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Post by Ryan Thames on Mar 11, 2005 0:18:21 GMT -5
On October 4, 1997, the Promise Keepers Organization hosted a Sacred Assembly on Independence Mall in Washington, D.C. Promise Keepers invited men of all faiths, including Roman Catholics, Mormons and even Louis Farrakhan's Nation of Islam to attend this ecumenical worship service. It is estimated that 500,000 to one million men were in attendance for prayer, worship, repentance and reconciliation in the great mall which surrounds the Washington Monument. The cherished monument, before which the multitude often knelt, is a 555-ft/169-m obelisk acclaimed as "one of the world's tallest masonry structures and Washington's foremost landmark." Few of the Christian men attending the Sacred Assembly would understand the religious significance of the obelisk, which historically was an object of heathen worship. The history of the Washington Monument, according to the Smithsonian magazine, reveals that the project was from its inception the focus of intense controversy. Although the monument was authorized by Congress in 1833, the cornerstone was not laid until 1848 and the obelisk was not completed until 1884. During this period of fifty years, the project was disrupted by the Civil War and delayed by congressional debates and public protest. The Smithsonian states that the undertaking was eventually financed by a private society rather than the federal government. 1. The National Park Service conducts the National Historic Landmarks Program which provides on the Internet a history of the Washington Monument. On the sidebar of the Home Page, the category "Masonic Stones" yields an interesting page detailing the involvement of the Masonic Order in raising funds for the monument, laying the cornerstone and performing official Masonic ceremonies for the laying of the cornerstone and final dedication of the monument.
There appears to be an active interest in obelisks on the part of the Masonic Order. A book published by the Freemasons titled Obelisks provides detailed information on the Babylonian origins of Masonry and many ancient obelisks around the world. Two of these were removed from Egypt a few years prior to the completion of the Washington Monument -- one was placed in London in 1878 and the other in New York in 1880. 2.
The Smithsonian article alludes to the fact that "monument building runs against America's democratic and puritanical grain" and vilifies the Know-Nothing Party which intensely sought to contravene the building of the Washington Monument. It may be that this opposition was generated by Christian "extremists" who understood the symbolism of the obelisk and the occult character of the secret society which financed its construction. There also seems to have been considerable opposition to a block of marble donated by the Pope. A Catholic predilection for obelisks is documented in Ralph Woodrow's Babylon Mystery Religion, Ancient and Modern, which explains the origin and also the significance of obelisks as follows:
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Post by Ryan Thames on Mar 11, 2005 0:21:46 GMT -5
Babylon Mystery Religion "Among the ancient nations, not only were statues of the gods and goddesses in human form made, other objects with a hidden or mystery meaning such as obelisks, were a part of heathen worship. "Diodorus spoke of an obelisk 130 feet high that was erected by queen Semiramis in Babylon. The Bible mentions an obelisk-type image approximately nine feet in breadth and ninety feet high: 'The people…fell down and worshipped the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar had set up' in Babylon (Dan. 3:1-7) But it was in Egypt (an early stronghold of the mystery religion) that the use of the obelisk was best known. Many of these obelisks are still in Egypt, but some have been removed to other nations -- one is in Central Park in New York, another in London, while others were transported to Rome… "Placing an obelisk at the entrance of a heathen temple was, apparently, not an uncommon practice at the time. One stood at the entrance of the temple of and another in front of the temple of Hathor, the 'abode of Horus' (Tammuz). "Interestingly enough, there is also an obelisk at the entrance of St. Peter's Basilica in Rome… It is not a mere copy of an Egyptian obelisk, it is the very same obelisk that stood in Egypt in ancient times! When the mystery religion came to Rome in pagan days, not only were obelisks made and erected at Rome, but obelisks of Egypt -- at great expense -- were hauled there and erected by the emperors. Caligula, in 37-41 A.D., had the obelisk now at the Vatican brought from Heliopolis, Egypt, to the circus on the Vatican Hill, where now stands St. Peter's. Heliopolis is but the Greek name of Bethshemesh, which was the center of Egyptian sun worship in olden days. In the Old Testament, these obelisks that stood there are mentioned as the 'images of Bethshemesh' (Jer. 43:13)! "The very same obelisk that once stood at the ancient temple which was the center of Egyptian paganism, now stands before the mother church of Romanism! This seems like more than a mere coincidence." 3.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Mar 11, 2005 0:23:11 GMT -5
SYMBOLISM OF the OBELISK
In Babylon Mystery Religion, we are told also the true meaning of the obelisk:
"Originally, the obelisk was associated with sun worship. The ancients, having rejected the knowledge of the true creator, seeing that the sun gave life to plants and to man, looked upon the sun as a god, the great life giver. To them upright objects such as the obelisk also had a sexual significance. Realizing that through sexual union life was produced, the phallus was considered (along with the sun) a symbol of life. These were beliefs represented by the obelisks. "The word 'images' in the Bible is translated from several different Hebrew words. One of these words, 'atzebah,' means 'standing images' or obelisks (I Kings 14:23; 2 Kings 18:4; 23:14; Jer. 43:13; Micah 5:13). Another word is 'hammanim' which means 'sun images,' images dedicated to the sun or obelisks (Isaiah 17:8; 27:9). "In order for the obelisks to carry out their intended symbolism, they were placed upright -- erect. Thus they pointed up -- toward the sun. As a symbol of the phallus, the erect position also had an obvious significance. Bearing this in mind, it is interesting to notice that when divine judgment was pronounced against this false worship, it was said that these images (obelisks) 'shall not stand up,' but would be cast down (Isaiah 27:9)…" 4. Books of Freemasonry, Theosophy and other mystery religions state that it is not intended that the "uninitiated" or lower orders understand occult symbols, but it is important that they ignorantly venerate and even worship them. It is further believed by esotericists that the obelisks and other monoliths hold the sacred mysteries which were known to the ancient religions. Throughout the ages, these mysteries or secret doctrines have been entrusted only to the adepts -- the sages or "elect" -- nevertheless, they will be revealed to the world at the end of the age. How is it possible that the customs of the ancient heathen nations will be revived in the Christian nations of Western Civilization? In 1859, Charles Darwin published The Origin of Species,which evolutionary thesis shattered the Christian faith of many. Bereft of assurances of immortality after so great an assault on Biblical revelation were masses of hopeless people "begging for a revelation which was scientifically demonstrable." Ensuing was a widespread flight from reason and a revival of the occult Traditions that had been discredited during the Enlightenment. James Webb describes the 19th century occult revival as "...a wild return to archaic forms of belief and among the intelligentsia a sinister concentration on superstitions which had been thought buried…" 5.
During this crisis of faith, the esoteric writings of Madame Helena Petrova Blavatsky and especially her two primary channeled works, The Secret Doctrine and Isis Unveiled, revived interest in the ancient Babylonian Mysteries and laid the foundation for the New Age belief system. According to Mme. Blavatsky, all Babylonian mystery religions derived from one source, that is Egypt. Isis is the Egyptian fertility goddess, the Virgin-Mother, nature personified, the female reflection of Osiris and, in Jewish Kabbalistic doctrine, the woman clothed with the sun and with twelve stars. The unveiling of Isis will be the revelation of her mysteries at the end of the age. The Introduction to Isis Unveiled explains Madame Blavatsky's quest for God and the purpose of her book:
"When years ago, we first travelled over the East, exploring the penetralia of its deserted sanctuaries, two saddening and ever-recurring questions oppressed our thoughts: Where, WHO, WHAT is GOD? Who ever saw the IMMORTAL SPIRIT of man, so as to be able to assure himself of man's immortality? It was while most anxious to solve these perplexing problems that we came into contact with certain men, endowed with such mysterious powers and such profound knowledge that we may truly designate them as the sages of the Orient… For the first time we received the assurance that the Oriental philosophy has room for no other faith than an absolute and immovable faith in the omnipotence of man's own immortal self. We were taught that this omnipotence comes from the kinship of man's spirit with the Universal Soul -- God! . . . Our work then, is a plea for the recognition of the Hermetic philosophy, the anciently universal Wisdom-Religion." 6. A Christian can almost hear the serpent's hiss in the garden of Eden when reading this testimony of a woman deceived by Satan. The BIG LIE has not changed: "And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil." (Gen. 3:4,5) The Hermetic books to which Madame Blavatsky alludes are the pantheistic writings of Hermes Trismegistus, the "thrice great Hermes," who is the greatest and most mysterious of the Egyptian gods called Thoth. In his representation as a serpent, Hermes Thoth is the divine creative Wisdom. 7. The following excerpts from Isis Unveiled explain the important function of the obelisks as repositories of the ancient mysteries:
"The keys to the biblical miracles of old, and to the phenomena of modern days; the problems of psychology, physiology, and the many 'missing links' which have so perplexed scientists of late, are all in the hands of secret fraternities. This mystery must be unveiled some day…The answers are there. They may be found on the time worn granite pages of cave-temples, on sphinxes, propylons, and obelisks. They have stood there for untold ages, and neither the rude assault of time, nor the still ruder assault of Christian hands, have succeeded in obliterating their records….And so stand these monuments like mute forgotten sentinels on the threshold of that unseen world, whose gates are thrown open but to a few elect…they will disclose their riddles to none but the legates of those by whom they were entrusted with the MYSTERY. The cold, stony lips of the once vocal Memnon, and of these hardy sphinxes, keep their secrets well. Who will unseal them? Who of our modern, materialistic dwarfs and unbelieving Sadducees will dare to lift the VEIL of Isis?" 8. Those who have dared to lift the veil of Isis have found the sun god at whose pillar they worship to be the "thrice great" serpent, Hermes Trismegistus: "There was a time when Asia, Europe, Africa, and America were covered with the temples sacred to the sun and the dragons. The priests assumed the names of their deities, and thus the tradition of these spread like a network all over the globe… And where is this source? Kircher places the origin of the Ophite and the heliolatrous worship, the shape of conical monuments and the obelisks, with the Egyptian Hermes Trismegistus …'But it is known …that this prince… received… the homages of his subjects under the shape of a serpent.'" 9. The Encyclopedia Of Religion directly identifies the Greek god, Hermes, who was derived from the Egyptian god Hermes Trismegistus, with phallic worship and the obelisk. We also discover in this comprehensive work that Hermes was worshipped in the image of a quadrangular stone pillar: "The phallic symbolism of ancient Greek religion is most extensive. The representation of Hermes offers a prime example…at Cyllene Hermes was worshipped by the name Phales-- derived from Phallos - and in the image of a phallic stone. More usually, however, his phallic image was a herm. Originally a stone heap--perhaps topped by a large upright stone--serving as a landmark in the countryside without roads, the herm developed into a quadrangular stone pillar topped by the head of Hermes and featuring at its front an erect phallus." 10.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Mar 11, 2005 0:30:57 GMT -5
The Masons are probably the most powerful and satanic cult on earth. They control some of the most vital necessaties $$$$ in your possession. Have you ever wondered what all that meant on your dollar bill?They have the power to suck our economy dry and they are doing it and they will do it. it is inevitable. The Mason claim to have been the ones who built Solomons Temple and are going to rebuild it and put someone (the Antichrist) in power. These things will happen. Prepare for an american Holocaust. Regean Began building concentration camps out of old military bases, during his presedential term. Bush says it is a good thing that the european dollar is going to over shadow the american dollar.
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Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Mar 11, 2005 12:37:29 GMT -5
First: You have WAY to much time on your hands.
Second: " Reagan began building concentration camps, ( CONCENTRATION CAMPS? ARE YOU SURE? ) out of old military bases during his presidental term".
AGAIN: know how YOUR GOVERNMENT WORKS!!!! Can you explain how Reagan MIGHT HAVE done this? One more time: KNOW HOW YOUR GOVERNMENT WORKS BEFORE ANSWERING!
Questions? Why and for what purpose? And what wacko website do you get this info from?
GOD, sometimes I do feel for you Ryan. SOMETIMES
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Post by Bill Cheetham on Mar 11, 2005 13:16:35 GMT -5
Ryan,
Please connect the dots for me, I must be missing something in your last post:
Reagan, Concentration camps, Bush, the Euro. the dollar, masons, soloman's temple, the anti-christ?
Thanks,
Bill
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Post by Ryan Thames on Mar 11, 2005 15:01:25 GMT -5
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Post by Ryan Thames on Mar 11, 2005 15:05:58 GMT -5
Here is an interesting topic. The questioned asked on the masonic website was this:
Did the freemasons kill Roman Catholic Pope John Paul I?
There answer was....... No. David A. Yallop wrote In God's Name: An Investigation into the Murder of Pope John Paul I in 1984 {Poetic Productions Ltd. Jonathan Cape], making him the first to promote the theory that the freemasons were responsible for Pope John-Paul's death. Neither he nor any other has provided any proof for this accusation. Mgr. Giulio Nicolini, a prelate in the Roman Curia and the author of the first biography of the "smiling Pope" has declared that Yallop's hypothesis is "absurd and baseless." This is also the opinion of the right wing paper Minute (29 June). For Jean Bourdier, "one would search in vain in this enquiry for the shadow of a proof, even per absurdum."1
This is quite interesing becuase Pope John Paul I. when he was placed in the position found out that so many cardinals and bishops and priests were involved in freemasonry. This Pope Denounced the Masonic lodge and ordered that there be no affiliation between the two.
Masons can recieve up to 33 degrees. Pope John Paul I died on his 33rd day as Pope.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Mar 11, 2005 15:12:31 GMT -5
To be honest this not really a subject im very educated in im only sharing the bit of information as i get it.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Mar 11, 2005 15:19:23 GMT -5
maxpages.com/kingarthurHere is a link with a sound clip. I wouldnt pay too much attention with the rest of the website. They talk about how both king arthur and prince william was an antichrist. it may or may not be accurate i dont know. But the sound clip is accurate. Solomons temple will be rebuilt and it is the goal of the masons to accomplish this. Come to find out in my searchs there are alot of websites that think prince william will be the antichrist, and give biblical reference to it...........who knows.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Mar 11, 2005 15:24:47 GMT -5
First: You have WAY to much time on your hands.....................GOD, sometimes I do feel for you Ryan. SOMETIMES I would like to get married soon ;D
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Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Mar 11, 2005 18:52:28 GMT -5
You need help! And the "help " that you are going to say that you are getting ( i'm sure you'll say from the lord ), is NOT HELPING!
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Post by Ryan Thames on Mar 11, 2005 19:20:38 GMT -5
Whats that supposed to mean........ I got her picked out already. I just have to convince that she likes me ;D......j/k sorta
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Post by Nicole Cisco on Mar 11, 2005 22:02:03 GMT -5
Ryan -- you got her picked out.....
Now Ryan -- she is a woman-- not livestock... You just don't go out and "pick out one..."
That is what a caveman would have done -- "picked out his mate - clubbed her and taken her on back to the cave..." That won't fly - -by friend.
Nic
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Post by C. Hennerichs on Mar 11, 2005 23:06:14 GMT -5
Ryan I used to be in your shoes. Always preaching and condeming ppl. Trust me it doesn't win anyone. If anything it turns them away. I'm not saying to not be a witness or share your convictions. I'm not saying to stop sharing your knowledge. But, maybe the message board isn't the right place to do it. It's offensive and pushy. Ppl don't know where you are coming from on a message board. Maybe these things are meant to be sat down and discussed in person. I've read several of your post on here and armsport.com so what i'm saying to you isn't coming from this single post. You are a part of Team La. and i've never met you, but, already I have formed an opinion about you based on your post. I wish you the best and hope you find that balance that you need.
Chrislyn
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