|
|
Post by Johnny Edwards on Jun 9, 2011 0:33:33 GMT -5
Whats you guys opinions on abortion?? What makes me ask the question is I seen a Fetus in a jar the other day, a REAL fetus by the way not a fake on. It was first trimester, and they are DEFINITELY a human not just something that doesn't resemble a human. It looks just like a very very very small human you can hold with your index finger and thumb. But it is definitely a human. Anyone that tries to argue otherwise has never seen a real fetus. Now as far as getting the abortion imo after seeing a real one there is no saying it's not killing a human I don't care what kinda links you can post.
|
|
|
|
Post by Ryan Thames on Jun 9, 2011 5:39:35 GMT -5
It's definitely human. It is a life. The baby has it's own heart beat. And for that to be true it has to have it's own brain.
Psalms 139 says that God created you in the womb.
|
|
|
|
Post by Michael Wells on Jun 9, 2011 5:40:08 GMT -5
Pro life 100%! I'm thinking that the only way to consider it is if the mother is in danger. Even then, that raises up a Faith thing. Either way, Pro life for me.
|
|
|
|
Post by Ryan Thames on Jun 9, 2011 5:40:11 GMT -5
100% of all people who support abortion have been born.
|
|
|
|
Post by Kyle Fitzpatrick on Jun 9, 2011 8:55:30 GMT -5
I'm with you guys. And I also hate the term "pro choice." Really? Its just the liberals playing word games so that they can actually feel empowered by their "choice" to murder their child. But, I've always been on the fence when it comes to pregnancy that results from a forceful rape. A life is still a life, but when it's hatefully placed inside you against your will, I think of it differently. I wouldn't want a woman in my life (girlfriend, sister, mother, etc) keeping a child in those circumstances. That baby is tainted with the same predatory genes. Maybe adoption, but I'm still not sure.
|
|
|
|
Post by Ryan Thames on Jun 9, 2011 9:08:08 GMT -5
Adoption absolutely.
We are all tainted with those genes. We all have the potential to be the worst of creatures. We shouldn't kill someone because they are an innocent result of guilty actions.
|
|
|
|
Post by Ryan Thames on Jun 9, 2011 9:08:34 GMT -5
^ that's good stuff
Toot toot
|
|
|
|
Post by Kyle Fitzpatrick on Jun 9, 2011 9:10:25 GMT -5
Adoption absolutely. We are all tainted with those genes. We all have the potential to be the worst of creatures. We shouldn't kill someone because they are an innocent result of guilty actions. Excellent point. |
|
|
|
Post by Ryan Thames on Jun 9, 2011 12:14:28 GMT -5
Lol
|
|
|
|
Post by Michael Wells on Jun 9, 2011 15:16:47 GMT -5
I think people should have choices. But should also be human enough and allow that child to have their voice too.
On the comment about a raped woman: I know a woman who was raped and kept the child. That child is now in her 20's now and with a beautiful family of her own. I do not care what the situation is, God can flip it to be awesome.
|
|
|
|
Post by Ryan Thames on Jun 9, 2011 17:26:13 GMT -5
Romans 8:28
And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
|
|
|
|
Post by Bill Maenza on Jun 9, 2011 17:28:16 GMT -5
If you are going to quote Reagan - at least give him his props. 100% of all people who support abortion have been born. |
|
|
|
Post by Ryan Thames on Jun 9, 2011 17:29:39 GMT -5
Couldn't remember where I read that lol
|
|
|
|
Post by John Milne on Jun 9, 2011 18:47:40 GMT -5
I'm for it.
|
|
|
|
Post by John Byerley on Jun 9, 2011 21:31:01 GMT -5
( I'm ONLY speaking of abortion that is chosen as a result of "UNPLANNED" pregnancies between consenting adults )
To most people, it is a very ugly situation.
Most people that I have seen in the situation, AT THE VERY LEAST, know what is taking place, and feel AT THE VERY LEAST some amount of remorse for the decisions leading up to the act itself.
Regardless of the level of remorse, MOST people have a pre-determined standard for what to do should the situation happen for them. SOME, feel absolutely ZERO remorse, because they think that a CHILD, is NOTHING, before birth. Its what they've been taught, its how they feel.
People I grew up and around, and kids throughout high school - it wasn't considered a choice. It was considered wrong, murder, and immoral. On a lower level, it was considered irresponsible, foolish, and selfish.
There were several in our close circle of say 100 kids, 17-20 that got "knocked up" - unplanned, from their bfs.
All had their babies, all doing great today, some got married/then divorced, some married and happily married today - but NONE would ever question their child's value, the value of his/her existence.
We all had different parents, different family issues, but most shared a core that caused us for some reason to believe that: if you are going to have sex, unprotected, then its possible you may get pregnant, and if that happens, well, parenthood has come early.
Most of us also had strong support systems, support from families, morally centered households.
But that was my experience - before I settled down, and was still making MUCH less than responsible choices, I had several close calls myself. And I understood, those risks, WAY before I made those decisions.
If I were to have ever gotten someone pregnant, I would have stepped up to that responsibility. I have heard, seen alot of guys over the years who knock a girl up, and then all but demand they get an abortion. For a SO CALLED man to try and force that SO CALLED "Decision" onto a woman, is EVERYTHING BUT a man.
I don't care what your view is on abortion, it is not a PLEASANT experience, it is not A GOOD thing - 99% of the time it is a result of two people being irresponsibly selfish with their bodies, selfish and irresponsible BECAUSE IF they get pregant, they do not have the integrity to be prepared for a child.
But that goes to their parents/family life/upbringing.
The respect for life, was instilled into me growing up. I KNOW many do not have that luxury, and therefore, think that having a child once already pregnant, is a decision.
Well, newsflash, everything in life is a decision, but right and wrong should give us a pre-determined standard for what DECISIONS are compromising, and those that are NOT.
1) I can walk into a bank tomorrow and slip the clerk a note that says "Gimme the money"
So? The day I contemplate that, is the day I lose my mind. I feel the same way about supporting abortion AS A MEANS OF BIRTH CONTROL.
I do not see the logic of deciding a child's worth, on their current size. Abortion is watered down into something that it is not. "Its not a person yet..." "It doesn't feel any pain..." "Can't have a baby if you're not ready..."
The PURE AMOUNT of how many abortions take place on a daily basis, as a result of UNPLANNED PREGNANCIES BETWEEN CONSENTING ADULTS, is DISGUSTING.
If anyone is FOR this, then you are for poor decision making, poor planning, a lack of responsibility for life, sex, for your body, for a woman's body - how can I say that?
Because a man and a woman or a boy and a girl can make 100 wrong decisions, and then get pregnant - and then FREAK OUT because WHOA HOW DID THIS HAPPEN, and then choose abortion as a means of WIPING THE SLATE CLEAN - this way, they don't have to SUFFER THE AWFUL CONSEQUENCE of having a child.
THE TRUTH IS - MOST people shouldn't reproduce. People have arrived at such a low level of morals and standards for their lives, I wish they would take up penguin counting in Antarctica.
THE BREAKDOWN OF THE FAMILY - a family that is a support system for each other, for their wife, for their husband, for their children, for their relatives - a family that believes in something beyond their own problems, troubles, issues - the breakdown of that family - is the breakdown of society, and the beginning of the end, period.
I've been around ALL types of people with ALL types of backgrounds and have been a friend to MANY who needed a friend that did not share my beliefs - but I'll be damned if I ever will confront abortion in my own life, whether a friend, family member, or someone who comes to me for advice, and its happened, and play off abortion as a "choice" or a "way" of "dealing" with an unplanned pregnancy.
OH BUT IT WONT BE A GOOD LIFE FOR THE BABY, we dont have any money, we're not ready, the baby will suffer emotionally because its going to have two jacked up parents who obviously can't make any decent decisions.........
YES, so according to that logic - lets go find all the people in the world who are suffering, the people that WE CANNOT HELP, because there's either not enough money, or man-power to help ALLLL of them - lets round them all up, and drop a bomb on them? Easy enough right? Case closed? I mean they were suffering right?
All children begin in the womb - when things get tough and you have a 4, 3, and 2 yr old - is it ok like so many parents did during the worst parts of the economic collapse to go drown them one by one in the tub? Its about as ok as many of the sick and twisted procedures that are carried out every day in this country.
Abortion as a birth control method, is not any one person's FAULT - its no one person's shame - it is just a consequence of many many failed decisions, amd poor examples over years and possibly generations of an individual and family's existence.
|
|
