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Post by guy on Nov 20, 2004 22:23:31 GMT -5
Ill Put my Money on John if he went to 198..
John is still the best ever no matter what happened in Poland or what will happen in the future. These guy's have great genetics , then you add illegal supplemants to these long frames and they become freaks on the table
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Post by enginterzi on Nov 21, 2004 7:39:28 GMT -5
i totally agree about John.John is armwrestling against the guys who are much heavier than himself.its same like if i armwrestle Taras or Germanus when im 70kg.i cant beat Rustam who s only 20 pound heavier than me.but John is armwrestling and mostly beating the guys who are around 270-300 pounds.John can beat Alexy even if Alexy would be 30 pounds heavier than him,but 60 pounds of weight diffence is too much.
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Post by Christopher Myers on Nov 21, 2004 9:33:34 GMT -5
Guy,
I normaly bust your chops about saying who does and doesn't take illegal suppliments , But here I am going to have to agree with you 150 %. for three reasons
1. Most of them are not trying to even hide it
2. Mesamorphs maybe , but ectomorphs can not gain that much lean muscle mass in the short period of time that these guys blow up
3. The reletively short period of time that these superstars stay at the top 2-5 years then they burn out and dissapear after their liver or conective tissues just cant take anymore ( guys like Brzynk, Bath , Bowling , Dean , Rosenclans , Fischer , Cobra , Darling , to name only a few... last 20 years or more )
Christopher Myers
just my opinion no more or less important than anybody else's
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Post by Christopher Myers on Nov 21, 2004 9:42:16 GMT -5
Engin,
I also agree with you 100% that John can give up a lot of weight he beat Cleve Dean weighing 400+ pounds ,but Alexey is very lean and athletic giving up sixty pounds of lean muscle to a guy who does know how to armwrestle is too much. John said in Poland that even in his prime he did not think he could beat Alexy. I do not agree. Not to insult John's current abilty, but he does not train, travel and pull with the intensity of ten years ago. plus lets face biological facts the natural testosterone level of a man at 25-30 and a man at 40 is 40-60 % less that is a big diference in reaching your strength goals. I do beleive that in John Prime he would have had enough Hand or hook to beat Alexy
that is just my opinion I do beleive it is based on logic and not a romaticised opinion of John's legend
Just my opinion no more or less important than anybody elses
Christopher Myers
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Post by guy on Nov 21, 2004 10:15:56 GMT -5
Thanks Chris You did damper my spirits on strength levels though as i turn 50 at next years Arkansas Nationals. The 14th is my birthday. I dont plan just yet on giving up hopes of winning an Open ( non Masters which I won) Championship. In fact I plan on winning it this year   On John B I too think he is the greatest ever, but at the same time my thoughts were watching alexy that day, that no one before him at anytime could have beaten him.. Just my opinion and just a feeling I got from watching the film. right or wrong only my opinion. |
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Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Nov 21, 2004 10:40:32 GMT -5
Chris, Mike Bowling has been around for only a few years.  |
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Post by Charlie Minell on Nov 21, 2004 12:31:33 GMT -5
I do beleive that in John Prime he would have had enough Hand or hook to beat Alexy I totally agree with you, Chris! |
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Post by guy on Nov 21, 2004 14:16:52 GMT -5
Yes Christian true on Mike, But we get the point. He could have thrown yours truly in that mix
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Post by Olin Lucas on Nov 22, 2004 10:20:48 GMT -5
Give me 6 months and I will pull Babayev for $10,000 I just have to make sure that all of my doctors visits will be covered by my insurance. I know they will want to monitor cholesterol, triglycerides, and do bi-monthly liver tests along with blood pressure evaluations as well. ;D
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Post by Bad Draw Rhodes on Nov 22, 2004 10:27:09 GMT -5
Give me 6 months and I will pull Babayev for $10,000 I just have to make sure that all of my doctors visits will be covered by my insurance. I know they will want to monitor cholesterol, triglycerides, and do bi-monthly liver tests along with blood pressure evaluations as well. ;D ;D ;D ;D TEE-HEE ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Nov 22, 2004 11:14:53 GMT -5
Good one Olin!
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Post by enginterzi on Nov 22, 2004 12:37:25 GMT -5
and it will be enough to beat him?ok Olin,i will call Mazurenko and set a match between you and Babaev for six months later.10 grands?please promise me now Olin or just say you were joking.
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Post by enginterzi on Nov 22, 2004 12:48:11 GMT -5
there is one thing that i must point about Babaev.he is not denying about juice but believe me he is more than that.most of the guys at Zloty was on something but there wasnt anybody close to him.it takes more than steroid use to beat him.he is too much right now.how many guys have beaten Chad like that?and im sure Chad was ready for that event.i would armwrestle Chad,but i wouldnt say that i can beat him.Rustam would do the exact thing to me as he did to Gashevski and Chad on that day.so Olin,i really hope you were joking about 10 grand match with Babaev.maybe you are so rich to not to care about 10 grand:)but it would also make you look terrible.
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Post by Yuval Bar on Nov 22, 2004 16:52:18 GMT -5
I have a good friend who is a power lifter, he weight 105kg he can do 245kg chest press.he is a professor in steroids he knows all about them.he say with the right COBINATION u can add to your power about 40 to 50 percent from your top.he without juice press at is best 160kg and it take him 7 years of hard working .after use of steroids for 2 mounts he do 210kg and got to 245kg he is the best in Israel for is weight.
so how a man with no juice can beat a man that is using .maybe let say j.b can beat most of the best competitors but he is in this sport for 20 years and most of the Europeans competitors are 3-4 years.so they become very strong very fast.
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Post by Olin Lucas on Nov 22, 2004 17:11:47 GMT -5
and it will be enough to beat him?ok Olin,i will call Mazurenko and set a match between you and Babaev for six months later.10 grands?please promise me now Olin or just say you were joking. Yes I am joking. I calculated the cost, and it would be tremendous. Not to mention the harm it would cause my body even under medical attention. In several years he will be found only in a health clinic on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays getting dialysis. ;D You are right about him being on more than just steroids. HGH does wonders these days.  |
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