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Post by Charlie Minell on Dec 6, 2004 4:45:35 GMT -5
The beast is Rustam Babayev! I'm surprised that anybody still doubt that.
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Post by enginterzi on Dec 6, 2004 5:35:42 GMT -5
Vephkia didnt stop training but Cvetan Gashevski just got better than him.you are talking about first years of Gashevski.in Bulgaria Gashevski is the one of the first international armwrestler to represant his country.but in Georgia they have been armwrestling for more years before 94-95.and they had many top armwrestlers to had a great competetion.level of armwrestling in team Georgia has always been at the top level.so its not realistic to take Gashevski's novice years to compare Vephkia.since that time to year 2000 Vephkia never stop competing internationaly with his full teammates.Cvetan became so powerful after 98.what he has done in the sport is much more than many other.my personal opinion is that europeans is harder than worlds.because many of powerful europeans can not go to other continants to pull in the worlds,but they all come to europeans.Gashevski has won 9 europeans with same arm!
about genetics we must not be so sure about.yes Rustam's wrist looks like my sister's wrist but have you ever felt his hand?you wouldnt believe it!!!just a crushing hand with a powerhouse back.when i first met him it was with left arm.i underestimated him and started without back pressure and i felt his incredible hook pressure.i had to lift my elbow up for a restart then beat him after applying an incredible back pressure.now he is older heavier and stronger.yes Sharon may have chance to beat him because his start is very good too,it comes from his forearm strentgh.but i still believe that Babaev has better chance.
there s nothing to talk about forever n ever,he is proving himself everyday and against the best ones from all over the world.i know who im talking about,but do you all know who you are talking about?do you have any experience against this machine?i felt him when he was 20 years old and with only 70kg,now he 23 and 80kg.
as i wrote before,i have been pulling over 12 years all over the world.he wasnt the first juicy man i ever pulled.its not all about juice,he prepared himself for one and strong side move that hard to stop.his fingers are like steel.he directly goes to the pad because he is not like other guys who hook with a forward move first.because he has faith in his hand that will surely curl your forearm.so even if his opponent hooks him Babaev gets his shoulder behind his hand and generaly he gets stopped only one or two inches from the pad.believe me that i have been analysing him and i have plans to beat him but i need to be much more stronger.i have no idea how i can make this improvement with my self without using anything juicy.im not 20 years old to get stronger daily.he is the current world,european and zloty champion.ones that think to beat him needs to run after him.he already has proved that he is the best of today without doubt.
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Post by enginterzi on Dec 6, 2004 5:45:22 GMT -5
im sure that if the Tournament of the Century offers enough money to bring the best europeans in Vegas,then Cobra Rhodes can have chance to fulfill his words against Babaev.right Cobra?
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Post by Andy 'wiSë™' Barker on Dec 6, 2004 5:53:00 GMT -5
So am I the only guy to pin Babaev lately then?  We pulled first match in Durban and I pinned him easily with the right arm... Twice infact!  |
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Post by Andy 'wiSë™' Barker on Dec 6, 2004 6:22:55 GMT -5
... It's a shame I hit on the R of Ready-GO! ;D
On a fair hit, he crushed me LOL!
He is the man for sure!
Engin is right tho - not much of a wrist, but hand power feels solid- and the hit is straight for the pad... if Sharon's backpressure is back to what I believe it was, Mr.Remez has a real chance!
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Post by enginterzi on Dec 6, 2004 11:17:58 GMT -5
thanks Andy,it gives me more clue about how he feels lately.not much of wrist:)that is good news!
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Post by Jim Wagner on Dec 6, 2004 12:10:36 GMT -5
go get him Engin!Someone can do it, it sounds like you!
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Post by Steve Kirlew on Dec 6, 2004 15:17:05 GMT -5
Cvetan and Rustam will again meet on december 18. in Bulgaria for best 78kg in the world.i was invited but Dursun will go instead of me.i have never been flashed in my category in my entire armwrestling life and i believe it would happen if i armwrestle Babaev with 70kg body weight.so i better wait for my time.there will be 8 strong armwrestlers in Bulgaria,Shamil Karajaev will be there too.Matt,when do u think Cvetan will beat Babaev?if you are thinking that there is a possibility that to happen on 18.,then maybe we can have a small betting?i pay 10 dollars for your each dollar.deal? Haha Engin! I was at Zloty Tur and there is no chance in hell that Cvetan will beat Babayev. Babayev pinned him in a second without any problems at all! I believe that Babayev is on steroids but how do we know that he isn't just genitically guifted? Did people susspect John Brzenk was on steroids when he was the best in the world at 18 years old??? I'm not suggesting he was or is but is it not possible that the likes of Babayev and Vovoeda are genetical freaks? |
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Post by Charlie Minell on Dec 6, 2004 16:18:03 GMT -5
I've been thinking the same thing, Steve, and I think that there are too many genetical freaks out there that are being accused to be on something.
I guess that one difference is that those clean genetical freaks doesn't gain 20-30 pounds in a short time.
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Post by guy on Dec 6, 2004 16:59:56 GMT -5
Genetic freaks yes, genetic freaks on drugs Forget about it.
Can make a good puller very good and a great puller off the charts.
Look at Voevoda standing next to Ivankin in the 2003 zlotty picture at about 240 and look at him now.
Genetic freak off the charts
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Post by Joe Bacca on Dec 6, 2004 17:22:17 GMT -5
Look guys... just wait til gene doping enters the scene, then you'll see "stength, speed & MADNESS>  ... & no way to detect it either... LOL When we die we all end up with the same strength...  Christian Bin., where are u, I don't hear ya speaking...  |
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Post by Bad Draw Rhodes on Dec 6, 2004 18:05:34 GMT -5
im sure that if the Tournament of the Century offers enough money to bring the best europeans in Vegas,then Cobra Rhodes can have chance to fulfill his words against Babaev.right Cobra? I will be ready brother |
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Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Dec 6, 2004 19:18:49 GMT -5
Harry: What should I be speaking about?
I know nothing of Babayev, Gashevski or these other guys. I believe what Engin is saying, because he has pulled most, if no all the pullers mentioned. PLUS he is a true student of the sport, and Historian!
If you are talking about anabolics, I think its silly to accuse people. John and others have been accused over the years and so will many more.
The only problem with testing in Japan is: What if certain pullers being accused can't make it to Japan for whatever reason, like can't afford it, can't get time off of work, or they have visa problems ( like Engin said about pullers only able to make the Europeans and not the Worlds , because of that very same reason )? So do we then say, "See he didn't make it to Japan, because he would have failed the drug test". AND SOME PEOPLE WILL GET ON HERE AND DO JUST THAT!
People are accusing this kid, Babayev of being " on", because he has gotten so go so fast. Well so have others, Ivakin, Pushkar, Klemenko, Voevoda. Oh yeah their from Eastern Bloc countries, so they must be " on ". Like Ivakin said in his interview on Igors site, paraphrasing now, " I armwrestle thats my job, I get paid for it". Something to that affect. I'm sure if we, from Western Countries, had the opprotunity to armwrestle for a job, have schools to go to, and had REAL coaches, I think we would have our own Ivakins, Babayevs, and Voevodas.
UNTIL THESE GUYS FAIL A TEST, THEN WE SHOULD HOLD OFF ON THE ACCUSING, NO MATTER HOW BIG AND STRONG THEY ARE GETTING SO FAST..
Didn't Voevoda get tested in South Africa? Lets wait to see what the results are....BUT THEN CERTAIN PEOPLE WILL THEN COME ON HERE AND SAY HE CHEATED ON THE TEST, OR HE WANT OFF IN TIME, OR HE TOOK A MASKING
AGENT...BLAH..BLAH..BLAH
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Post by Joe Bacca on Dec 6, 2004 20:25:34 GMT -5
All I can say is this... look at the lastest news on baseball players doing drugs... & Olympic runners, come on guys, it's in every sport... As far as accusing, I guess one can say that the loser may need an excuse & there is no better excuse than to accuse the winner of drugs...  |
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Post by enginterzi on Dec 7, 2004 6:58:48 GMT -5
no Christian,Leonard wrote that there was no testing in S.Africa but they will start in Japan.about steroids,even those names dont deny about using them.as i wrote before,as long as we dont have testing for the best athletes at their training sessions then we can not catch nothing.there are drugs that can leave the body in two weeks or a week or 4 days.how will you detect them?if i start using a drug that will my body in two months then quit using it 2 months before the test,then use something that will leave in a month and quit again a month before the test,then two weeks one then a week one then 4 days one.then a test happens but im so clean!
i have a offer,but i dont believe that can be possible till we wont have any money problem.including myself,WAF can do some steroid testing to the top armwrestlers anytime during the year without letting them know when.they can do it to myself,to Babaev,to Taras,toGermanus,to Voevoda,to Cvetan,Tscakilov,and a few more from north America.anytime in the year!!then all the answers will be given.
Steve,Babaev is on steroids and he didnt deny when i asked him.i believe that he has great genetics because even his brother and sister are doing great in the sport.he was 65kg(143pound)in 2001 europeans in lithuania,and he was 78kg(171 pound)pure muscle in
2003 europeans in germany.i have gained this amount of weight in over 10 years but with a so much fat belly.for another example,a Russian puller,Maximov was 65kg(143)in 2000 worlds,then he was 165pound in next worlds in 2001,then he was 187 at the next worlds in 2002 Springfields.he was nothing but pure muscle even after gaining 44 pounds in only two years.
John was great when he was 18 and he is even greater at his 40.John wasnt the only man of strentgh,he was and still is the best armwrestler.he had a great hand control.Babaev is not like that,he is pure explosive power.so all eastern block people genetically better than rest of the world?they just have won more than 50% of gold medals in the last worlds.
Cobra,you are an artist of armwrestling.i so much enjoy watching you at the table.you are the greatest toproller in the history and i really hope that you will prove this once again to certain ppl who dont know you.Babaev's fingers are damn strong but a great hand control will stop him.in fact,Sharon and yourself are the only ones that have chance for an outside move against him.
Christian,please my friend,dont tell me that Alexy is curling over 200kg with his biceps by eating hamburger.Alexy semerenko was 80 kg in 2001 and pulled 110kg in 2003 europeans.from 176pound to 242 without any real fat.what is that 66 pound?ok forget it.they all are clean.the drug testing will not prove nothing!!when we have test at training sessions this will show the truth!
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We pulled first match in Durban and I pinned him easily with the right arm...
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