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Post by Mike West on May 23, 2008 20:33:43 GMT -5
I don't know if anyone else noticed or experienced it, but why did/do the refs grab your hands and push you into the pin pad when making a pin call. It's a dangerous thing to do, I wanted to see the video before I mentioned anything, and it confirmed what I thought I remembered about my match Sunday with Eric, I should know next Thursday if I'll need surgery to repair my ruptured bicep. I had noticed several matches Saturday where the ref did this, and some looked a little premature before the pin, I can see touching a guy on the shoulder/side to call the pin, but when you grab the hands and pull him into the pad, it's like your suddenly pulling 2 guys at once, and can cause injuries
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Post by Bob Paradis on May 23, 2008 20:50:55 GMT -5
It's to prevent injury to the loser, from the winner pumping and smashing the loser to the pad after a legit pin has already been called. That's one reason I have heard.
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Post by Pete & Tim on May 23, 2008 21:29:50 GMT -5
I've noticed sometimes red's do it and the guy hasn't even been pinned yet.
Stupid rule and unfortunately Mike West might have to suffer because of it.
Hope the news is good from the Doc, Mike.
Good Luck
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Post by Jacob Abbott on May 23, 2008 21:55:07 GMT -5
As a ref, it is good to grab the hands after the pin so they stop pulling & you have control on any jerking after the match. It is not good to grab the hands before the pin because it is not a pin yet, I have noticed this in the past also & I think the refs are jumping the gun a bit or they think it is over. If they grab the hands & put them into the pad there is no question on the match.
Hope your arm gets better fast Mike
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Post by Gary Roberts on May 23, 2008 22:27:00 GMT -5
MIKE, WHICH CLIP IS THAT AND WHAT TIME CODE.
I hope you get better fast brother!! It was evident that you were in pain that day!!
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Post by Mike West on May 23, 2008 22:33:25 GMT -5
Thanks everyone
part 1 of masters, @ 19:40
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Post by Gary Roberts on May 23, 2008 23:03:05 GMT -5
WOW..so you didn't feel the pop until that happened. clearly this isn't intentional but more of a bad habit on the refs part...to put that slight hit when stopping the match. I would say that if this is the case then that it evidence that perhaps you should have a rule protecting the puller. I heard talk of this over the weekend on an unrelated issue and the comment was refs should never be able to touch the competitors hands after or during a match. Is this the feeling? How would you go about making this rule change?
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Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on May 24, 2008 10:44:02 GMT -5
1st off...IS it a rule?...Or just a refs habit.....It appears to happen a lot with parallel pins..Which "most" aren't...... OPPS...Sorry to offend anyone with my post......
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Post by Keith Michel on May 24, 2008 15:42:58 GMT -5
1st off...IS it a rule?...Or just a refs habit.....It appears to happen a lot with parallel pins..Which "most" aren't...... OPPS...Sorry to offend anyone with my post...... To some refs it a habit, others don't do it. Its to keep the wrestlers from jerking around, especially in a strap at an end of a match. On parallel I don't think I grab the hands or touch them. Just make the signal. btw Christian, are you thinking of going to the Zloty Tur
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Post by Brad Spine on May 24, 2008 15:59:55 GMT -5
Yeah, it caused me a premature loss at Tahoe when the ref pulled my hand right into the pad when it was about an inch away.
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Post by Mike West on May 24, 2008 16:34:13 GMT -5
Good question Christian, I guess I should have ask that first
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Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on May 24, 2008 16:36:59 GMT -5
Keith: YES!. I am planning on it.... IF its NOT a rule,then WHY are SOME Refs doing it?....Now people are getting hurt and having premature pins. Isn't there a "class" that Refs have to take? OH BOY....I am REALLY stepping out of bounds by asking Ref questions, since I have NEVER reffed...Sorry to offend......
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Post by Mike West on May 24, 2008 20:08:25 GMT -5
Gary, you didn't hear the pop? I thought everyone at the table heard it, I know I did, felt it also, as soon as he grabbed our hands.
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Post by Keith Michel on May 25, 2008 13:48:09 GMT -5
Keith: YES!. I am planning on it.... IF its NOT a rule,then WHY are SOME Refs doing it?....Now people are getting hurt and having premature pins. Isn't there a "class" that Refs have to take? OH BOY....I am REALLY stepping out of bounds by asking Ref questions, since I have NEVER reffed...Sorry to offend...... USAA says: NEVER STOP WRESTLING until the referee grabs the hand signifying the end of the match. (quote-2004 circa) Sorry about Mike's story. A class for refs?? Not here in the US. Accept during Unifieds at a referees seminar. Canada also has seminars after main shows and classifies their referee into groups. Individuals take it upon them selfs to teach as needed for each tourney. On the job training as it were. Yes I agree, there should be on going training for referees All refs should be up to date. Some day I"d like to see a referees union, hhhhhmmm ;D ;D
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Post by Bob Strano on May 25, 2008 19:44:18 GMT -5
The WAF rules Item 10 under competition rules state:
"At the end of the match the referee will say "Stop" and indicate the winner by rasing his arm torward him/her. All effort must be made by the referee that the competitors are aware the match is stopped."
Never should anyone grab and force any of the competitors during or after the match. This is the first time I've ever heard of a competitor getting injured from a ref grabing a competitor not to say that it is the first. I perfer yelling it clearly the match is over and if needed putting my hands over the hands of the competitors as quickly as possible but never grabing the hands with any force. Sorry for your injury Mike best of luck.
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