Travis again?

[Chris Coletti]

Hey your mis-quoting me...I said rectify

[Travis Bagent]

Lucas,

As you recall I showed up late to the GNC.. ‘cause that’s how I roll… I had to make my usual grand entrance.. and I was not punished for being late… nor were the other half dozen people who rolled in late.

When I showed up… it was brought to my immediate attention that Ms. Bean was setting up the tournament so that Craig had a chance (being that RJ had consistently whooped Craig’s ass… and yours…. And all of team louisianna) of winning.

I then went up to the table and began to question Ms. (has) BEEN about the situation…

I said “Karen, what’s up with RJ” she began her usual tirade of defensive nonsense.

I did not drop the situation… I questioned her about her choice of “setting” up the tournament several times over the next 24 hours. She just became angry…

Now why did she become angry? Are you the only person who doesn’t know?

I am a bit concerned about you Mr. Lucas…. I would bet that you are fewer than 5 posts away from getting kicked of the Louisianna team… You’ll be like a dog without a home..

I will be more than willing to rent you a room in Charlestown and you can become one of my diciples…. Two months later, you’ll be beating Jerry…

I am not sure if you will ever beat Craig…. Sorry, not even I am that good of a teacher…

Like I said to Mr. C.. The truth is right in front of you OLIN…. Everyone else can see it…. But seeing is not enough for some people…. So my advice to you is to ACCEPT the fact that,

You don’t know, what you don’t know..


Sincerely

The most knowledgeable ARMWRESTLER in the sport

Travis BAGENT

[Olin Lucas]

TBagent said:

Lucas,

When I showed up… it was brought to my immediate attention that Ms. Bean was setting up the tournament so that Craig had a chance (being that RJ had consistently whooped Craig’s ass… and yours…. And all of team louisianna) of winning. I did not drop the situation… I questioned her about her choice of “setting” up the tournament several times over the next 24 hours. She just became angry… I will be more than willing to rent you a room in Charlestown and you can become one of my diciples…. Two months later, you’ll be beating Jerry…

I am not sure if you will ever beat Craig…. Sorry, not even I am that good of a teacher…

There are no exceptions for the rules Travis. Get that through your thick head. I didn't pull at the Arnold, Michael Todd didn't get to pull at the SOS one time because he couldn't make weight. These are all rules and guidelines that any professional organization should follow. If they didn't, then we would never have any idea of who would show up at a tournament.

For your information R.J. has only beat me twice in tournament competition. If I think about them hard enought I could tell you which ones they were.

I already train with the best. To train with you would be a step down in the sport of armwrestling.

As far as I am concerned I have made some points really clear and some obvisouly are under your cult of armwrestling leadership. In my heart I feel that I am more than correct, so I have nothing else to say about this subject.

Train Hard

[simon]

Sorry Chris you know me this got to be very long. I will finish in the morning.

[Matt Girdner]

I'm getting a head-ache!!
synopsis of the postings ;
Travis doesn't like Olin , Olin doesn't like Travis !
lets move on !! Please !!

[Chris Coletti]

C'mon Simon!!!


You said ASAP

It can't take that long to post things THAT HAPPENED FIRST HAND TO YOU.

If I was to hammer someone as much as you have I would figure I could rifle off a couple quick. The way you attack it should be at the tip of your tongue...or keyboard

[James]

Hey Coletti, I'm shocked you paused your Tai Bo tape just long enough to get a new board picture taken. ;D

[simon]

Come on Chris you seriously underestimate how much I can type on a subject, it is not the typing it that takes a long time it is the editing it down to as small a post as possible that takes the time.

[simon]

Let us start with questionable propaganda and control techniques:

Charlie Brown:
After Karen allegedly cleaned up the AAA message board she claimed that she knew whom everyone posting on that board was, there fore they were not anonymous, she further claimed she would make sure they behaved, yet she allowed Heather McSherry to masquerade as Charlie Brown and pretend to be an additionally supporter of the AAA’s positions, (questionable propaganda), from this alias Heather was also allowed to abuse those that did not agree with the positions of the AAA. Harold Ryden who thought himself friends with Heather McSherry was abused by Heather (as CB) unprovoked for no reason at all, call him and ask him if you like. (just a side note I know that is not a happening to me) Myself and many people were victimized by the abuse of CB and further led to believe that there was in fact an additional real person in support of the AAA behind CB, rather than a duplicate voice of a known AAA supporter that set out to do the AAA's bidding, this type of behavior is akin to voting for the president twice once as a yourself and again as an alias. Karen has yet to atone for her part in this proven deception.

Unification:
In Ottawa 2003 Karen approached me directly to tell me how she had facilitated unification, after we stopped talking I went to my bag got some paper and wrote down the things she said, so that I could confirm them from others present in the congress meeting.

Karen first made a rather self important statement to the effect that they have all of these men with their egos in the way so they cannot get anything done, so it took a woman (“herself”) to get us unification.

She further stated that she had made a proposal for unification that had been approved by the Roy WAF, signed by her, and now just needed to be signed by the Das WAF members; from what I was told by others in attendance she ran around telling this same story to many people at the event.

The truth was that the proposal that Karen presented was never voted on due to very unacceptable content, there was another proposal drafted that was in fact voted on and passed by the Roy WAF, then signed by Karen. The Roy WAF knew full well that Karen did not have the authority to negotiate on behalf of the Das WAF, hence why the newly crafted unification agreement was properly and quickly denounced by Das. Now, (I say building my case for the later part of this posting), the Das WAF could have ratified the unification agreement or returned it with proposed changes, but they did not, further proof of how questionable the intent of that WAF group is.

Karen claimed to me directly that the US unification for one US National team was taken care of again due to her proposal.

The truth was that Karen knew full well that the single US National team agreement was null and void the moment the WAF refused to allow two representatives from each country in the congress, as required in the contingency stipulation in the US agreement. Yet she continued to play it off as though she was shocked that there was no agreement in place, she further pretended as though the USA group was reneging on the agreement and allowed and or coerced (speculation) the anonymous AAA message board posters and others to attack the USA group for something she knew was not true. I personally not only explained the details of the agreement to Karen (not as though she did not really know or understand) but I took the opportunity to ask her many questions pertaining to her less than forthright comments and positions on these matters, she refused to respond.

Also in Ottawa I straightforward told Karen that I thought all of this Olympic acceptance and alleged advice from the IOC was nonsense, to which she replied “yeah but it helps make these guys willing to go along with the unification” This has always struck a nerve with me considering one of the first things that gave me cause for concern with her group was the claim on the AAA web page that they took over as the executive directors of the AAA and that upon the IOC’s suggestion that the AAA become the American Armsport Association, when in reality it is more likely the fact that Bob O’Leary owns the corporation the American Armwrestling Association, so in order for Karen to take this business from him she had to come up with another name for her incorporation, she simply started a new business with the same acronym, and some how arranged with O’Leary to take legal ownership of his clientele. There is nothing wrong with this but trying to make us believe that there was a magical passing of the guard with any involvement of the IOC is pretty silly.


In the above section I followed your extremely strict guidelines for making my point all pursuant to items I was directly involved in, now your obligation is to PROVE the above items are incorrect. Before you spend any time trying to do so think about your own dealings with her, what you have heard about her from others and speculate for a moment about the contents of the dozens upon dozens of first hand accounts I have from people that have been wronged by the AAA or witnessed wrong doings by the AAA, all of these people have sworn me to secrecy as they are afraid to incur the wrath of Karen. I have no reason to lie to you, I have nothing to gain from this except maybe a better awareness of the reality of this sport we all love.
As a side note from RJ’s very own mouth to me, Karen claimed he could not pull the SOS because he did not send in his deposit, RJ called his son at home who readily found the deposit receipt. Let’s assume that maybe Karen made a mistake or maybe RJ did, yet Karen never called him and asked him where his deposit was, no reminder email, in a sport that is reliant upon people willing to spend their money for not much more than the glory of winning that is a pretty poor way to treat someone unless of course you are protecting someone else in the process or trying to punish RJ, do you think Craig would have gotten a reminder if he had not sent his deposit in?

I exceeded 10k so I had to post it in 2 parts.

[simon]

Part 2

To establish the poor business allegiances we will start with the AAA’s continued association with the Das run WAF, if I recall correctly and I know that I do, you Chris Colleti personally cried for the removal of Das after he quashed the unification proposal. In recent years Mr. Das has removed officers of the WAF without a vote and placed individuals of his choosing in the position, (Capla out Marat in ahead of then deserving VP Humberto) at that same time the previously agreed to Worlds in Hungary was changed to Russia, was there a vote there, what happened? Now there appears to be some question over where the $3k is that Das took from his version of Japan for the 2005 worlds, and additionally that the then Das WAF did not vote to accept the bid from Japan, so why did he do that why did he take the money and give the bid to Japan without approval? The list of alleged actions by this man are quite long, but they are mere allegations, compared to the previously mentioned items which we all know.

The last two Das WAF events have been poorly attended, the EAF has committed to attending the worlds put on by the Roy WAF so the Roy WAF is greatly in control of this situation. In short the AAA’s continued association with the Das run WAF and their own business decisions such as refusing to join with the USA democratic umbrella group has left them in a very precarious position based upon several simple facts, most obviously it is tough for the AAA to have a credible Nationals without a credible Worlds to qualify for.

The Roy WAF has repeatedly taken the position that it will not get involved in the domestic issues of countries that have two federations, and further that they will only allow one representative in the congress from each country. Remember all the roads to the AAA being viable post a WAF unification have to go through the USA group unless the WAF changes it’s policy on getting involved in individual countries but why would they do that, they already have a US team in their congress, what would they gain from forcing a US unification, the 6 or so pullers that refuse to pull the Unifieds? Given this position I see several possible scenarios where by the AAA may survive at the world level in a realistic growth potential capacity. If there is a path I am missing please I would love to hear about it.

They join the democratic USA umbrella group and they succumb to one Nationals put on by that group then they begin to attend the Roy WAF.

The USA group allows the AAA to let its first place pullers in each class attend the Roy WAF.

The AAA is a for profit business, so the USA group cannot join them as they are, however the AAA could form its own not for profit democratic group where by the USA group could join them and again the USA group would allow the newly formed AAA group to become the sole group associated with the Roy WAF, of course this means that the Beans could get voted out of office from their positions within said democratic group.

At this point as I said all roads to the AAA’s survival on the world stage go through the USA group, unless the WAF forces the USA group to allow the AAA in as a stipulation of a WAF unification accord, but again why would they do that? For that matter why does the Roy WAF need to unify with the Humberto WAF, if unification fails does it not just make sense that Brazil just leaves that WAF and joins the Roy WAF, what else does that WAF have to offer besides Brazil, I am asking the question in hopes that there is more to this.

So in conclusion the AAA’s business practices and continued alliance with the sinking Das WAF have put them in a pretty difficult spot, I guess they could always continue to have the AAA Nats and attend whatever is left of the Das WAF and hope it can regains some of its size.

The reality is that the AAA is in a bad spot, their WAF is dying, they will need the cooperation of the USA group to continue to exist and their questionable tactics in pursuit of their waning control of this sport has not really endeared them to those outside of the few AAA faithful.

Like this don't like this, but unless you can paint a different viable situation, I cannot see how you could see it any other way.

[Chris Coletti]

Somehow I knew you would not list anything that HAD FIRST HAND HAPPENED TO YOU! But, let’s take a look anyway.
1. Charlie Brown – you say
a. Karen claimed she knew who everyone was. Did she claim this to YOU? Otherwise, it’s hearsay on your part. I know for a fact that she neither claimed that or ever stated it. I know this because back then I was very curious as to the identity of two posters who attacked me and she banned them but even posted that she couldn't figure out who they were.
b. She allowed Heather to masquerade. Did she tell you she knew Heather was Charlie Brown? Otherwise, hearsay again.
c. Harold Ryden’s alleged abuse from Charlie Brown did not happen to you Simon.
d. Did Karen lead you to believe anything regarding Charlie Brown?
All speculation on your part Simon, nothing with first hand experience.

2. Ottawa
a. Karen made the statement to you that “it took a woman (herself) to get us unification”? Funny, she came to Florida State right from Canada not even going home first and told all of us in the room that her biggest fear was that everything is run by men and their egos have gotten in the way of talking to each other and trying to accomplish unification. Not once did she mention anything about a woman had to do it or even brag on herself. She told all of us that she took a proposal to the Roy WAF from the Das WAF. She never said it was her idea or her proposal or anything else about herself doing anything. But, let’s look at this honestly Simon – it did take a woman to get the ball rolling, didn’t it. So even if I’m to believe she said this to you, it would be factual wouldn’t it? I don’t see any other proposals out there between the 2 world federations.
b. You say, “The proposal Karen brought was never voted on due to unacceptable content”. How do you know this? Were you in the meetings so you have first hand knowledge or are you going on hearsay?
c. The Roy WAF knew full well Karen didn’t have the authority to negotiate? I have to keep asking, how do you know this? Were you there? And if they knew this then why did they even meet with her?
Again, speculation on your part unless you tell me you were in the meetings in Canada discussing the proposals and unification.

3. Unification
a. Ok Simon, I did a little research back when all the mumbo jumbo was going on about only having 1 rep in Congress so the agreement between the AAA & USA had to be voided.
b. This is what I found: Go to waf.homestead.com/message.html where you will find the Roy WAF Constitution online. Look under Article 6 Congress and tell me where it says there can be only 1 representative from a country in the Congress meeting. Guess what? It doesn’t say it.
c. Also tell me then why you can go on the USA website and find the minutes of the past Roy WAF Congress meetings and there are multiple representatives listed from the same country attending the meeting. Example: 2002 in Springfield, Il 2 Canada – Terry Palaschak & Keith Koening, 2 Russia – Igor Akhmedshin & Alexander Filimonov, 4 USA – Denise Wattles, Phylis Bown, Bill Cox, Alan Bown, Tony Picchioldi. Last year in Canada correct me if I’m wrong but weren’t Denise Wattles, Leonard Harkless, Dave Devoto, and Bill Cox all in the meeting? That’s 4 from the U.S. So much for only having 1 person from a country in the Roy WAF Congress meeting. So your point of saying the signed agreement between the AAA & USA was nullified because the Roy WAF won’t allow more than 1 rep in the meeting doesn’t hold water, Simon. The minutes of the meeting prove otherwise.
d. How did Karen discuss with you that the USA wasn’t honoring their agreement with AAA? When she was in Florida, she had a copy of the signed agreement. It wasn’t until after Florida State that Denise put it out on the message board so what gives here?
e. You say Karen pretended she was shocked that the USA reneged on their agreement? Well guess what Simon, they did renege.
f. Alleged advice from the IOC was nonsense? Simon the letter is on the USA website. Go to: www.armwrestling.com/Olympic.html It says there has to be one world body for the sport of armwrestling or we’re never going to be recognized.
4. Bob O’Leary
a. Simon you are speculating again.
b. Whatever transpired between O’Leary and the Beans is their business not yours or mine. There is absolutely no reason to speculate and then try to issue that as fact.
c. Again, not first hand experience either.
5. “In the above section I followed your extremely strict guidelines for making my point all pursuant to items I was directly involved in, now your obligation is to PROVE the above items are incorrect.”
a. The only item that you can even attempt to claim direct involvement is your conversation with Karen in Ottawa.
b. Everything else is nothing but speculation and hearsay.
Show me where you have listed your first hand dealings with AAA using
a. questionable propaganda
b. control techniques

Your side note is not your own first hand experience but let’s look at it. RJ said he called his son and his son found the deposit receipt. Geez Simon this subject has been the topic of conversation for a year now. RJ has said he sent Karen a check. A check Simon so how would his son find a receipt? And if he found the receipt why didn’t he fax it right then so his father could compete? Do I think Craig would have gotten a reminder? Who knows or who cares? Craig isn’t the point here. Why do you even bring him up? Apparently Olin didn’t get one when he couldn’t pull the Arnold for the same reason.
It’s a poor way to treat someone by not reminding them to send in their money? You’re kidding me. Since when is Karen held responsible for RJ’s or anyone else being irresponsible? Give me a break.

I think I’ve found the problem here. You refuse to believe what is right in front of you. You use nothing more than propaganda to try to get your point across. For whatever the reason you have a problem with AAA and Karen Bean. Funny, not Frank Bean because you never mention him. I don’t know what your problem is but you need to figure it out. You have had not one single dealing with Karen where she has used questionable propaganda or control techniques on you. You try to prove she does by using your own speculations. I don’t believe you have dozen and dozens or even 1 dozen first hand accounts from people who have been wronged by the AAA (Frank & Karen Bean) or anyone that has witnessed Frank & Karen’s wrong doings. You are sworn to secrecy because these witnesses are afraid of Karen’s wrath? What wrath? Who has this so-called wrath been put on? Name one person! Geez man if anyone was to see wrath it would be Travis Bagent but has Karen exhibited any toward him? Let me tell you this – I screwed up pretty bad a couple of years ago. Did I see Karen’s wrath? No, she was nothing but courteous and professional with me and to me. And don’t try to say she was nice to me because we were friends because we were only acquaintances. Sorry Simon, but I don’t buy your story about these supposed emails. If, and I mean if you have these emails then produce them. Otherwise it’s nothing but hearsay and nothing factual.

Your second post once again is nothing more than your opinions and that’s not what I asked for or what you agreed to furnish.

Put down the Thesaurus and try again

I have Soccer coaching tonight so I will be out of the saddle until 8 ish.

Meet you here

[Olin Lucas]

Simon said:

As a side note from RJ’s very own mouth to me, Karen claimed he could not pull the SOS because he did not send in his deposit, RJ called his son at home who readily found the deposit receipt. Let’s assume that maybe Karen made a mistake or maybe RJ did, yet Karen never called him and asked him where his deposit was, no reminder email, in a sport that is reliant upon people willing to spend their money for not much more than the glory of winning that is a pretty poor way to treat someone unless of course you are protecting someone else in the process or trying to punish RJ, do you think Craig would have gotten a reminder if he had not sent his deposit in?

Simon,

Again this is what you "heard" I don't have a problem with R.J. at all, but your information is incorrect. R.J. not only didn't have his deposit in, but he didn't have his paper work in either. Mrs. Karen gave him the benefit of the doubt and said that if you have a cancelled check or some other form of receipt, then she would let him pull. Mrs. Karen never called me about my paper work for the Arnold a couple of years ago when I didn't turn mine in. I didn't get it turned in in time, and the spot was given to someone else. That really upset me, but she never reversed the situation in my favor, and I am one of her so called "favorites", "pets", "pawns". HAHAHA Yeah right maybe that proved to be wrong all itself. Craig almost forgot his turn about a year ago with a big tournament. His wife is the one who had to remind him, and he ended up having to have his paper work sent in overnight priority. Why should R.J. have needed a reminder about the tournament when it was only 3 weeks away? If you remember correctly us Louisiana boys are Mrs. Karen's favorite, so I doubt she was out to screw him. When I found out that I wasn't going to be able to compete at the Arnold all I did was blame Mrs. Karen because I didn't get my paper work. She said she sent it to me, and I thought she was just trying to screw me out of my position. I ended up finding it about 2 months later mixed up in my parents mail. It was my fault, and I'm admitting to it. I also made a formal apology to Mrs. Karen at nationals the next year in front of everyone in the room.

[Olin Lucas]

Oh by the way Simon,

Unless R.J. has a son that I don't know about, then his son was with them the entire time at the SOS.

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[simon]

I will do this one quick first, RJ's daughter’s boyfriend was with him at that event, his son was at home as I was told.

I do recall that story about you and your paperwork now that you mention it, I really think it is tragic that it was allowed to happen to anyone, why would you not want top pullers to be at an event like that? Very odd. Fortunately I got a reminder about my 2005 Arnold paperwork when the deadline was running near.

[CHRISTIAN BINNIE]

YOU GUYS ARE PISSING IN THE WIND!!!!!!


I will saythis, the spongebob thing was funny!