mercy on those who war against him. 2 Timothy 2:22-26 Nope, you're wrong. He did not mock god, because there is no god. He is not returned before god because there is no god. Speaking about making a mockery Mr. Fisher, don't make a mockery of George Carlin or his beliefs. He knew what he believed and was adamant about it, now you strip him down after his death. Who are you to speak about his beliefs and judge him after he's gone? I suppose it's just easier to have the last word when the person you are talking about is dead. Let me clarify right now so we're clear. You are tearing down the belief system of a dead man. You are judging him and saying everything he believed in was wrong and you and your god are right. Not only that, but you say he will be in regret of living his life the way he believed. Shame on you. You god lovers are generally the same, so quick to judge others... even though it says not to in your little book. It's sickening how right you (believers) think you are and how judgemental you become. How would you like it if I said Pope John Paul was reincarnated as a jackass and will be made fun of for all of the beliefs he has in his past life? Really, there wouldn't be much difference between the two scenarios would there? |
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Post by John Byerley on May 22, 2011 4:12:22 GMT -5
Not going to get too involved in this one, because its the same ol same ol of course.  But to the last post John - Carlin, as well as people like Bill Maher and MANY others, profit AT LEAST somewhat, off the mockery of billions of people's beliefs, and billions of DEAD people's faiths. Call it realism, or comedy, or whatever, but that is only perception and everyone's is different. If this is what they want to be known for, or what they enjoy/enjoyed, I say to each his own. Calling them out from the "afterlife" either individually or collectively is no different. "He did not mock God, because there is no God." You have as much of a shot proving that, as I do proving to you that there is one, so whats the point of the statement? That statement alone would be considered a character assassination to lots of dead people I know. Why? Because of all the people I know that have lived with the deepest possible rooted faith that there is a God, and tried their best to live accordingly to what they believed was Christ' example. Most who banked their eternal salvation on those same beliefs. If there is no God, then they are fools, deceived by themselves and others. Belittling someone's faith - discounting it - generalizing it - BASICALLY - there is no God and MOST of the Bible/God people are judgemental/sick creatures based on their likewise conduct. I can't speak for all believers. I don't know all believers. And usually the one's you hear the most are the loud annoying ones. That goes for believers and non believers. And the loud one's in general give the worst representation of their respective belief systems. Gain the world's attention by quietly practicing your belief system, and you may have something there. George Carlin is no better or worse than any other dead person who practiced a belief system or lack thereof. No one is off limits, especially someone with such pronounced beliefs, politically and in reference to religion. I AM SURE based on all I have watched of Carlin that he expected that and welcomed that, in life, and expected the same after. If he's not to be talked about, if he's not to have his beliefs/lifestyle/life in general belittled, then most of these threads should be taken down for fear of insulting the billions before him as well, while doing the very same thing. |
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Post by Ryan Thames on May 22, 2011 6:27:51 GMT -5
Nope, you're wrong. He did not mock god, because there is no god. He is not returned before god because there is no god. Speaking about making a mockery Mr. Fisher, don't make a mockery of George Carlin or his beliefs. He knew what he believed and was adamant about it, now you strip him down after his death. Who are you to speak about his beliefs and judge him after he's gone? I suppose it's just easier to have the last word when the person you are talking about is dead. Let me clarify right now so we're clear. You are tearing down the belief system of a dead man. You are judging him and saying everything he believed in was wrong and you and your god are right. Not only that, but you say he will be in regret of living his life the way he believed. Shame on you. You god lovers are generally the same, so quick to judge others... even though it says not to in your little book. It's sickening how right you (believers) think you are and how judgemental you become. How would you like it if I said Pope John Paul was reincarnated as a jackass and will be made fun of for all of the beliefs he has in his past life? Really, there wouldn't be much difference between the two scenarios would there? I thought we discussed judgement already John? The bible tells us to make judgement FAR more often than it tells us not to. And the most popular if not only scripture that says do not judge is 90% taken out of context. There is absolutely nothing biblically wrong with what Allen said. He is doing as the word says and judging a tree by it's fruit. Your opinion may be that it's wrong.... But we as Christians do not live by mans opinion, but the word of God. So your opinion simply does not matter. |
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Post by John Milne on May 22, 2011 8:34:11 GMT -5
Mr. Byerly that was an excellent post. I agree with almost everything you've stated. I think we have the same argument just from different sides. There are many similarities in what we've posted if you really look into it.
Mr. Thames, we did not discuss judgement, you told me about your belief on it. I think it's you sitting on your high horse casting stones. I find it amusing actually that you think you have the right to judge someone else and feel morally right to do so.
I don't expect for you to think there is anything wrong with what Mr. Fisher posted, I mean why would you? You're both the type who like to judge based on your belief system. Of course you'd back each other up.
Once again, if my opinion really didn't matter, you wouldn't feel the need to offer a rebuttal now would you? I'm assuming that was just a jab because I know you'll be back on here arguing with someone who "doesn't matter".
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Post by Ryan Thames on May 22, 2011 9:39:12 GMT -5
My "belief" on the subject of judgement is what the bible teaches. If you can show me that the bible teaches differently then I will believe differently.
My morality originates from the teaching of the bible...... So yes I am morally justified and required to make righteous judgement based on the word of God when judging a tree by it's fruit.
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Post by Ryan Thames on May 22, 2011 9:47:42 GMT -5
No we don't have the right to pass judgement on a fellow Christian who struggles with sin because of his sin. As we all do.
But we have a responsibility to rebuke and correct... To keep each other in check and accountable.
We have a responsibility to recognize a Christian and people who aren't.
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Post by Johnny Edwards on May 22, 2011 10:34:57 GMT -5
Just curious Ryan but where does it say in the Bible we are supposed to judge others??? It says you can tell a tree by it's fruit correct?? Most of the stuff I read says we aren't supposed to think we are better than others and judge them. Maybe if you twist some verses out it could be taken to mean we are supposed to judge everyone. You confused me on that one.
Luke 6:37-“Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven;
Romans 2 1-3--Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things. We know that the judgment of God rightly falls on those who practice such things. Do you suppose, O man—you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself—that you will escape the judgment of God?
James 4:11-12---Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor? (that one pretty much sums it up you judge your own actions not others, best you can do is mention your belief to them but it's not our place to judge whats right and wrong for them)
Romans 14 As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind
Matthew 6: 14-15----For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
I Corinthians 13:1-8--If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing. Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; ...
John 3:17--For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
James 3:17--But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, open to reason, full of mercy and good fruits, impartial and sincere.
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Post by enginterzi on May 22, 2011 11:01:49 GMT -5
Johnny,i am not a Christian but i understand what Ryan tries to say.Judging by your own judgement and judging according to word of GOD are not same thing.when you remind the word of GOD it is not your judgement but GOD's judgement.
for example if you mention a verse about who can go to heaven,is that your judgement or GOD's judgement?
for example i believe in Jesus to be sent by GOD but i do not believe that he is god neither believe that he died for my sins.so according to your belief i will go to hell and if you remind me this judgement then it will not make you a judge but a reminder.
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Post by Bill Maenza on May 22, 2011 12:07:10 GMT -5
BTW - I don not believe that we are supposed to judge anyone on religious beliefs. I agree with Engin's point of view (about judgement). God alone will judge. We can judge the actions of man (regarding crimes and laws of man) but not in regards to Gods law. He is the lone judge.
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Post by Johnny Edwards on May 22, 2011 12:15:26 GMT -5
I see what you guys are saying Engin but I can't tell you that you are going to hell or not that is not my place nor my judgement to make. Thats why it's good to not judge people and tell them this and that because God alone is the judge and he will carry out his judgment there is no need for me to try and tell someone they are wrong. I can explain my faith but condemning them will just push them away from my faith, I think thats why God teaches us not to judge.
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Post by Johnny Edwards on May 22, 2011 12:17:26 GMT -5
If I say anyone that doesn't believe Jesus died on the cross for our sins doesn't have a place in God's kingdom that is stating the word, if I say you are going to hell beause you don't believe Jesus died on the cross for your sins that is judging in my opinion. There is a difference in sharing a belief and judging.
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Post by Johnny Edwards on May 22, 2011 12:24:17 GMT -5
I get what you guys are saying though. YOu can judge and action but your not supposed to say that person is condemned just that God condemns the action, correct?? I believe that.
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Post by enginterzi on May 22, 2011 12:46:02 GMT -5
If I say anyone that doesn't believe Jesus died on the cross for our sins doesn't have a place in God's kingdom that is stating the word, if I say you are going to hell beause you don't believe Jesus died on the cross for your sins that is judging in my opinion. There is a difference in sharing a belief and judging. so where will people who doesn't believe Jesus died on the cross for our sins,go according to your belief? |
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