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Post by Mark Evans on May 25, 2008 21:39:43 GMT -5
Mike sory to hear about your injury I hope it isn't to severe. USAA rules are to keep pulling until the refs grab your hands while yelling match. I'm not sure why but just guessing its to protect the winner from getting yanked back across the table when they let up.
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Post by Mark Evans on May 26, 2008 12:48:44 GMT -5
Wow! Mike after watching the match you were injuried in the ref clearly forced you into the pad after your movement towards the pin pad was stopped.
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Post by Mike West on May 26, 2008 17:58:56 GMT -5
Mine wasn't the only match it happened in, luckily the only one with injury that I know of.
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Post by Bob Paradis on May 26, 2008 18:03:12 GMT -5
Mine wasn't the only match it happened in, luckily the only one with injury that I know of. It does look like the pushing down part was not necessary. If the ref just put his hand on both of yours without using force, you would likely be OK. How's your arm?
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Post by Mike West on May 26, 2008 20:22:10 GMT -5
Bob, first doc said it's a ruptured bicep, see the surgeon Thursday, guess they'll do CT scan to find out how bad it is.
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Post by James Battles on May 26, 2008 22:28:54 GMT -5
That is bad news Mike. We went to the body in motion exhibit in Cincinatti last week and I got a close look at the bicep tendon. I thought it would be a bit more. I managed to twing a strand or two off mine in the past or possibly it just stretched and popped a little but never anything like that. Is it the bicep or the tendon? Keep us informed as you get it. I guess the technology has come a ways since Ron did his . I had a positive thought in the midst of the sadness. When you get it fixed you will probably develop a dangerous toproll to go with the hook. There goes the neighborhood:) Stay Positive my friend, James
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Post by Keith Michel on May 26, 2008 23:06:06 GMT -5
Mine wasn't the only match it happened in, luckily the only one with injury that I know of. What tournement was this and who was the refs
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Post by Leonard Harkless on May 26, 2008 23:21:40 GMT -5
Tahoe, Jeff A. and myself were the referees.
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Post by Mike West on May 27, 2008 18:19:29 GMT -5
Is there a rule about it Leonard? Or just something that some refs do?
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Post by Christ Russakis on May 27, 2008 22:43:59 GMT -5
sorry to hear about your injury!! hope it is not to bad!! I've been threw that and it is no fun!! good luck at the doctors and I hope It heals quickly for ya!!! see ya, christ
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Post by Leonard Harkless on May 27, 2008 23:21:28 GMT -5
Is there a rule about it Leonard? Or just something that some refs do? We have used that rule and practiced it since 1985. Yours is the first injury that has been associated with us grabbing the hands. In fact I know of dozens of injures prevented from one or other of the armwrestlers not stopping and the only thing preventing what happened to Dwayne Hanel is our holding on to the hands. WAF rules also mandate us as referees to make sure the competitors know that the match is stopped and grabbing the hands is one way of doing so. You have been at many of our events and I and my referees have always stopped the match verbally and by grabbing the hands signifying the end of the match. I am sorry that your injury occurred at the moment that Jeff grabbed the hands. I was surprised that you armwrestled another match right handed after that, well not so surprised now that I think about it. When I broke a vertebrae in my back, I continued to pull 8 more match's after the injury. Anyway my prayers are with an complete recovery.
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Post by Joe Rozbora on May 28, 2008 19:07:17 GMT -5
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Post by Leonard Harkless on May 28, 2008 23:12:08 GMT -5
In that video there is no down side referee and yes the head referee is grabbing the hands to stop the match.
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Post by Mike West on May 29, 2008 18:56:20 GMT -5
What's wrong with tapping them on the shoulder and saying "match" ?
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Post by Leonard Harkless on May 29, 2008 21:37:45 GMT -5
Well what happened to Dwayne is one example. The competitor that stops and his or her opponent does not is risking getting hurt. In fact a misunderstanding happened with John B and Bob Shaffer over when to stop pulling. Grabbing the hands is the best way to control the end of the match and to make sure both armwrestlers know that the match is over. IMO
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