attention to everyone

[Sureyya Ayce]

as we all know that after 2004 worlds in Brazil the right hand winners of russian team were disqualified because of rejecting the steroid test.

this year two russian federation unified and had a nationals for europeans in bulgaria and worlds in japan.as i have found that some of the disqualified athletes competed and placed at the top in the russian nationals to be part of russian team.

this is a very important problem to face for everyone.did they unify with the other federation because of their disqualification?and why havent they given their urines to be tested if they were clean?will they be allowed to compete in the international events?

i really would like to hear everyone's opinion, also would like to be informed by the official head of WAF.

[Sureyya Ayce]

Men's Right Hand 63kg
Bolotaev Vladimir Russia disqualified


Men's Right Hand 70kg
Zoloev Khadzhimurat Russia disqualified


Men's Right Hand 78kg
Tcherski Maxim Russia disqualified


Men's Right Hand 86kg
Filippov Roman Russia disqualified


Men's Right Hand 95kg
Albegov Igor Russia disqualified


Men's Right Hand 105kg
Kachmazov Slavik Russia disqualified


Men's Right Hand 105+kg
Kodzasov Sergey Russia disqualified



Women's Right Hand 49kg
Baloeva Dzerassa Russia disqualified


Women's Right Hand 54kg
Gabueva Luiza Russia disqualified


Women's Right Hand 60kg
Gladkaya Irina Russia disqualified


Women's Right Hand 67kg
Gavrilova Olga Russia disqualified



we all know that Fred Roy and Willie has been in Brazil to have an agreement about unification.it means that other WAF was recognised by them,because they were dealing with them.if the WAF that disqualified those athletes for rejecting a steroid test,this desicion must be recognised by the other WAF.

[Chris Coletti]

Sureyya,
Do you know if any of them qualified left and if so what classes?

[Sureyya Ayce]

i do know that 63 and 70kg winners of brazil world championship from russia also qualified in this year's russian nationals.the rest im still checking for.

RUSSIAN NATIONALS 2005 -APRIL 22-25
RIGHT HAND
65kg 1.place roman tsindilliani
2.place VLADIMIR BOLATAEV disqualified in brazil

70kg 1.place HADZIMURAT ZOLOEV disqualified in brazil


LEFT HAND

65kg 1.place roman tsindilliani
2.place ?
3.VLADIMIR BOLATAEV

70kg 1.place nikolai grigoriev
2.place HADZIMURAT ZOLOEV

[Sureyya Ayce]

if they performed that doping test in one of the accredited laboratory by WADA(world anti doping agency),the result should be recognised by WAF.otherwise the goal of being an olympic sport will look very unserious.our federation does doping control to Turkish athletes and last year 7 athletes were suspended because of testing positive.the doping control was performed in brazil and brasil has one of the accredited doping laborataries that is recognised by IOC.

i really would like to know that if the doping control was performed by this accredited laboratary which is listed below.



www.wada-ama.org/en/dynamic.ch2?pageCategory_id=160





Accredited Laboratories






Laboratories for Doping Control Analyses

As of January 1, 2004, WADA has assumed responsibility for the accreditation of laboratories for doping control analyses. Below is the list of accredited laboratories.



COUNTRY
CITY
HEAD OF THE LABORATORY
ADDRESS

AUSTRALIA

Sydney
Dr. Rymantas Kazlauskas
Director
Australian Sports Drug Testing Laboratory (ASDTL) - Sydney
National Measurement Institute
1 Suakin Street
AU - Sydney, NSW 2073
Australia
Tel.: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
E-mail: [e-mail]

AUSTRIA

Seibersdorf
Dr. Günter Gmeiner
Director


ARC Seibersdorf Research GmbH Doping Control Laboratory
AT - 2444 Seibersdorf
Austria
Tel.: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
Email: [e-mail]

BELGIUM

Ghent
Prof. Dr. F.T. Delbeke
FAORC
DoCoLab Universiteit Gent-UGent
Technologiepark 30
B-9052 Zwijnaarde
Belgium
Tel.: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
E-mail: [e-mail]

BRAZIL

Rio De Janeiro
Prof. Dr. Francisco
Radler De Aquino Neto
Director


LAB DOP - LADETEC / IQ - UFRJ
Rio de Janeiro Doping Control Laboratory
Centro de Technologia-Bloco A
Sala 607
Ilha do Fundão-Cidade Universitária
RJ - 21949-900 Rio de Janeiro
Brazil
Tel.: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
E-mail: [e-mail]

[Sureyya Ayce]

one more thing,in my country armwrestling is an officially recognised sport by Turkish government.as most of you know that countries had signed an agreement with IOC about doping controls.

our federation is informed about suspended athletes are still competing and qualifying for international events.we are hoping that WAF and EAF will solve this problem according to Olympic comitee rules.otherwise our federation is going to inform IOC about this illegal incident.rejecting a doping test is same as testing positive.in our country we have been double tested before europeans and worlds by an accredited laboratory in ankara.i know that many countries dont have enough financial support and they cant do this test,but we all can stand against doping use to reach our goal which is being an olympic sport.

[simon]

Exceptional point of concern sir.

Three things of note:

The testing in Brazil, though a noble attempt was poorly planned and as I understand it from some present, the ramifications of the test were contained to only losing your placing, and they were not going to be WADA tests.

It was my understanding that the entire Russian national team did not make themselves available for testing, no excuse they should have tested but there is the possibility that some were clean and were simply directed by their leader not to take the test regardless.

Since there is no unification, whatever transpired in the Humberto WAF really has no bearing on the Roy WAF, regardless of the fact that the Russian teams have unified.

It will be interesting to see what comes from the testing at the EAF championships; this could be a serious indicator of what could happen in Japan.

[CHRISTIAN BINNIE]

What Worlds are the Russians going to then? Does anyone know?

[simon]

Endo Japan, the group that all Russians are alleged to have joined under is associated with the Roy WAF, the group that all Russians are alleged to have joined under was the only group authorized by the Russian sports ministry.

Now I would not be shocked if some Russians showed up at the Sato Japan worlds, please don’t ask me to explain, it should not happen but again it would not surprise me if it did.

[STEVE PHIPPS]

It's good to see armwrestling moving in the right direction. Looks like we are growing as a sport in more ways than one. A lot more press during the last year , movement toward regulating drugs, as well as possible progress toward Olympics!

[Willie Reagan]

I for one would be very happy for drug testing. It is no secret that alot of athletes do steroids. Not just in armwrestling, but in every other pro sport. I say, let them do it if they wish. We will not be seeing them in the big international events. And when the IOC testing is out there, we will see some different armwrestlers on top!!

[simon]

I agree that what happened reflects upon the leader of that Russian national team, and they were disqualified from the Brazil event, but again considering there were no further reaching sanctions imposed against them by their WAF for failing to test, there is nothing preventing them from competing in Japan, unless the large Russian group that they joined opts for some internal sanctions for their actions in Brazil.

I doubt we will see any ramifications from that Russian team's actions in Brazil, the mindset being more of, well we are testing in the EAF and the WAF now, if they are dirty now they run of the risk of failing now. Again I will be very interested to see who does or does not show at the EAF’s this year.

I say all of this of course knowing full well that I have yet to see a formal detail of the drug policy the WAF intends to administer at the 2005 WAF championships.

Has the EAF published one?

[simon]

Engin I again agree completely, they should have had far reaching sanctions against those that failed or failed to test. Certainly there may be people at the EAF and WAF event that may have timed their usage to ensure they pass, just because we are just now testing does not eliminate all of the experience people have in beating these tests. As you have indicated this testing is only a step in the right direction, truly, off event testing would be required to try and purge drug use from this sport.

I say it will be interesting because some people will not attend due to their use, if you screw up your timing just a little bit you run the risk of being outed as a user, people need to remember that even if the substance is cleared through your system you can fail if your Testosterone and GH levels exceed accepted levels regardless if there is no trace of an illicit substance in your system, although it is most likely that any failures will be due to the use of typically acceptable supplements that an athlete does not know will cause them issues. This is my real concern with this testing where are the details?

Engin, since your country tests, do you not have a large document that details all of the who, what where and why’s of the testing, including the ramifications of failing and your personal recourse for appealing the findings of the test?

[simon]

My question was about the details of the testing rules in your country, the structure of the tests, the penalties if you test positive, the recourse for the athletes to appeal the finding etc. In short did you government give you a set of rules and regulations for the testing process, or are you just supposed to go out on the Internet look up WADA, hope you get it right and then find out after you fail what options you have?

[Karen Bean]

Simon,

You have stated "Now I would not be shocked if some Russians showed up at the Sato Japan worlds"
Who is Sato?

You have stated "The testing in Brazil, though a noble attempt was poorly planned"
How so?

You have stated "they were disqualified from the Brazil event, but again considering there were no further reaching sanctions imposed against them by their WAF for failing to test"
Where DO you get your information?