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Post by Jim Wagner on Aug 9, 2009 13:58:26 GMT -5
When I started pulling, Left hand was always "open" I remember being really excited when they made it 0-200 and 200 +
I would make sure I was 199 and pull them both anyhow:)
For this kind of payout its worth giving up a few pounds to try.
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Post by Josh Handeland on Aug 9, 2009 14:32:41 GMT -5
I think the weight classes he is using (165, 198, 199+) is the best, there are other tournaments (Arnold Classic) with a 199+ weight class. 165's... the 154 guys aren't screwed and some 176's can make it... 198 is probably the most stacked class in the USA so how can you get rid of that! Then with 3 weight classes only 1 choice left. 199+. And since last year the 242's and 243+ were the smallest classes, 199+ makes sense. If it were 0-180 lbs. then wow the 154 lbs. guys are f'd and there a lot of them... if you're below 154, then forget it. 215? 198's is the most stacked class and now you're making them pull heavier guys... plus John Brzenk will win too easily.
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Post by Aaron Blevins on Aug 9, 2009 14:54:45 GMT -5
I got too much time on my hands this week...havent worked in the last 10 days.....Ultimately i don't care, it can be 65s.....just making conversation to entertain myself and to see where peoples thoughts are. Eh, i'll keep training.....i can make 65s...who knows...if i got the money i might show up. end of discussion for myself.
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Post by Chris Gangi on Aug 10, 2009 15:30:02 GMT -5
With 4 classes you can't pay down to 6th and still have it be worth it to come. It does not matter were you put the splits in weight there will always be guys in the middle. Suck it up guys. The weight difference really isn't that big of a deal. Those who think the weight differences are a problem, probably are not going to place anyway There it is.......PLAIN and SIMPLE......and Very TRUE
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Post by Gary Roberts on Aug 11, 2009 18:59:41 GMT -5
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Post by Aaron Blevins on Aug 11, 2009 20:45:30 GMT -5
Gary........thats the whole point of this thread from me......i don't care what anyone else is saying......i'm saying make the weight classes broader that way there will be a whole lot less inbetweens and almost everyone can make weight and compete in a class that fits them as much as possible......i want to stay away from this thread because hey ...opinions vary...... i still say.....175/ 210-215/ 210-215+...==== MORE COMPETITORS.....
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Post by Gary Roberts on Aug 11, 2009 21:32:28 GMT -5
what is your weight aaron?
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Post by Gary Roberts on Aug 11, 2009 21:42:38 GMT -5
on your low end we are talking you would like a ten pound swing to the right...
in your mind...what change does that make
tell me the list of competitors that you add to each class that we won't have now.
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Post by Aaron Blevins on Aug 11, 2009 21:58:12 GMT -5
it has nothing to do with my weight.....i can make 65s.....just, if its me, i would swing the weights to the right to add potential competitors.......off the top of my head in the 65s or would be 75s....you would add Klemba, Simon B, Snook, Shoemaker and others......those guys cant make 65s.....but definately can make 75.......on the low end of that you have lighter guys plenty competitive enough to compete with those pullers.......Dye, Kindt, Miller...VASGEN, Rivas..al those guys own the 54,65s and would be plenty competitive with Klemba and that crowd.....Thats a FREAK class......210-215....whatever....is the same.....I'm pretty sure there are plenty of 98s capable of competing with some of the 215 -220 guys....look at Rakers -vs- Hirst afterpulling.....I promise you Chandler, Rakers, Larson, Clark, Wolfe and those guys are plenty competitive with with Hirst and others that could make 215......another FREAK class.....add some of the lighter 220 guys to the strong 98s and you've got a show......which leaves.....Eric Brown, Chaffee and some of the other beasts to pull with the super heavies......
i'm telling you....you get a better idea of the smaller guys potentially all being able to make that class along with even more larger guys to fill up the middle class and plenty of room to pull all true 230-240 and up pullers to stack a heavies class...
believe me or not.....?
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Post by Gary Roberts on Aug 11, 2009 22:20:48 GMT -5
all good points. not sure why your getting frustrated. It is a good discussion.
your ideas do make sense. I was trying to stick with waf weight classes is how we got here.
we will see how this year turns out. you never know
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Post by Aaron Blevins on Aug 11, 2009 22:36:47 GMT -5
Gary.....i am not frustrated....i promise.....its all good, it is a good discussion. I'm just attempting to get my point accross.
another thing on the weight classes.....and another example for the 65s....Allen Fisher, WALKED through that class last year. Motivated and ready to win that class....what happens when you throw Robertas, Geoff Hale, Garrett Richardson, Klemba, Simon B., Snook and some of those guys in that class, does it slow him down...maybe, maybe not, but it would be fun to see.....meanwhile, the lighter guys have all the space in the world to eat what they want and get as strong as possible leading up to it....A heavier Brandon Dye, Luke Kindt and those guys I can promise are not scared to pull with anyone in that class.
examples can be made the same for the middle class and up.
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Post by Brandy Stark on Aug 12, 2009 0:15:56 GMT -5
OMG...I'm sorry but I get so sick of hearing guys bitch about a couple pounds here and there! Try having 2 weight classes to choose from...one being so low unless I cut off my leg or became a meth addict I will never see.....and the other being so wide open that after my intense training I have been in I will be falling in the middle somewhere potentially pulling girls with 40+ pounds on me So buck up little campers, if you can't hang unless the moon and the stars align perfectly for you then stay home or maybe hold your own event than you can have YOUR ideal weight classes!
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Post by Kelli Nelson on Aug 12, 2009 1:23:52 GMT -5
OMG...I'm sorry but I get so sick of hearing guys bitch about a couple pounds here and there! Try having 2 weight classes to choose from...one being so low unless I cut off my leg or became a meth addict I will never see.....and the other being so wide open that after my intense training I have been in I will be falling in the middle somewhere potentially pulling girls with 40+ pounds on me So buck up little campers, if you can't hang unless the moon and the stars align perfectly for you then stay home or maybe hold your own event than you can have YOUR ideal weight classes! LMAO my thoughts exactly Brandy!!! ;D
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Post by Aaron Blevins on Aug 12, 2009 1:42:30 GMT -5
OMG...I'm sorry but I get so sick of hearing guys bitch about a couple pounds here and there! Try having 2 weight classes to choose from...one being so low unless I cut off my leg or became a meth addict I will never see.....and the other being so wide open that after my intense training I have been in I will be falling in the middle somewhere potentially pulling girls with 40+ pounds on me So buck up little campers, if you can't hang unless the moon and the stars align perfectly for you then stay home or maybe hold your own event than you can have YOUR ideal weight classes! LMAO my thoughts exactly Brandy!!! ;D D*MN....i keep getting drawn back in.....i'm sure it is my fault. I started this thread and have UNSUCCESSFULLY convinced anyone of my thoughts. Thats fair, I get it. But seriously, these responses make me ask this question. I just want to know what impression you've gotten from my thoughts. am I trying to make the classes easier? Can I just not make 65s and need a class that suits me, so the stars can align and I can be competitive? or am I just so badly spoken that noone understands what i'm getting at and I just need to get over it and pull? MY ANSWER: I am trying to convince anyone paying attention to this,....... that in order to win this tournament or even be competitive...THE STARS better align perfectly or even pullers such as Allen Fisher will have ZERO chance of just WALKING through the class....... REAL ANSWER: I am FAILING at attempting to make the classes even more competitive.
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Post by Guy Windover on Aug 12, 2009 5:10:35 GMT -5
Aaron, I do see what point you are trying to get across. I don't think your discussion is about yourself personally, but about what classes would be best for drawing armwrestlers to the ROTN. Discussion should be good, unfortuantely everyone generally wants their opinion heard at the same time. Honestly I do think you made some good points. I also agree with Brandy and Kelli in a different way (although I know their reply missed your point), that too much is placed on a few pounds. Until this year I was languishing in the 242's which is a broad, tough class. Alot of the 243+ pullers did not like this weight class as well because they felt it drew down numbers in the supers. They felt a 221+ cutoff would be better. Who knows. No matter what you make it someone will have their knickers in a knot. No making everyone happy, but I do see your point on "stacking classes". If this is Gary's intent, (which he says it is), your discussion is from your last few posts, what weights might better stack the classes. And I agree with your philosophy. It actually makes for some unique scenarios as well. Vazgen vs Klemba. You get my drift. Matchups that dont usually happen in high stakes battles. Usually at smaller tournaments with a trophy on the line. Not near as serious. Kudos for putting your thoughts on the line!
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