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Post by Michael Wells on Aug 9, 2010 17:02:53 GMT -5
Engrin, I can't say for sure if he's a Muslim or not. I have a strong feeling he is but I know he's not a Christian as he claims. My focus really hasn't been on Barry (aka Obama) in this situation. How can ANY of our leaders be for this?? It's way more than a religious issue. It's being stabbed in the chest by your own country for allowing it
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Post by John Byerley on Aug 9, 2010 17:19:08 GMT -5
I think The President in a hybrid of alot of beliefs.
He has roots firmly grounded in Marxism, Communism, Islam, and Liberation Theology. The church he attended for twenty years - admittedly - is a Liberation Theology church - which, in short:
Liberation theology[1] is a movement in Christian theology which construes the teachings of Jesus Christ in terms of a liberation from unjust economic, political, or social conditions. It has been described by proponents as "an interpretation of Christian faith through the poor's suffering, their struggle and hope, and a critique of society and the Catholic faith and Christianity through the eyes of the poor",[2] and by detractors as Christianity perverted by Marxism and Communism.[
Social justice and redistribution of wealth IS AT THE HEART of Barack OBAMA - from his own mouth. So the way he is conducting himself is only staying along side his belief system.
This is evident from EVERYTHING he has been in involved in since birth - everything from his family, grandparents, the churches he attended, and the decisions he has made personally and politically.
ANYONE who refutes this is just refuting public information - available through research and/or reading his books. ( Or common sense )
What that has to do with a SUPERmosque at ground zero, I don't know.
Not his decision - but its not like hes going to step in and say no either. To say this project has been conceived in poor taste is the understatement of the century.
It will do nothing positive for Islamic relations in this country - and will be more divisive than anything we've seen in a while. And it does not need to succeed.
IMO everyone would agree if you want to build it, build it 10 miles down the road - in the bronx, go for it - whatever - not 2 blocks from ground zero, and not a towering structure that will look down on the place where thousands lost their lives at the hands of "Islamic" terrorists. Not trying to be offensive, just honest.
I'm not sure anyone including the president knows exactly WHAT HE IS in terms of beliefs. agenda, etc. But I know for a fact that I absolutely CANNOT STAND HIM. He's the most arrogant sarcastic condescending and FAKE president of my lifetime.
I could write a 12 page essay on my previous statement with enough philosophical and commonsensical backing to make ANY of his supporters head spin around. I was not George Bush' biggest fan by any means, but the current president makes the former president look like MR PERFECT.
I'm convinced that the 40% or so of Americans that are still giving him an a+ and a thumbs up on his approval rating, are just like him. So, this country is MOST CERTAINLY at a defining point in our history, and in a cultural war with itself.
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 9, 2010 18:08:57 GMT -5
in my country 99% of the public is Muslim (70 milion people).i will be surprised if any of them believes that Obama is a Muslim. i would not want Turkish President to be a Christian but i would not talk about Christianity something like curse.and i understand that people of a Christian country would not want a Muslim President,but i hope the Christians can make the difference as well. i wish that Obama was a Muslim but then i would wish that he was not the American president.is there any one who has ever seen him making prayer in Islamic way? how did he receive support by his Democrat party and by American citizens if he is a Muslim? American intelligence service has no information about it? and why would the "DEEP" state allow him to become American president? i just think that Obama is someone who is thinking of USA more than thinking of Israel.that is why all these Zionist based propagandas are happenning.cleaning the messes of Israel brought USA to this point.USA had a great image in the world but cleaning the messes of Israel brought USA to a point that US started to think of his own as it's primary duty. we Muslims do not believe Jesus to be god but believe that he is a word and a holy messenger of GOD.we believe in Mother Mary to be the best of the women ever and the virgin birth.we believe Jesus' miracles as well.every Muslim loves Jesus (peace be upon him) as much as they love Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). but then at the other side Talmud (the holliest book of the Zionists) teaches to the Zionists (please ead the thoughts of Martin Luther about Talmud,at the end of the post) ; short version: www.despatch.cth.com.au/Despatch/Jews05.htmdetailed version: www.biblebelievers.org.au/talmud1.htmanother : www.revisionisthistory.org/talmudtruth.html " Jesus was a b..... born of adultery." (Yebamoth 49b, p.324). " Mary was a w....: Jesus (Balaam) was an evil man." (Sanhedrin 106a &b, p.725). " Jesus was a magician and a fool. Mary was an adulteress". (Shabbath 104b, p.504). " Christians are allied with Hell, and Christianity is worse than incest". (Abodah Zarah 17a, p.85). " WHEN MESSIAH COMES HE WILL DESTROY THE CHRISTIANS". (Sanhedrin 99a,p.668). " Those who read the Gospels are doomed to Hell". (Sanhedrin 90a, 100b, pp.601-602, 680). also; Menahoth 43b-44a. A Jewish man is obligated to say the following prayer every day: Thank you God for not making me a gentile, a woman or a slave. Minor Tractates. Soferim 15, Rule 10. This is the saying of Rabbi Simon ben Yohai: Tob shebe goyyim harog (" Even the best of the gentiles should all be killed"). and tens of more that i am ashamed to share here! i mean according to your faith,you Christians do not believe that Jesus was crucified by Jews because of the love that they had for him,right? so no surprising here. Talmud was cursed by the Christians including Catholic Church from the time that it was discovered. and also Martin Luther was angered after reading Talmud. from the book of Martin Luther, On "the Jews and Their Lies", 1543 "the Jews and Their Lies" by Martin Luther "They exalt themselves and praise God for separating them from the heathen …In order that their raving, frantic and foolish nonsense might be perfect, they praise and thank God, fisrt, that they are human beings and not animals; secondly, that they are Israelites and not Goyim (heathen); thirdly, that they were created as Men and not as Women. Such foolishness they do not have from Israel, but from Goyim. For thus the historians write that the Greek Plato daily gave such praise and thanks to God, if such blasphemy and haughtiness could be called the praise of God. For that man [Plato] also praised his gods for these three things, that he was a man and not an animal, a man and not a woman, a Greek and not a non-Greek or barbarian. Such is the praying of a fool and the praise of a blasphemous barbarian; just as the Mals imagine that they alone are human beings and all the rest of the world nothing but inhuman beings, ducks, or mice. They are the real liars and bloodhounds, who have perverted and falsified the entire Scriptures from beginning to end without ceasing, with their interpretations … O, how they love that book of Esther, which so nicely agrees with their revengeful people — they who imagine themselves to be the people of God, who desire to think they must murder and crush the heathen … As they at first demonstrated against us Christians and would like to do so now, if only they could.. The Jews desire no more from their Messiah than that he should be a Kochba" (leader of the Pharisee revolt against Rome in 135 A.D., in which according to historian Gibbon, about a million non-Jews were sadistically slaughtered) "and a worldly king, who would slay the Christians, divide the world among the Jews and make them rich lords. How much better it would be if they did not have God's Commandment or did not know it. For if they did not have it, they would be uncondemned. They are condemned because they have God's Commandment and do not keep it, but act against it without ceasing … In like manner murderers and sleepers, thieves and scoundrels and all evil men could boast they are God's holy and chosen people, because they have His Word and know that they should fear and obey him. The heathen philosophers write much more honorably … They write that man by nature is obligated to serve others, also to keep his word to his enemies … Yea, I maintain that in three fables of Aesop there is more wisdom to be found than in all the books of Talmudists and Rabbis and more than ever could come into the hearts of the Jews. Should someone think I am saying too much — I am not saying too much, but much too little! For I see in their writings how they curse us Goyim and wish us all evil in their schools and prayers. They rob us of our money through usury … they play us all manner of mean tricks; what is worst of all, they … teach that such should be done. No Heathen has done such things and none would do so except the Devil himself, and those whom he possesses like he possesses the Jews. Thus they call Him [Jesus] the child of a sleeper and His mother, Mary, a sleeper, whom she had in adultery … Reluctantly I must speak so coarsely in opposing the Devil … We do not call our wives sleepers as they call Maria, the Mother of Jesus; we do not call them bastards, as they call our Lord Christ. We do not curse them, but wish them all manner of bodily and spiritual good; permit them to lodge with us. We don't steal and mutilate their children; do not poison their [page 11] water; do not thirst after their blood … Now behold what a nice, thick, fat lie it is when they complain about being captives among us. Jerusalem was destroyed more than 1400 years ago and during that time we Christians have been tortured and persecuted by Jews in all the world. For nearly 300 years we might well complain that during that time they captured and killed the Christians, which is the clear truth. On top of that, we do not know to this day what Devil brought them into our country. We did not fetch them from Jerusalem. On top of that no one is holding them now. Land and highways are open to them … They are a heavy burden to us in our country, like a plague, pestilence, and nothing but misfortune … Should the Devil not laugh and dance, when in this manner he can have his paradise among us Christians … and to thank us … blasphemes and curses God and man! … Now what are we going to do with these rejected condemned Jewish people? You, Milords and men of authority, should not tolerate but expel them. They are our public enemies and incessantly blaspheme our Lord Jesus Christ; they call our blessed Virgin Mary a harlot and Her Son a bastard … if they could kill us all, they would gladly do so; in fact many of them murder Christians, especially those professing to be surgeons and doctors. They know how to deal with medicaments in the manner of the Italians — the Borgias and Medicis — who gave people poison which brought about their death in one hour or a month … As a good patriot I wanted to give you this warning for the very last time to deter you from participating in alien sins. You must know I only desire the best for you all, rulers and subjects."
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Post by John Wilson on Aug 9, 2010 19:42:39 GMT -5
Obama is no more Muslim than he is Christian. He is a pure political animal in the way Bill Clinton was. The main difference between them was Bill Clinton woke up each day to a stack of index cards that told him what he believed in that day based on current polling data. Obama is a power-monger and he is married at the hip to individuals who got him where he is and maintain his power so long as he does their bidding. But faith has absolutely nothing to do with it.
Barry Soetero, aka Barack Obama, does not have any beliefs beyond being elected. He attended the 'right' church in Chicago to make sure he was rubbing elbows with the power brokers who could get him where he needed to be. Oprah Winfrey attends this same church, just so you know.
Obama has never in his life actually accomplished a single thing, but wherever the Marxist, anti-American money was to be found- there he was. The man is a useful idiot to some very powerful people.
If I were a Muslim I would feel my faith disgraced if Obama pretended to represent my faith. As a Christian it is plainly obvious to the most disinterested observer that Obama has zero knowledge of scripture or even basic Christian fundamentals. His "Liberation Theology" has as much to do with Christianity as Louis Farrakhan's Nation of Islam has to do with actual Islam. Both are nothing but disgraceful forms of racist hate hiding under the umbrella of religious protection provided in the 1st Amendment of the Constitution.
I do not believe Obama has anything to do with the mosque being put up in NYC. If it can't get him elected he is probably hugely uninterested. But, having said that, if CAIR is donating lots of money to his campaign, then that could be the reason he is silent on the matter and possibly supporting it.
If you want to know what Obama believes in, find out what his financial supporters believe in.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Aug 10, 2010 6:03:00 GMT -5
I could be wrong on this but i believe that "the nation of islam" and "Islam" are two totally different religions. Even though they have similar references.
The nation of Islam is a religion full of racism and hate. And very anti American.
The nation of islam main objective seems to me to be to suppress the white man and advance the black man.
This is the religion of Malcolm x, Muhammad Ali,and Michael Jackson.
I believe if Obama were to claim a religion it would be a Muslim. But of the nation of Islam.
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 10, 2010 6:54:10 GMT -5
I could be wrong on this but i believe that "the nation of islam" and "Islam" are two totally different religions. Even though they have similar references. The nation of Islam is a religion full of racism and hate. And very anti American. The nation of islam main objective seems to me to be to suppress the white man and advance the black man. This is the religion of Malcolm x, Muhammad Ali,and Michael Jackson. I believe if Obama were to claim a religion it would be a Muslim. But of the nation of Islam. Ryan, Malcom X joined the nation of islam by thinking that Islam was a religion of black people and was against the white people.but after visiting Kaaba he saw the Muslims from different races and he realised that Islam had nothing to do with black or white people.then he became a true Muslim but then got murdered by the members of the so called nation of Islam that preached racism towards white people.racism can never be part of Islam.our Prophet had three wars and all were against the Arabs,and some of them were his relatives who were idolators.here is the parts from the last speech of our prophet; " All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action." above clearly mentioned that superiority is possible not by the race but by the piety and good action. as far as i read our prophet took tax from the Christians but provided full protection and liberty of religion in 7. century. TRUE LETTERS OF OUR PROPHET; Letter to the Monks of St. Catherine Monastery “This is a message from Muhammad ibn Abdullah, as a covenant to those who adopt Christianity, near and far, we are with them. Verily I, the servants, the helpers, and my followers defend them, because Christians are my citizens; and by Allah! I hold out against anything that displeases them. No compulsion is to be on them. Neither are their judges to be removed from their jobs nor their monks from their monasteries. No one is to destroy a house of their religion, to damage it, or to carry anything from it to the Muslims’ houses. Should anyone take any of these, he would spoil God’s covenant and disobey His Prophet. Verily, they are my allies and have my secure charter against all that they hate. No one is to force them to travel or to oblige them to fight. The Muslims are to fight for them. If a female Christian is married to a Muslim, it is not to take place without her approval. She is not to be prevented from visiting her church to pray. Their churches are to be respected. They are neither to be prevented from repairing them nor the sacredness of their covenants. No one of the nation (Muslims) is to disobey the covenant till the Last Day (end of the world).” A Letter from the Prophet Muhammad To The Assyrian Christians “God has told me in a vision what to do, and I confirm His command by giving my solemn promise to keep this agreement. To the followers of the Islam I say: Carry out my command, protect and help the Nazarene nation in this country of ours in their own land. Leave their places of worship in peace; help and assist their chief and their priests when in need of help, be it in the mountains, in the desert, on the sea, or at home. Leave all their possessions alone, be it houses or other property, do not destroy anything of their belongings, the followers of Islam shall not harm or molest any of this nation, because the Nazarenes are my subjects, pay tribute to me and will help the Muslims. No tribute, but what is agreed upon, shall be collected from them, their church buildings shall be left as they are, they shall not be altered, their priests shall be permitted to teach and worship in their own way-the Nazarenes have full liberty of worship in their churches and homes. None of their churches shall be torn down, or altered into a mosque, except by the consent and free will of the Nazarenes. If any one disobeys this command, the anger of God and His Prophet shall be upon him. “The tribute paid the Nazarenes shall be used to promote the teachings of Islam and shall be deposited at the treasury of Beth Almal. A common man shall pay one denar (piece of money), but the merchants and people who own mines of gold and silver and are rich shall pay twelve denars. Strangers and people who have no houses or other settled property shall not have taxes levied upon them. If a man inherits property he shall pay a settled sum to the Baitulmal treasury. The Christians are not obliged to make war on the enemies of Islam, but if an enemy attacks the Christians, the Muslims shall not deny their help, but give them horses and weapons, if they need them, and protect them from evils from outside and keep the peace with them. The Christians are not obliged to turn Muslims, until God’s will makes them believers. “The Muslims shall not force Christian women to accept Islam, but if they themselves wish to embrace it, the Muslims shall be kind to them. “If a Christian woman is married to a Muslim and does not want to embrace Islam, she has liberty to worship at her own church according to her own religious belief, and her husband must not treat her unkindly on account of her religion. If any one disobeys this command, he disobeys God and his prophet and will be guilty of a great offense. “If the Nazarenes wish to build a church, their Muslim neighbors shall help them. This shall be done, because the Christians have obeyed us and have come to us and pleaded for peace and mercy. “If there be among the Christians a great and learned man the Muslims shall honor him and not be envious of his greatness. “If any one is unjust and unkind to the Christians he will be guilty of disobeying the Prophet of God. “The Christians should not shelter an enemy of Islam or give him horse, weapon or any other help. If a Muslim is in need the Christian shall for three days and nights be his host and shelter him from his enemies. The Christians shall, furthermore, protect the Mohammedan women and children and not deliver them up to the enemy or expose them to view. If the Nazarenes fail to fulfil these conditions, they have forfeited their right to protection, and the agreement is null and void. “This document shall be entrusted to the Christian chief and head of their church for safe keeping.” The peace of God be over them all! This agreement is written by Moavijah Ben Sofian, according to the dictates of Muhammad, the Messenger of God, in the 4th year of the Hegira in the city of Medina.
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 10, 2010 7:01:55 GMT -5
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Post by Ryan Thames on Aug 10, 2010 9:08:33 GMT -5
Sooooo
I'm confused do you agree or disagree with me that the nation of Islam is a mock religion of Islam?
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 10, 2010 9:39:31 GMT -5
Sooooo I'm confused do you agree or disagree with me that the nation of Islam is a mock religion of Islam? are you joking me,Ryan? there is no such religion i thought they did not exist anymore but i guess they do i just read that they have 22.000 members please compare them with 1.3 billion Muslims in the world.i just read about their teachings,which has no part in our religion.what they say make them unbelievers according to Islamic rules.some examples; in True Islam: Allah is one, who has no partners they say: Wallace D. Fard came as God incarnate (God is man) ************************************************** in True Islam: Muhammad The final prophet of Islam, no one comes after him they say: Elijah Muhammad is the prophet to tell about incarnation of Fard ************************************************** in True Islam: All races are equal regardless of color of skin, judged on behavior they say: The original black race of man is superior, especially to the white man: a race of "blue-eyed devils" created by the black man ************************************************* in True Islam: Allah created the universe, first humans were Adam and Eve they say: Black scientists created the plan which repeats every 25,000 years ************************************************** in True Islam: Qur'an Revealed to Muhammad from God through the Angel Gabriel they say: Black scientists created and revealed the Bible and the Qur'an ************************************************** they have nothing to do with Islam.some racist people who try to use Islam to serve the hate that they have for the white people. Islam has respect for other religions but it would not allow anyone to corrupt Islam.they would be punished terribly in any country which is ruled by Islamic Law.
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 10, 2010 10:02:36 GMT -5
I could be wrong on this but i believe that "the nation of islam" and "Islam" are two totally different religions. Even though they have similar references. The nation of Islam is a religion full of racism and hate. And very anti American. The nation of islam main objective seems to me to be to suppress the white man and advance the black man. This is the religion of Malcolm x, Muhammad Ali,and Michael Jackson. I believe if Obama were to claim a religion it would be a Muslim. But of the nation of Islam. btw,Muhammad Ali left that organisation in 1975 and became a true Muslim.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Aug 10, 2010 12:39:32 GMT -5
Lol I've never looked that close at it. What they believe us humorous. Sounds like another religion I know of in Utah
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Post by Bill Maenza on Aug 10, 2010 13:03:03 GMT -5
Non now Ryan, behave yourself! Lol I've never looked that close at it. What they believe us humorous. Sounds like another religion I know of in Utah
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Post by Michael Wells on Aug 10, 2010 13:15:02 GMT -5
Ok, I apologize, but I was under the assumption that Muslim/Islam, same thing and only one united religion. That the radicals were the ones full of racism and hate, just like any other religion out there having radicals. So which group is out there to kill Christians?
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Post by Robert Bishop on Aug 10, 2010 14:04:29 GMT -5
i wonder what group that puppet from Iran belongs to he wants to start the 3rd world war as soon as poss to speed up the return of his messiah The biggest problem with the Jews is that the majority still does not consider Jesus the messiah like christians do and they wont until after the Gog/Magog invasion in which they will finally look to Christ
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Post by John Wilson on Aug 10, 2010 14:05:48 GMT -5
Within Islam (the Muslim faith) are many sects, just like with Judaism and Christianity.
Most of the radical muslims you hear about are Wahabi.
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