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Post by Ryan Thames on Dec 12, 2004 9:04:36 GMT -5
I have no hate in my heart in this matter. Im telling you what i believe. According to my belief Muhhamad is a false prophet influenced by satan. For me to think that is not hate. It is acknowledging it for what it is. Im sorry you are decieved by these lies. Just as you feel you are sorry i am deceived by lies. You think it is my sin to believe Jesus is the Son of God. I think that is disrespectful to think of him otherwise. I believe it is sin for you to say he didnt. He died on a cross for our sins and your whole belief system spits in his face for that, should i not take that offensive?  but i dont. Becuase i have love in this. Why do you call Jesus, Jesus Christ? Christ is not his last name. If Quran calls him Christ then it acknowledges he is THE ANOINTED ONE. |
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Post by enginterzi on Dec 12, 2004 9:13:59 GMT -5
there are many anointed ones in bible.to me you are deceived by devil to believe in inconsistants.the truth is that you to believe in him in the way that you do is disrespectfulness.that is what you think and this s what i believe.you dont own him.its another selfishness of you to behave like that.
according to my belief who call prophet Muhammed(peace be upon him)as you called is the devil himself.
Harold,best doesnt mean the most expensive.best can be used for the best fit also with an economical way.
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Post by enginterzi on Dec 12, 2004 9:19:01 GMT -5
i just yesterday proved that you have written lies about Quran and i really thought that with this shame you would never have face to continue after all you lies.i have showed you tens of inconsistants and you couldnt answer with something that makes sense.you just write you believe because you wanna believe.i will start listing a few more hundreds of inconsistants if you dont quit behaving sick.
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Post by Harold "Rattlesnake" Ryden on Dec 12, 2004 10:24:04 GMT -5
Engin,
there is no doubt in my mind that you may have found things wrong in the book( I am sure there are some explanations or maybe things should have been read further into before calling it inconsistant). Maybe you do have a list of things wrong with the bible that I believe and base my entire being in. You seem to be getting upset because we are not dropping everything and going against our scriptures.
I believe 100% that this book is the truth. I have not read any, or even seen a Quran so I have no say so on this book of yours. That is why I was asking. I am not asking to be disrepectful or to throw anything in your face. I have way to much respect for you Engin, we have had way to many good talks and I consider you a trully good friend of mine. Heck, I would even go fishing with you...(I only fish with the good buddies!!!) I respect your beleifs and would never do anything to sway that. (I ask for the same in return)
Like I said before, I am not on to argue about "religions" I am only worried about peoples "relationships" because that is what is inportant here.
Engin, are you staying here in the states or are you home in Turkey?
Please call me sometime, I would love to talk to you about this as well as a million other things we couldnt get a chance to to talk about in Springfield (armwrestling, maybe moving to San Diego area...etc...etc).
Once again Engin, I think your a terrific guy and I really do respect you as a Muslim and as a good human being. I hope you feel the same towards me.
Your Brother,
Harold Ryden
(760)798-2819 home
(760)224-6917 cell
This phone number is for anyone else who would like to chat sometimes...Thats one of my gifts from the Lord...The Gift of GAB!!! Even though my wife HATES IT!!!and I have caller ID too, so no prank calls!!!!!LOLOLOL
p.s. Scott Cibrowski says hello. He said he was with you, Vale, Woelfel and a few others on your trip to Mexico. He is one of my traing buddies as well as Allen Fisher. You should come train with us sometime, you dont have to worry about a place to stay, I will have that covered for you. Talk to you soon
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Post by Mike West on Dec 12, 2004 12:21:56 GMT -5
No Engin, that is not the only one I will answer, as I said in the post, I'll respond to the others when I have a chance too...been very busy lately. We have to read more than just a verse or two sometimes to get the full understanding of what a scripture is saying. Ryan and myself don't want you to think that we hate you or anyone else that believes the way you do, we have great love and concern for everyone, it comes from the love that Jesus Christ puts in our hearts. All we can and should do is tell others about the love that Jesus has for them and what he did for all of us on the cross, then let the Holy Spirit do the rest, Word of God says that no one can come to the Father unless the Holy Spirit draws them. That is a whole new subject, the trinity, Father, Son, Holy Spirit, for those who question how can God be 3 entities, here's an easy example of how God can be in 3 forms, water (H2O) can be liquid, ice, steam, all 3 different forms, but still H2O. I will continue to respond to your post as I said before, be patient  God Bless, Mike |
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Post by Tony Carpenter on Dec 12, 2004 21:00:44 GMT -5
It seems to me more hate and disruption has come out of this conversation than intended (or atleast arguing). Let us remember is we discuss our faiths to do it civility and with humility. Also remember that we all put faith in one God, no matter he be Allah, or the Trinity in God. Let's remember we are ALL brothers on this earth. I'm sure God would rather see us come together, than turn away from each other while discussing God.
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Post by Christopher Myers on Dec 12, 2004 21:14:52 GMT -5
Harold,
I have said it before and I must say it again. I love the way you express yourself. you made it clear that you respect Engins view and you dont want to change it and you ask respectfully that he doesnt try to change yours. You dont lecture him about definitive right and wrong just your point of view and explanation of your faith.
The bottom line is definitively, none of us... meaning anyone posting on this thread has died NO ONE. So none of us can ever say definitively what the afterlife holds. We need to respect diferent faiths when discussing matters of religion it is tricky business and like the young and apparenty wise Tony Carpenter said we need to respect all our brothers on this planet. I really feel that you do that while maintaining your views and it is admirable..sincerely.
That is not an attack on any other of the posters I am not trying to disrespect Ryan or Mike. I am just saying that I like the way that Harold speaks...nothing more nothing less
Christopher Myers
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Post by Tony Carpenter on Dec 12, 2004 21:19:50 GMT -5
well said Cris. And thanx for the compliment on being wise.
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Post by Christopher Myers on Dec 12, 2004 21:20:38 GMT -5
Engin,
I want to be clear if you still read these posts that I have not read this whole thread and I dont know if you were disrespected anywhere in it and if I am being insensitive to you by complimenting how Harold Writes no offense is intended. I have the utmost respect for any mans faith when he is true to it as I know you are
Christopher Myers
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Post by Christopher Myers on Dec 12, 2004 21:22:57 GMT -5
With that last statement it implies and is meant to, that I respect all even when I disagree with people.
Christopher Myers
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Post by Ryan Thames on Dec 12, 2004 22:57:38 GMT -5
Engin,
I want to apologize if i have offended you in anyway im sure i did. I know i came off disrespectfuly and i truly apologize.
But i want it to be clear I am not apologizing for what i said just how i said and maybe the fact that i said it.
Again i do truly apologize.
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Post by Steve Kirlew on Dec 13, 2004 6:33:04 GMT -5
ok,guys.my last word is that GOD s perfect and his words can not have errors in it. Engin you're exactly right. Ryan you're also partially right when you said those are not errors you have to ask God why they were written that way. I believe the Bible does have erros because of translation and many plain and precious truths have been lost from the Bible because of this and because of evil and corruption. The Lord hasn't left us alone though! He reveals his word to Prophets and Apostles now just as he did in the Meridian of time. We also have a book called The Book of Mormon which is the writings of ancient prophets from the American continent that help us understand the truths of God more plainly. I hope i don't offend anyone with this post. I have seen my beliefs offend many peole but i know they are true! |
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Post by Andy 'wiSë™' Barker on Dec 13, 2004 7:10:33 GMT -5
for those still looking for said prophets, they have some real good tunes out at the moment! ;D www.lostprophets.com |
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Post by Steve Kirlew on Dec 13, 2004 7:33:17 GMT -5
Haha! Good one Andy! ;D
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Post by Harold "Rattlesnake" Ryden on Dec 13, 2004 7:41:24 GMT -5
Chris,
I just want to say thanks for your kind words and that I am not here to judge, criticize or put anyone down. If I have done that to anyone, I trully am sorry. I hold a great amount of respect for you as well Chris, and most of you on here. If I dont, I openly speak my feelings....ANDY BARKER!!!, Here come my true feelings.....
That was funny!!!!!!!! Lost Prophets.....have they been found yet??
Harold
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but i dont. Becuase i have love in this. 
