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Post by enginterzi on Dec 8, 2004 7:21:36 GMT -5
GENESIS16-16
and Abraham was 86 years old when Hagar bare Ishmael to Abraham
GENESIS 17-26
Abraham and his -SON- Ishmael were both circumcised on that same day
GENESIS 21-5
and Abraham was a hundred years old when his son Isaac was born unto him
GENESIS 22-2
and HE (GOD) said,'take now thy son,thine only son Isaac,......
GENESIS 22-16
And said,' by MYSELF have sworn,'saith the LORD,for because thou hast done this thing,and hast not withheld thy son,thine only son,Isaac.
DEUTERONOMY 21-15,16,17
if a man have two wives,one beloved,and another hated,and they have born him children,both the beloved and the hated;and if the firstborn son be hers that was hated:then it shall be,when he maketh his sons to inherit that which he hath,that he may not make the son of the beloved firstborn before the son of the hated,which is indeed the firstborn:but he shall acknowledge the son of the hated for the firstborn,by giving him a double portion of all that he hath:FOR HE IS THE BEGINNING OF HIS STRENGTH;THE RIGHT OF THE FIRSTBORN IS HIS.
Ishmael was 14 years old when Isaac was born,now how is Isaac the one and only son?surely those words were written for Ishmael,but jews ppl has changed the words because Ishmael wasnt a jew.Bible had this kind of inconsistants because ppl wanted to gain wordly benefits by doing this.
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Post by enginterzi on Dec 8, 2004 7:26:22 GMT -5
GENESIS 32-30
and Jacob called the name of place peniel:for i have seen GOD face to face but my life is preserved.
EXODUS33-20
and HE said,'thou canst not see MY face:for there shall no man see ME,and alive.
EXODUS 33-11
and LORD spake unto Moses face to face....
JOHN 1-18
no man hath seen GOD at any time
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Post by enginterzi on Dec 8, 2004 7:33:23 GMT -5
GENESIS
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and HE said,'thy name shall be called no more Jacob but Israel'.
GENESIS (Jacob probably didnt understand at first time)
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and GOD said unto him,'thy name is Jacob:thy name shall not be called any more Jacob,but Israel shall be thy name!.
GENESIS (This part confuses me even more)
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and GOD spake unto Israel in the visions of the night,and said Jacob,Jacob.
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Post by enginterzi on Dec 8, 2004 7:40:42 GMT -5
JOHN 12-47 AND 48
and if any man hear my words and believe not,i judge him not:for i came not to judge the world...
he that rejecteth me,and receiveth not my words,hath ONE that judgeth him.
JOHN 5-22
for the FATHER judgeth no man,but hath committed all judgment unto the son.
JOHN 8-15
ye judge after flesh;i judge no man.
JOHN 8-50
and i seek not mine own glory:there is ONE that seeketh and judgeth.
JOHN 5-31
if i bear witness of myself,my witness is not true.
JOHN 8-14
though i bear record of my self,yet my record is true.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Dec 8, 2004 9:31:49 GMT -5
At the moment i cannot address this i will when all this is over with my sisters funeral. Give me time.
Granted that seems confusing, honestly it is so that i will probably have to call some of my brothers.
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Post by enginterzi on Dec 8, 2004 15:09:34 GMT -5
i really am sorry Ryan,i really didnt know that you lost your sister.im sorry for not paying attention.i hope that GOD will give you all enough strength to handle these hard days.once again im so sorry.
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Post by Tony Carpenter on Dec 8, 2004 21:13:05 GMT -5
that's the unfortunate part about the bible, it was written by so many people and it's been re-translated many times so there are errors
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Post by Ryan Thames on Dec 9, 2004 0:07:28 GMT -5
Those are not errors you have to ask God why they were written that way.
God Promised Abraham and Sarah a son.
Ishmeal is the result of Abraham trying to bring Gods promise to pass. Though ishmeal is the "firstborn" son of Abraham he is not the promised son. The promise was given to sarah and abraham not hagar.
Ishmael was a God fearing man.
Isaac was a God fearing man.
Here is one for you. God created Adam he was the first of man Jesus was the promised sacrifice the promised Son Though God created Adam the Bible refers to Jesus as his Only begotten Son.
Esua and Jacob(Isreal)
Esua was born first and Jacob decieved his father to recieve the blessings but Jacob who is a liar and a deceiver wrestled with God and God blessed him and changed his name to Isreal. And through faith The blessings of god came on Jacob. God called Jacob Isreal when he was in right standing with God and when he was doing things in his own power God called him Jacob.
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Post by enginterzi on Dec 9, 2004 8:38:45 GMT -5
sorry but it doesnt make sense to hear what you think vs the truth.
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Post by enginterzi on Dec 9, 2004 8:40:24 GMT -5
so Tony,does it mean that you also believe that its not the original book?
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Post by enginterzi on Dec 9, 2004 9:04:38 GMT -5
Tony i really wish that all these corruptions were as innocent as you think.
there are also purposely wrong doings too.
GENESIS 17-9,10,14
And GOD said unto Abraham,'thou shalt kept MY covenant therefore,thou,and thy seed after thee in their generations.this is MY covenant,which ye shall keep,between ME and youand thy seed after thee;everyman child among you shall be circumcised.and the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised,that soul shall be cut off from his people;he hath broken MY covenant.
GALATIANS 5-2,3
indeed I,Paul,say to you that if you become circumcised,Christ will profit you nothing.and i testify again to everyman who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
ACTS9-26,27,28
and when Paul was come to Jerusalem,he assayed to join himself to the disciples:but they were all afraid of him,and believed not that he was a disciple.but Barnabas took him,and brought him to the apostles,and he declared unto them how he had seen the lord in the way,and that he had spoken to him,and how he had preached boldly at damascus in the name of Jesus.AND HE WAS WITH THEM COMING IN AND GOING OUT AT JERUSALEM.
GALATIANS 1-17,18,19,20
neither went i up to Jerusalem to them were apostles before me;but i went into arabia,and returned AGAIN unto damascus.
then after three years i went up to jerusalem to see Peter,and abode with him 15 days.but other apostles saw i none,save James the lord's brother.NOW THE THINGS WHICH I WRITE UNTO YOU,BEHOLD,BEFORE GOD,I LIE NOT.
it is so clear to see that after his preach in damascus he came to jerusalem and met the rest of apostles and told them what he has done in damascus.acts is the part of New Testament that tells us the first times after Jesus' departure.he is writing about going to jerusalem after 3 years and seeing only two apostles.i personally never believe his stories were from GOD.in his letters you can read that later on he had arguments with the true disciples who spent all their times by Jesus and listened his teachings.
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Post by enginterzi on Dec 9, 2004 9:45:33 GMT -5
Ryan,the problem is that no matter what you made your mind up to believe these words are from GOD.it cant prove nothing.i dont believe that GOD gave this book to the mankind in this way.yes of course that there are errors.its so clear but if you call the white as black and say that its the faith then you will see more ppl becoming atheist.GOD gave us our minds to make us different than animals ,so we need to use it.to have faith in something that doesnt make sense at all is not faith.im not generalising this as whole Bible but its clear that the parts that men had touched have many inconsistants in it.its not your fault.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Dec 9, 2004 16:23:49 GMT -5
Engin, I enjoy your points i will post on this subject when i get time to i have a debate on audio with one of the prime scholars of islam and a christian Dr. I havent listened to it yet but when i do ill let you know what its about.  Trust me Engin please dont play me down as an Idiot, not saying that you do. Just trust me when i say that the spirit of God through the power of the Blood of Jesus. helps you understand the scripture. It may not make sense to you why things are written the way they are or why things happened the way they did. But it makes perfect sense to me. |
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Post by Andy Souliere on Dec 9, 2004 16:49:39 GMT -5
Ryan I agree with you. I have found in the past that when discussing the bible with others who question, I tell them that I read the bible with love. ???Is usually their expression. What I then tell them is that I don't try to analyze what is in the bible. I don't question what god wanted us to know only that I believe. Just wanted to share. Take care everybody.
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Post by enginterzi on Dec 10, 2004 6:14:35 GMT -5
ok,guys.my last word is that GOD s perfect and his words can not have errors in it.there are bunch of these even about more important subjects but i see that you are not ready to accept truth.so i better save my time for myself.sorry for disturbing.
Ryan,i respect you much more than you think.take care of your great self.
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