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Post by brzenk on Nov 1, 2004 22:54:07 GMT -5
Concerning Travis’s post.
Hate may be a little harsh.
I try to keep quite about the politics of the past and present…especially when I don’t feel it can be constructive.
But for the record Chris…I think there may be more truth to Travis’s post than yours.
AAA can say nice things to you, but the fact that they have in the past been very selective on who can and cannot be involved in tournaments or the promotion of events involving them is frustrating and a bit confusing for me.
I understand they are difficult to work with on simple items like footage, when their name isn’t directly associated with or benefit from the outcome. the way I see it, it has always been about them, and they will keep others down if it helps make them seem more dominate.
Engin, I hope the Worlds in Japan is a huge success, as many hope it will be, but I truly hope destructive elements are not brought into the mix just for the sake of feeling the need to be united.
As far as nice things to say…
I notice the AAA may be on the right track running an official Novice Nationals.
This is something they have a lot of experience in, and do well.
Great to hear.
James Battles pretends to be Travis’s father. Boy I hate when people act like parents….
Sounds to me Olin and James are speaking on behalf of some one else.
Karen should speak for herself …come on this forum and settle items or concerns, on the record.
I think many would like to publicly ask questions that effect the direction of the sport and their reasoning for doing things.
I will have to disagree with you Olin.
Travis has no reason to hurt the sport, but has every thing to gain by raising questions and elevating awareness.
You are lacking a little bit of the truth…
JMO.
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Post by Chris Coletti on Nov 1, 2004 23:58:56 GMT -5
Hey John, Did you get my E-mail with the account number? Just Checking. When you say “the AAA has excluded” are you talking about pre Frank Bean taking over? Like what we spoke about in Japan. I just saw where Travis won GNC! If he isn't excluded from an AAA event then who is? If I was the AAA and wanted to exclude someone I would use Travis as my poster child. Dealing with any company can be difficult. When you do what I do you run into it all the time. Example some Corperations make you use a certain color red or a specific font. I know that after discussing you specifically with the Beans you are welcome to come to any tournament dressed like a ballerina for all they care.  They do have rules and uphold them not just for Travis but everyone. This at least has been my experience. What happened before them with the AAA is beyond their control and I think it is unfair to hold them responsible for it. Good luck in Poland! Use my account number!  |
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Post by Travis Bagent on Nov 2, 2004 0:40:31 GMT -5
Dear Mr. C
You quoted John as saying “the AAA has excluded”…. Can you tell me where he said that….
You must have been talking to RJ Molinere.. remember, 2003 Show of Strength…
RJ qualifies 3 weeks before in Orlando.. has dinner with the Karen… then shows up in Atlanta 3 weeks later and can’t pull. .. you’d have seen it first hand if you were not so busy running your million dollar business. Anyway…. RJ was excluded…
AND no one stood up for RJ… not even team Louisianna … punk ass bitches!!!
Now Chris, take a deep breath…. Lower your defense… seriously, take a deep. deep breath… lower your guard… deep breath…. Do it, breath … now listen up,
there are only a few people left who have not come to terms with the truth… the sad part is, you have all seen her mishandlings of the sport… so it is going to take more than “seeing” for you to come to terms that she has damaged the sport and it is time for her to leave.
This is your new mantra…. You don’t know, what you don’t know..
I apologize if I sound like your father, your real daddy is James Battles.
By the way, would you like to come pull in the 143 super match in WV…. 1000 dollar entry fee… Devin Bair, Vern Martel, Simon Berriochoa, Flori Dutra, RJ Molinere, Rick Soliwada and Chris Colletti… come make a name for yourself.. If you can beat just one of these guys you will have achieved more in one day t han you have I your entire armwrestling carreer.. and it will only cost you 1000 dollars to make the attempt.
Furthermore I am willing to give you my personal number, so that you may question me on what game plan you should make for each individual armwrestler. This is a sincere invitaion, please accept my offer
Sincerely
The biggest name and the future of the sport …..
Travis Bagent
And you know it!!!!!!
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Post by enginterzi on Nov 2, 2004 3:29:55 GMT -5
Travis,the way that you are,is pushing the limits of my brain:).why dont you make the match as 154?so i could try to include my self.most of the guys that you have mentioned are 154 guys.if you are certain about 143,then dont forget to include Gokhan.i need you to send him an invitation.he will suprise many of you guys!!!
John,maybe i shouldnt get involved in this matter but i just want us to get into the olympic games as soon as possible.USA has a very important role in the armwrestling world because of being founder of the sport.believe me that problems need to be solved somehow to help our support.people with different opinions can live together even if they dont like eachother as long as there s democracy.its not directly my business but armwrestling world needs unification.and since you are the Americans,then you guys need to solve these problems.if one of the organization's presence is enough to make unification then its ok,but if not,then you cant solve the problems with hate or ignoring eachother.
im sorry and i apoligise everyone that thinks it wasnt my business to talk about the peace.as you all know,im a friend of you all.
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Post by Chris Coletti on Nov 2, 2004 10:01:27 GMT -5
Travis,
I agree with your statement about the mis-quote. I was more summing up what John B was saying rather than a direct quote.
There is a problem, Every time you try and deliver a message you have to go into that (I wish I was Cassius Clay crap) and you ruin it. Case in point I was reading your message and trying to decipher what was true and what was not...then you go into James B is my daddy and you lose credibility along with any chance of delivering your message.
I also feel and am concerned that your priorities are screwed up. Case in point.
I have over 300 trophies in my garage. I stress in my garage. I have one in my home. Only one. The one I keep in view is the Armwrestler of the year award. This is the only one I did not win with my arm but with my heart. This is the award that my peers voted for me saying not only can this guy pull but he is a great person as well.
It would not matter if I beat every guy on your list, With all due respect none of them are better than who I already have beaten. The only thing in my mind that matters at the end of the day is who I am not how I pull.
I feel if you focused on this as well as pulling you would win more people over to agree with you and maybe mend a few bridges.
If you yelled that people who piss you off (Men or Women) would get hit. In front of as many people who were at the GNC you were wrong. That is embarrassing and childish. You don't need to do that or wage war with anyone person or org. You are a good puller! BE A GOOD PULLER!
Either way if I can be a father figure for a minute...lose the Ali bit...It's getting old.
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Post by Travis Bagent on Nov 2, 2004 12:07:02 GMT -5
Dear Mr. C
Not only did you mis-quote John, but also now you are mis quoting me by saying that “ you agree with my statement about mis-quote. I did not think you mis-quoted, I really thought I over looked where JOHN B said that.
AND this is your whole problem… this is the PROBLEM with the few of you that are left.. you think you know everything.. you read into, and twist, and mis-understand everything… it is sick and pathetic and very difficult to communicate with… that is why everyone else stays out of this mess, cause you guys sound crazy!!!!!!!!!
You have a chance to change… stop being such an ANGLER… stop reading into what other people say… stop defending for the sake of defending…
it’s ok … not to understand…
YOU ‘cause all the mis understanding… by reading into things…. Let the world be…
just become a better armwrestler…
Sounds like you have a tremendous winning record. Being that the BIG ARM Supermatches are the most prestigious events in the sport, and you have clearly out grown the competition in your area, we welcome you with open arms. : )
May I recommend…….
you throw all your AAA trophies away… start fresh… it will be a great feeling… a bit painful at first… but your garage will be clean… it will be a great workout… but most importantly, it will be the beginning of freedom from your shackles…
ENGIN – We are UNIFIED.. It is just Mr. C, Olin, Mr. Battles, and 6 alias (or is it 7?) that we are waiting for.
And finally ENGIN- nobody wants to armwrestle you, you are to GOOD… PEOPLE ARE SCARED OF YOU… stay away !!!!!!!!!!!! : )
Sincerely
T BAGENT
ZLOTY TUR - 2004 CHAMPION
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Post by brzenk on Nov 2, 2004 12:34:18 GMT -5
Armwrestler of the Year  ……I guess I have no heart.  I’m going to win me one of those one of these days. ;D |
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Post by Chris Coletti on Nov 2, 2004 12:48:04 GMT -5
Travis,
My advice stands. When is the tournament? If you need my address to send me a flyer e-mail me.
John B If I was you I would call Kurt H! I think Travis just posted using your screen name! ;D
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Post by Olin Lucas on Nov 2, 2004 17:59:25 GMT -5
Concerning Travis’s post. Hate may be a little harsh. I try to keep quite about the politics of the past and present…especially when I don’t feel it can be constructive. But for the record Chris…I think there may be more truth to Travis’s post than yours. AAA can say nice things to you, but the fact that they have in the past been very selective on who can and cannot be involved in tournaments or the promotion of events involving them is frustrating and a bit confusing for me. I understand they are difficult to work with on simple items like footage, when their name isn’t directly associated with or benefit from the outcome. the way I see it, it has always been about them, and they will keep others down if it helps make them seem more dominate. Engin, I hope the Worlds in Japan is a huge success, as many hope it will be, but I truly hope destructive elements are not brought into the mix just for the sake of feeling the need to be united. As far as nice things to say… I notice the AAA may be on the right track running an official Novice Nationals. This is something they have a lot of experience in, and do well. Great to hear. James Battles pretends to be Travis’s father. Boy I hate when people act like parents…. Sounds to me Olin and James are speaking on behalf of some one else. Karen should speak for herself …come on this forum and settle items or concerns, on the record. I think many would like to publicly ask questions that effect the direction of the sport and their reasoning for doing things. I will have to disagree with you Olin. Travis has no reason to hurt the sport, but has every thing to gain by raising questions and elevating awareness. You are lacking a little bit of the truth… JMO. 1) What is this footage that you are talking about? There is no selection in who can participate in their major events except that you be a member of their association. That is just plain professionalism, and I believe that an organization should be well rounded and based upon it's membership. It is sort of like a hunting club with trophy deer on the club's land. If you don't pay the dues, then you don't get selected to participate in the hunt. 2) John unklike Travis I never speak for anyone. I am speaking from my own personal encounters with him, and my teammates. He does nothing but insult people constantly. You are on the west coast, and I am on the east coast and go to plenty of tournaments where he is at. I really don't know if Travis even likes you. One minute he'll be kissing your ass, and then the next he writes on this forum that he hates you. As far as I am concerned Mrs. Karen is doing the right thing by not coming on this board and arguing with these endless topics. I think that would be quite unprofessional. I hardly talk to her and I am simply voicing my feelings regarding Travis. 3) John you say that Travis has no reason to hurt the sport, and I agree with you that he may not. He never thinks aboub his actions long enough for it to sink in and realize that his actions could possibly have out sport removed from a huge venue. Maybe that is what he tried to do, and even failed at that. The only thing that has been elevated in the armwrestling community is blood pressure not awareness. 4) How I am lacking truth is news to me. I have been at all the tournaments in which I brought up the way he has acted. Where were you at? Utah? Exactly. John I do not have a problem with you in the world, and next time I see you I am sure that I will be able to carry on friendly conversation without anyof this b.s. 5) If it is just your opinion that I am lacking truth doesn't that contradict your opinion?  |
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Post by simon on Nov 2, 2004 18:00:54 GMT -5
Chris, since you brought up things that you think are getting old lets address the main point here; this constant almost theological support of the AAA despite the obvious realities that are plainly evident to most people, that is really getting old.
I have said this before and I will say it again, I truly wish the AAA was this ethereal professional armwrestling organization that was only interested taking the armwrestling community to the gates of armwrestling Valhalla, as a few people would have us believe, but alas they are not, they are merely a small privately held corporation formed some 4 years ago that has excelled previously in promoting amateur armwrestling events, further they are a company that through the pressures of competition and the downside of poor business allegiances is currently struggling to maintain a possible place of prominence at the world level through the use of questionable propaganda and control techniques. So this “how dare you question their intentions or actions” rhetoric by some people has really got to stop.
Chris you are an intelligent business owner and you and I have had this conversation on several occasions and we both know that there are significant areas of concern here. The worse lie ever told is the one you continue to tell yourself. I am not asking anyone to turn against them, I am not asking anyone to cease to be their friend, cease to work with them or not support their events, all I am simply suggesting is that people really need to think for themselves and be honest with themselves about the state of this sport and the players in it.
If you want progress for this sport, then questions need to be asked and those that want to see this sport improve will pony up and answer them.
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Post by Olin Lucas on Nov 2, 2004 18:09:14 GMT -5
Dear Mr. C You must have been talking to RJ Molinere.. remember, 2003 Show of Strength… RJ qualifies 3 weeks before in Orlando.. has dinner with the Karen… then shows up in Atlanta 3 weeks later and can’t pull. .. you’d have seen it first hand if you were not so busy running your million dollar business. Anyway…. RJ was excluded… AND no one stood up for RJ… not even team Louisianna … punk ass pregnant doges!!! HAHAHAHAHA THAT IS A FREAKIN JOKE!!!!!!!!!! It's plain and simple numb nuts, because he didn't turn his paper work in. You know what is funny? You say that noone stood up for him not even Team Louisiana? Where were you at Mr. Hero? If it were such a big deal and R.J. was your buddy like you are trying to incenuate why didn't you say something??? Thats what I thought. Don't try to act like we never suppored R.J. You always focus on negative crap and try to turn it on us (Team Louisiana)..........maybe because we have one of the strongest teams in the USA. I dunno??? How were we supposed to stand up for R.J. when I didn't get to pull at the Arnold when I didn't turn my paper work in? Did you forget about that? Keep running your mouth, and for every "Travis Bagent statistic" or "Travis Bagent I heard this that and the other" I will continue to prove you wrong time and time again brother. Good luck in Poland, tell Alexey and all the others hello for me. I'm sure you will have a warm welcome. ;D |
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Post by Chris Coletti on Nov 2, 2004 18:22:54 GMT -5
Simon,
As you know anyone can win any debate or discussion when allowed to leave specifics at the door and make things up as they go.
I am asking one question before going any furthur.
Give me specifics.
Simon: "the downside of poor business allegiances is currently struggling to maintain a possible place of prominence at the world level through the use of questionable propaganda and control techniques."
Now before you come back with the kind of double speak Travs hit me with earlier. (I misquoted the misquote...la la la fog fog fog)
I Don't want to hear "Oh I heard from my cousins cousin cousin." I want you to give me something concrete that you have first hand dealt with.
My ears are open....
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Post by simon on Nov 2, 2004 18:46:34 GMT -5
OK remember you asked for it, right after this meeting I have to go to I will give you specifics about instances where the AAA has engaged in questionable propaganda tactics and poor business allegiances, that are causing them suffer from a less than optimal position in this sport, nothing more, for the sake of not beating this horse again I will give you just a few, will that suffice?
Oh and one contingency, if you cannot counter my exact comments with specific substantiated details of your own, then you will have to admit here on this forum that there are areas of concern and maybe you need to reconsider you position on this subject, fair enough?
Realistically it does not do me or anyone any good to present you with details when you demand them if you are going to just dismiss these facts without being able to disprove them.
Agree and I will respond ASAP.
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Post by Chris Coletti on Nov 2, 2004 19:08:34 GMT -5
I also want the "control techniques." Anyone can make poor business alliances. I have suffered through many.
There is a problem I already admit that but I would like to find out where it is coming from.
Your demands are agreed upon. I want specifice that have happened to you and the steps taken to rectify them with Karen.
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Post by simon on Nov 2, 2004 19:11:52 GMT -5
Fair enough. Solving them with Karen, now that is funny ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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