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Post by Robert Bishop on Aug 9, 2013 23:05:43 GMT -5
The book is out dated Somebody need to write a new one TK They did, it's called the Book of Mormon. nope lol not even close to being the same it starts off with a goofy cartoon but it gets into the evidence after. I think after the 8min mark it starts |
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Post by Michael Creason on Aug 13, 2013 21:00:15 GMT -5
I believe that the bible was put togther to control people from being so barbaric. It was a form of control. Men have their hands in the bible and man seems to mess up everything they are involved in. The fact that it was put togther and parts taken out that were not desired should speak for itself. Like the American forefathers said christianity is not a thinking mans religion. If you can't follow the word verbatim then you are just applying your own meanings which takes away from the religion itself. Don't worry though if you don't like your religion I'm sure there will be one soon. That said, I do believe in god, I just am not a fan of organized religion. Also what is considered good and evil is personnal to the person applying the words. What was considered righteous in the past we would consider barbaric now. Society changes the concepts of good and evil, I mean god destroys whole galaxies which who knows how much life may be in. So I guess if you are applying terms then God to me would be both good and evil but to God, God is God.
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Post by Robert Bishop on Aug 14, 2013 15:35:16 GMT -5
I believe that the bible was put togther to control people from being so barbaric. It was a form of control. Men have their hands in the bible and man seems to mess up everything they are involved in. The fact that it was put togther and parts taken out that were not desired should speak for itself. Like the American forefathers said christianity is not a thinking mans religion. If you can't follow the word verbatim then you are just applying your own meanings which takes away from the religion itself. Don't worry though if you don't like your religion I'm sure there will be one soon. That said, I do believe in god, I just am not a fan of organized religion. Also what is considered good and evil is personnal to the person applying the words. What was considered righteous in the past we would consider barbaric now. Society changes the concepts of good and evil, I mean god destroys whole galaxies which who knows how much life may be in. So I guess if you are applying terms then God to me would be both good and evil but to God, God is God. like the American forefathers said  where did you come up with that another iteresting vid |
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Post by Michael Creason on Aug 14, 2013 16:59:27 GMT -5
I believe that the bible was put togther to control people from being so barbaric. It was a form of control. Men have their hands in the bible and man seems to mess up everything they are involved in. The fact that it was put togther and parts taken out that were not desired should speak for itself. Like the American forefathers said christianity is not a thinking mans religion. If you can't follow the word verbatim then you are just applying your own meanings which takes away from the religion itself. Don't worry though if you don't like your religion I'm sure there will be one soon. That said, I do believe in god, I just am not a fan of organized religion. Also what is considered good and evil is personnal to the person applying the words. What was considered righteous in the past we would consider barbaric now. Society changes the concepts of good and evil, I mean god destroys whole galaxies which who knows how much life may be in. So I guess if you are applying terms then God to me would be both good and evil but to God, God is God. like the American forefathers said where did you come up with that another iteresting vid I read Thomas Jefferson"I have examined all the known superstitions of the world and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth." "The clergy converted the simple teachings of Jesus into an engine for enslaving mankind and adulturated by artificial constructions into a contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves...these clergy in fact, constitute the real Anti-Christ." Jefferson's word for the Bible? "Dunghill." John Adams"Where do we find a precept in the Bible for Creeds, Confessions, Doctrinesand Oaths, and whole cartloads of other trumpery that we find religion encumbered with in these days?" "The doctrine of the divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity." Adams signed the Treaty of Tripoli. Article 11 states "The Government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion." Thomas Paine"I would not dare to so dishonor my Creator God by attaching His name to that book (the Bible)." "Among the most detesable villains in history, you could not find one worse than Moses. Here is an order, attributed to 'God' to butcher the boys, to massacre the mothers, and to debauch and rape the daughters. I would not dare so dishonor my Creator's name by (attaching) it to this filthy book (the Bible)." "Accustom a people to believe that priests and clergy can forgive sins...and you will have sins in abundance." "The Christian church has set up a religion of pomp and revenue in pretend imitation of a person (Jesus) who lived a life of poverty." James Madison"What influence in fact have Christian ecclesiastical establishments had on civil society? In many instances they have been upholding the thrones of political tyrrany. In no instance have they been seen as the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wished to subvert the public liberty have found in the clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate liberty, does not need the clergy." Madison objected to state-supported chaplains in Congress and to the exemption of churches from taxation. He wrote "Religion and government will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together." |
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Post by Robert Bishop on Aug 18, 2013 16:18:44 GMT -5
i take it you didnt watch the video i posted above lol the evidence is clear at the 31min mark he even mentions Adams one the guys you mention 10:45 mark and after says it all  prayer and bible study to start the day in Congress |
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Post by Michael Creason on Aug 19, 2013 16:59:54 GMT -5
Me watching a video on the forefathers would be equivalant to you watching a video on the bible, I prefer to read it for myself than to take peoples distorted views on it.
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Post by Michael Creason on Aug 19, 2013 17:02:59 GMT -5
I also think it is obvious that you don't take the bible verbatim, right? You apply your meanings to it or the meanings others have supplied for you?
You know punish the grandchildren of offenders and such. And kids go to hell because they were not baptised and taken jesus into their life. Or that hell is even a reality that an all omnipotent being would put a place that you suffer the worst way possible for enternity because of 70 years of life, it just seems pretty clearly wrong. Saddam Hussein wasn't even that cruel yet an all loving god would be, clearly wrong. Sounds like scare tatic.
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Post by Robert Bishop on Aug 19, 2013 21:52:18 GMT -5
Me watching a video on the forefathers would be equivalant to you watching a video on the bible, I prefer to read it for myself than to take peoples distorted views on it. this guy in the video is a expert and the president of this group that does research and he has over a thousand documents from the past as evidence along with everything he found at the library of congress i guess that not good enough for you |
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Post by Robert Bishop on Aug 19, 2013 21:59:55 GMT -5
I also think it is obvious that you don't take the bible verbatim, right? You apply your meanings to it or the meanings others have supplied for you? You know punish the grandchildren of offenders and such. And kids go to hell because they were not baptised and taken jesus into their life. Or that hell is even a reality that an all omnipotent being would put a place that you suffer the worst way possible for enternity because of 70 years of life, it just seems pretty clearly wrong. Saddam Hussein wasn't even that cruel yet an all loving god would be, clearly wrong. Sounds like scare tatic. what are you talking about I dont believe kids go to hell and i dont remember ever saying it i do believe in hell because Jesus himself preached of it if you like books i suggest reading the book A Divine Revelation of Hell by Mary K Baxter heaven------------ or 23 min in hell |
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Post by A L L E N F I S H E R on Aug 19, 2013 22:14:18 GMT -5
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Post by A L L E N F I S H E R on Aug 19, 2013 22:18:46 GMT -5
One of the greatest minsters known to man, Charles Spurgeon on Heaven and Hell
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Post by Michael Creason on Aug 20, 2013 17:12:10 GMT -5
Probably took it too far with the kids going to hell line, it just seems everything I have been preached to over the years of a sinner is a sinner regardless of age. It is just hard for me to grasp the concept let alone the reality of hell. It doesn't make sense in my mind why such a place would be needed at all. I have had mythology classes and the stories from the bible mimic many previous stories told before. It was almost as if they combined religions to get more people on board. The Epic of Gilgamesh and Genesis have a lot of similarities as does jesus with other diety figures. I completely understand that when you are a creationist there is really nothing that could be said to change your view, not as if that is my plan. It just worries me when people believe in the bible word for word and forget that it was meant to be symbolic.
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Post by Robert Bishop on Aug 20, 2013 21:16:30 GMT -5
Probably took it too far with the kids going to hell line, it just seems everything I have been preached to over the years of a sinner is a sinner regardless of age. It is just hard for me to grasp the concept let alone the reality of hell. It doesn't make sense in my mind why such a place would be needed at all. I have had mythology classes and the stories from the bible mimic many previous stories told before. It was almost as if they combined religions to get more people on board. The Epic of Gilgamesh and Genesis have a lot of similarities as does jesus with other diety figures. I completely understand that when you are a creationist there is really nothing that could be said to change your view, not as if that is my plan. It just worries me when people believe in the bible word for word and forget that it was meant to be symbolic. i understand what you are saying just out of curiosity what is your opinion of the epic of Gilgamesh because i have heard the story also the book of Enoch or the book of giants i am just curious and i have no intention of trying to debate them |
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Post by Robert Bishop on Aug 20, 2013 21:25:04 GMT -5
the book of enoch
for me the book of Enoch puts the pieces together between genesis and the epic of gilgamesh
the book of enoch also talks of jesus long before he lived -----at the 56min mark and 1hr mark after
according to the book 200angels came down in the days of Jered and got wives------------jered was the 6th from Adam and the father of Enoch who was grandfather of Noah
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there is endtime prophecy which is close to the same as the book of revelations
these 200 are different from Satan and his angels------1third of the angels of heaven who fell before creation
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Post by Michael Creason on Aug 21, 2013 20:31:21 GMT -5
The Epic of Gilgamesh could very well be taken from genesis which may have been handed down verbally for thousands of years. The sumerians may have tried to adapt it to fit their own culture. When we deal with the past it always seems you can choose which side you want and more than likely argue your stance realitively easily.
The book of enoch I am not to cohersed in I know it was a ancient Jewish work and the New Testament does have references from it other than that I am clueless. Book of giants having to do with the Nephilim (who I have always considered to possibly be ancient aliens) coming down to take our women who they found beautiful. I believe it was found along with the Dead Sea scrolls.
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