Which Came First, Chicken or the Egg?

[josephsirois]

Oh no, Ryan, I wasn't addressing you! Someone dropped my name in the thread and it sounded pretty condesending. Though our opinons vary or may even be opposite, you've never been rude to me.

You know I love ya, even if I am a heathen!

[Steven Lareau]

Sometimes I think to Ryan Thames, we are all heathens.

[Ryan Thames]

Well according to the bible anyone who is not obedient to God is a heathen. ;D

heathen

(Heb. plural goyum). At first the word _goyim_ denoted generally all the nations
of the world (Gen. 18:18; comp. Gal. 3:8). The Jews afterwards became a people
distinguished in a marked manner from the other _goyim_. They were a separate
people (Lev. 20:23; 26:14-45; Deut. 28), and the other nations, the Amorites,
Hittites, etc., were the _goyim_, the heathen, with whom the Jews were
forbidden to be associated in any way (Josh. 23:7; 1 Kings 11:2). The practice
of idolatry was the characteristic of these nations, and hence the word came to
designate idolaters (Ps. 106:47; Jer. 46:28; Lam. 1:3; Isa. 36:18), the wicked
(Ps. 9:5, 15, 17). The corresponding Greek word in the New Testament, _ethne_,
has similar shades of meaning. In Acts 22:21, Gal. 3:14, it denotes the people
of the earth generally; and in Matt. 6:7, an idolater. In modern usage the word
denotes all nations that are strangers to revealed religion.

[josephsirois]

;D Heathen it is then! ;D

[Ryan Thames]

[Steven Lareau]

that's not very encouraging

[Ryan Thames]

Whats not?

[Tony Carpenter]

HEATHENS BEWARE!!!!

[Scott Latella]

What came first The Heathen or The Sin

[Murray Bowles]

I would think that at precisely the moment God gave the Commandments to Moses, the distinction between the chosen people and the heathen would have appeared, the heathen being the people without the Law.

[Steven Lareau]

I remember watching The 10 commandments with Charleton Heston. Good old classic films.

[Murray Bowles]

Oh, and to complete the answer, the first sin was in Eden. So sin came first.

[Ryan Thames]

In genesis 3 God taught adam and eve the law of the sacrifice and that that was the only way to have a relationship with God. and paul said this

BUT.....Sin existed before the heathen becuase Lucifer fell out of heaven before man was created, because of his sin.

Sin is not limited to the breaking of the law. Sin was an archery term which meant that you missed the mark. We were created to worship God in spirit and in (absolute) truth. If we dont fulfill what we were created to do then we are missing the mark. And the only way we can fulfill that as a fallen race is through faith in what Christ did at the cross. The bible says if we do not praise God then he will make the rocks cry out to him.



Romans 3:20. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21. But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22. Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23. For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

[Tony Carpenter]

Sin is an idea, not an object. So obviously it pre-dated man.

[Murray Bowles]

Yeah, but sin is only defined between God and man, so until there is a man (and until God makes his desires known to man), there might be the idea of sin, but not an instance of a sin.