your opinion of the bible

[Robert Bishop]

there are some people who believe aliens will show up some day and say they created man

in the bible
it warns of a coming great deception

it warns that if it were possible even the elect would be deceived




when i say aliens
to me it means evil spirit's or evil creations of Satan and his angels



i guess we will see some day

[Robert Bishop]

jesus warned that as it was in the days of Noah so would it be at his return

some believe that Satan wants to corrupt the Dna of man/creation of God ----------create abominations and bring back the nephlim



and others who think the mark of the beast will involve something that changes the dna of those who take it ---------- so they wont be forgiven

[Michael Creason]

I think what it overall comes down to me is do I think humankind should leave this planet or not. IMO the world will be destroyed it is only a matter of time, do we sit around waiting to be saved or try to save ourselves (mankind) by trying to make it off this rock. I have never underestimated what man is capable of doing or creating.

[John Wilson]

Almost every ancient history, whether religious or secular, shares common themes. I think there's a good reason for this: the stuff happened and people knew about it. These histories were passed down until written languages appeared and naturally were incorporated into everyone's history.

Too many secular scholars try to make the case that early religions borrowed these stories from each other, such as the story of Gilgamesh or the The Flood. I contend that these peoples shared a geographical place on Earth and therefore their stories ought to be the same, or at least pretty darn similar. Why wouldn't they?

Enoch is the missing link that bridges the gap between the Creation and the Messiah. Without the book of Enoch, we are left to wonder why God would flood the Earth and wipe out his children for being "bad." The whole story sounds like a silly fairy tale about a childish, vindictive God. The truth if far more complex and Enoch (Noah's grandfather, off the top of my head) gives us the perspective that is missing. God wasn't killing his children, he was saving the handful that was left.

The book of Enoch also ties Creation in Genesis to the need for a Messiah, which is alluded to in Genesis but through very poor translation many of us missed the whole point. Genesis in Hebrew tells of a need for a new Adam. Our English tranlations botch that one pretty good.

The bible is holy, and it is true. However, the 66 books in the Protestant version is not complete. When people say the bible has holes, they are right. There are things in this universe that the bible in its current form doesn't address, or is very light on. But those things are addressed in other books, or expanded upon. Anyone with any firsthand experience in Deliverance Ministry knows this. The bible is the best tool we have and everything in it is true. But it is a grave mistake to think that there are no other truths which are not contained in the present bible.

How many of us are confused about Hannukah? What's with the menorah? Well, that's because if you are a Protestant your bible is missing the book of Maccabbes.

If the book of Enoch wasn't so important, Christ himself and his apostles would not have referenced it.

[Robert Bishop]

great answer john





men would eventually destroy the earth i believe ------- look at the damage fukeshima is starting to do


after Armageddon
Jesus will put a stop to that and will rule 1,000 years until the judgment day

[John Wilson]

Which brings us full circle to Robert's original question.

The bible is not a book. It is a collection of books.

The books that are meant to be literal... I take them literally.

The book thats are allegorical... I take away the intended message as best as I understand.

The books, such as Leviticus, which are historical and legalistic... I take as historic and legalistic with the knowledge that my savior has fulfilled the Law and I am not held to it for salvation.

[John Wilson]

Aug 21, 2013 21:34:23 GMT -5 Robert Bishop said:

men would eventualy destroy the earth i believe ------- look at the damage fukeshima is starting to do


after armageddon
Jesus will put a stop to that and will rule 1,000 years until the judgement day

I agree totally.

I believe there is nothing left but the end times. There aren't any more things that have to happen. When people get depressed because the world is going to Hell in a handbasket, I say "yeah, and that's exactly what the bible says will happen. It has to happen.

Can we delay the end times? That's up to God, as Christ told us only the Father knows the day and the hour. But I for one would just as soon get it over with. There are better days ahead when this madness is all over.

But I'm not a nihilist. I'm not all gloom and doom and "nothing else matters". I still believe it's up to all of us to make the world as good as we can for the sake of all those in it. We have to reach those who can be reached before time is over.

However, we can't just roll over, either. So long as the sun comes up we have to watch over our families and do what it takes to keep them alive and healthy. I don't intend to let the mob hurt my family, or watch them starve to death while I wait to see if this is the end of times. When it happens, we'll know. But until then you have to keep on keepin' on.

[Johnny Edwards]

I pretty much agree with all of your insight John. Very well spoken.

[John Shipes]

yea, agree with John wilson. it's true. John Wilson, Robert Bishop and everyone,all read this.... and so I think that a point an important a key to 3 temple will building up in Jersalem, Israel period 7 years end of world, Son of God will come to a Earth with Wrath for "last days" after goats (people strike or ingore or not obey God) and lambs (people missed rapture and little faith) He'll take all goats to hell then He 'll resign for a thousands years with people little faith. no one know when excautly hour as day for rapture " last Day" Son of God will come theft night and christains raise from dead and live together up to meeting to Him with clouds to 3 heavens after 3 1/2 years they will go with Son of God will come to a Earth for resign a thousands years. God mightly, wow. God might bless you all.

[John Shipes]

well, some people choice God ( Holy Spirit) or Satan (World of spiritism). I pray for them return to God for sorry as apologozie to Son of God for they mistake and forgive their sin then they will be saved before last day rapture. thanks for all you read it and God might bless you all. the frist commandment love my God and Lord with my heart,mind,soul,and strength and the second commandments love my neighbor or each other. with ten commandments. then do to Keeping His Commandments. God bless twices. Love is power of God. it don't matter good or bad people. love enemies Bible said that. an exmaple apostle paul that was saul was bad as murder.
Lord might be with you.
Love Sis.& Bro. in christ

[Ryan Thames]

You guys are awesome

[Chris Kaufman]

Saw this today:

www.biblemaths.com/pag03_pie/

I'm decent at Math, but this is beyond me. lol

Anyone understand this, and is it accurate?

[John Wilson]

someone with a lot of time on their hands, for sure

But there are lots of these things that crop up. The History Channel, which does an awful lot of biblical stories in which they desperately try to find an alternative explanation for scripture, has shown a few documentaries that highlight these kinds of things.

My favorite was about the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. Assyrian or Sumerian astronomers mapped the night sky about as well as anything that's been done, even today. They tracked a comet on their planesphere tablet as it made its arc across the sky.

Researchers were able to take the night sky of today and by correcting for time lapse, came up with exactly the same star map as written on the tablet. So they mapped the comet trajectory to a known impact in Austria (i think) and the dates match. The back plume from the 1 km dia meteor would have rained down fire and brimstone exactly on top of the locations for Sodom and Gomorrah, at exactly the time in history that the bible says it happened. Not bad plot work for a couple of ancient Sumerians with a crude sextant and an hourglass, huh?

Now, what makes this interesting is that the bible predicts this destruction, it doesn't just report it. So the prophesy coincided directly with a meteor that would have had to have been set on its trajectory many millenia before impact in order to hit that exact place at that exact time.

Interesting, no?

I can't find a link to the History Channel vid, but here is one with the cliff notes. The guy narrating is dry, but he hits the high points:

[Jacob Hale]

I concur (as usual) with everything John Wilson said. I would add only one thing. We must remember that as human subjects, we do not have the ability to examine any "thing in itself" but only the thing as it "appears" to us. In other words, we can never escape ourselves and see things objectively. because of that, we bring as much to the table of interpretation as the thing itself brings to us. In this case, the Bible, a thing, is always interpreted. Always. We cannot escape this. So this begs a further question, if the Bible is a collection of books, written in human language, who's interpretation of the Bible most accurately reflects the meaning that God intended it to convey. Are all interpretations valid? certainly not. Just ask the family members of the Jonesville victims. Is it all relative? no way. Who then holds the correct interpretation of the Bible? I believe God gave his Holy spirit to His church to discern the meaning of sacred scripture. That Church is marked by the apostolic authority Given by Christ to Peter and his apostles and has been passed down to us today. That Church consists of those bodies who are full communion with Roman Catholic Church. Anything else is hermeneutical anarchy.

[Robert Bishop]

for sure i believe god knows all things before they happen

and
has made everything in a order to happen at the exact time he intended for it to happen


he knew us all long before he created us

no doubt that something like wormwood was created at the beginning to affect the earth only at its appointed time

god knew everything before he created it
so that everything has a time and a purpose

isaiah 55 ver 8
For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith he lord.

For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts

john 17 ver 24
jeremiah 1 ver 5
john 17 ver 5
ephesians 1 ver 4
2 timothy 1 ver 9
titus 1 ver 2
1 peter 1 ver 20