Evolution Vs. Creation

[Ryan Thames]

For one there is absolutley no proof that evolution did happen.
The idea of it was simply created to dissprove God's existance. Darwin who wrote the book "Origin of Species" ,wich is still taught in schools, on his death bed admited he was wrong about his theory. If you look toward the bible for the answer to this question He created everything that was created within the seven-day period in Genesis. The methods of there "dating" the fossils are inconsistant. They date the fossils by the level of rock they lay under and they date the rock by the fossils they find in it that is circular reasoning and it doesnt hold water. www.drdino.com is a very educational website on the history of evolution and the truth of the Word of God.
Also "The Collapse of Evolution" by Scott M.Huse is a book with details.

Do you know the picture of the monkey turned to neanderthal and to man ?? here is something to know next time you look at that picture.

LUCY (the monkey)

Nearly all experts agree Lucy was just a 3 foot tall chimpanzee

HEILDELBERG MAN

Built from a jaw bone that was conceded by many to be quite human.

NEBRASKA MAN

Scientifically built up from one tooth, later found to be the tooth of an extinct pig.

PILTDOWN MAN

The jawbone turned out to belong to a modern ape.

PEKING MAN

Supposedly 500,000 years old, but all evidence has disappeared.

NEANDERTHAL MAN

At the International Congress of Zoology (1958) Dr.A.J.E. Cave said his examination showed that this famous skeleton found in France over 50 years ago is that of an old man who suffered from arthritia.

NEW GUINEA MAN

Dates way back to 1970. This species has been found in the region just north of Australia.

CRO-MAGNON MAN

One of the earliest and best established fossils is at least equal in physique and brain capacity to modern man ..... so what's the difference??

MODERN MAN

This geniou thinks we came from a monkey.

Romans 1:22

"Professing themselves to be wise they became fools."


Also if you are a christian and believe that evolution and creation co-exist. read up on the gap theory that will explain were you might get that idea from. The gap theory is a theory created for the church to be more receptive to the teachings of evolution.

[Gary Roberts]

If someone believes in creation then they believe that adam and eve were the first...is this correct?

I am not sure on the exact details so correct me if I am wrong ryan.

If this is true then how do people who believe in creationism account for black people, asian people, Indian, white, ect....

People have evolved over history relating to wheather and climate...

Colder regions tend to be lighter skinned people and hotter regions darker skinned. That shows evolving of some kind so how does creationism account for that.

It has been proven that animals can evolve. (specifically birds for example)

I can not remember the specifics but back in school I remember a certain species of bird being taken to an island off the coast of Africa where the beak of the bird changed over time to fit the food source (hard shells of some kind)

If this is all true then how do you account for creation?

I am not set in any certain ways in my beliefs so don't be looking for a big debate with me...I am just more interested in knowing about the argument behind creation because I don't really know. So you seem to be pretty passionate on the subject. Just fill me in.

Gary

[Ryan Thames]

Yes adam and eve were the first

To answer the different race question

Genesis 11:1. And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
2. And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.
3. And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them throughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.
4. And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.
5. And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
6. And the Lord said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
7. Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
8. So the Lord scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
9. Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the Lord did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the Lord scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

God also created the catepillar to change to a butterfly.
There is a difference between adaptation and evolution. If you armwrestle long enough you will become stronger. but when you have a child he will be as weak as any average baby and grow to be as strong as you were before you started armwrestling the only way he will get stronger is if he armwrestles like his dad.

Im not much on hunting or deer but if im not mistaken the way a deers antlers grow is by rubbing a tree or fighting other bucks. This is not evolution this is adaptation the way God designed it and created it.

The theory of "evolution" makes no sense. the basis of it says that if i am a race or species that doesnt have a thumb. Then i can sit and stare and focus on a stick and say to myself i want to pick up that stick, i would have to do this all my life then teach my son to want to pick up the stick and stare at it all his life and our children would continually do this untill millions of years later we grow a thumb. that is dumb. in my opinoin. according to the timeline of the bible man has only been here for @6000 years and that the earth was only here about the same.


Ryan

[gambit]

I know this doesn't have much ado about anything, but the deer's antlers grow due to gender, genetics and size based on age. Once at the prime stage when the blood flow is slowed to the antlers (which are bone) an itching sensation arises within the antlers. Therefor, the buck rubs the tree for comfort and to shed the "velvet" to actually shape the tines for future battles with their rivals.

Bucks fight other bucks to reign supreme in order to mate with the receptive doe. A heirarchy is formed by it. This is a seasonal thing for them, and us humans go through all the time, just a bit more civilized. Well, some of us anyways.
This is general information about it. There is a far more advanced explaination than what I gave, but you get the idea.

Anyways...

[Ryan Thames]

I was close.

[T Coates]

What's the old saying ??never believe everything you read. I guess the bible thumpers never heard that one. What a scam..when someone dies, its god works in mysteries ways. When someone escapes death, it wasn't their time. How convenient.

[Ryan Thames]

Thank you for your ingenouis and yet out of place input.

Im gonna make a confession im sure you guys dont know yet. I believe everything in the bible. I wouldnt believe it if life didnt prove it.

Im not one of those types to give a feel good reason why someone dies or escapes death. But the bible does say all things work together for the good of those who love god. good things happen and bad things happen God has a perfect will but becuase we want things our way it dont always go that way. but the things that god didnt want to happen still work for the good of those who love him and who are called according to his purpose.

[Tony Carpenter]

yet the bible also says that God gives us a life to live. It also says that God will not directly interfere with our life, that would violate free will. Also the bible states that God is a loving God, unlike the vengful gods of Pagans so to me believing in the whole Gods will for someone to die is BS.

Also to me, believing in the bible word for word is the best idea for someone of our time. The Word of God was put forth thru the bible, but let's not forget that men wrote down the book (and in a variety of versions I might add) and men are falable. Faith in God is the overall importance and whether we believe in creation, evolution, or a mix should be done with an open mind and heart.

Remember one last thing. the bible was originally wrote for a simple minded person. Just remember how old the bible REALLY is. Do you think people of that time could even comprehend half the information we know about the world around us. So terms like the apple and Adam and Eve needed to be concocted for people that couldn't understand a greater concept.

P.S. Ryan you may want to research (if you haven't already of course) the figurativeness and metaphors of the Bible. And also no affense, but I don't debate with people if they are not open minded like myself so don't bother debating with me if you don't plan on anything I write to be true (some info will be true some won't, none can be all right).

[Ryan Thames]

I dont believe it is gods will for someone to die. He created us immortal the we fell in sin and chose to die.

And through his grace and mercy he gave us a choice again to give us eternal life.

First of all the bible was written in the original laguages, and then they were tranlated and then different versions came about. I know the differences between the different versions well some atleast.
I am aware of the difference between the NKJV and the KJV the KJV was published in 1611 and the english they used is old and if spoke it today there would things that just dont make sense. One example that shows the diffence between the two besides the thee and thous is that when the old kjames version talks about the holy spirit it refers to him as "itself" Where the new king james version identifies the holy spirit as god and then refers to him as "Himself"

I used to be open minded to evolution i was taught evolution in school i believed i had to be open minded that it wasnt true i had to question the possibility.

I am very open-minded but if something goes against or attacks the word of God or God himself then i have to cut it off.

The reason i have a strong fight against evolution is becuase it is more dangerous and offensive to God than it seems. It totally contradicts the word of God

Evolution says there was no adam and eve no garden of eden no original sin therefore declare there is no need for a savoir to have a relationship with God. Evolution is far more a religoin that Christianity. and you cant mix the both. Go study the "GAP-THEORY" and its origins. www.drdino.com It will show you that the chruch was always against the teaching of evolution but that someone slipped up with idea of the gap theory to make church goers more acceptable to the teachings of evolution. The GAP-THEORY is a false theory proven wrong by the bible and it is the reason Christians might believe in the possibility.

I am very open-minded. I have a very teachable spirit but when the bible is clear i cant bend on it. When the bible isnt clear we have to ask what is the will of the father. Not out opinoins thoughts and theories. All our opinoins must line up with the word its bogus.

[enginterzi]

all of Jesus' teachings were in Hebrew not in Greek.but what you hold now has Greek origin.

[Ryan Thames]

The original languages were hebrew, greek and aramaic.

If im not mistaken Jesus spoke Aramaic id have to look that up to be certain. Whether or not other writtings were in other languages or what i dont know. Im sure there were.

Some say the teachings of Jesus were heard by different cultures so they had to have interpereters. And some say that the spirit of God may have translated for them each hearing their own language.

thats purdy interesting.

[Tony Carpenter]

plain and simple, what i'm trying to say Ryan is the bible was not writen to be taken out of context. It's their to help people make leaps of faith and Yess to state some fact and guidelines. How we interpret the bible is up to us.

[Ryan Thames]

you are correct.

When we interperet we must look at it for what it says not what we think it might say or what we want it to say.

We should never take it out of context.

[simon]

Ryan I do not wish to debate you on your religious beliefs you seem very passionate about your position and we could not really have this discussion intelligently on this message board but I would like to discuss with you a bit your claims about evolution.

Evolution is the change in the genetic composition of a population during successive generations, as a result of natural selection acting on the genetic variation among individuals. Evolution is decent with change, it has nothing to do with your desire for a thumb but it has to do with the elemental effects of the creature’s environment and applied needs to its offspring as a necessity of survival. If food, shelter and mates are abundantly, readily available, in an existence without predatory forces, there is no need for significant strides in positive evolution.

There is an experiment where by you can take several pairs of freshwater only breeding gold fish that will die in salt water and systematically evolve their subsequent generations into salt water only goldfish that will die in fresh water. This is done by slowly exposing them and each successive sets of their offspring to increasing amounts of sea salt in their water, along the way several of the gold fish will die once they reach their threshold for tolerating the increased salt in the water, thus ensuring that only the goldfish with the highest tolerance for the salt will breed, (natural selection). I have seen this experiment done successfully it does take several years. This is the practical application of the reality of generational evolution of a species out of necessity for survival from an applied application of environmental pressures.

Have humans gotten taller and larger or shorter and smaller over the last 100 years? On average taller and larger of course, now why is that? Is it because of the significantly improved health of generations of parents stemming from better medical, greater abundance of readily available resources and a significant reduction of hazardous environmental pressures/predators which has allowed parents to sire healthier and improved versions of offspring that will in turn breed with other improved offspring that will again procreate further creating improved offspring on average, or is there a supernatural power that is just deciding to make humans successively bigger on average?

[Tony Carpenter]

the best example of evolution is bacteria and virus'. Always changing to suit its ability to feed. The flu virus that affects many people changes genetically, yearly.