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Post by enginterzi on Aug 10, 2010 15:17:10 GMT -5
Ok, I apologize, but I was under the assumption that Muslim/Islam, same thing and only one united religion. That the radicals were the ones full of racism and hate, just like any other religion out there having radicals. So which group is out there to kill Christians? Muslim/Islam is same thing.Islam is the name of the religion and Muslim is the believer of the religion. what Ryan asked,was about the so called islamic organisation in USA which has nothing to do with Islamic doctrine. i do not know who wants to kill Americans but i heard that responsibility of another attack (34 died,174 wounded) on US marines that happenned during the Arab-Jews war in 1967,was almost gonna be put on Arabs,only if they (Israel) could and this would create an American attack on Arabs (an evil plan but did not work then but worked today); ussliberty.wordpress.com/ "As soon as I got up, I saw what it was that had caused me to slip and fall. My good friend, Francis Brown had caught a machine gun bullet or a piece of shrapnel in the back of the head and his blood was everywhere. His eyes were closed but his face was swelled up like a balloon. It was something that no human being should ever have to see and especially when it is your good friend. My first thought when seeing this was “ Those Arab bastards, they just blew my friend to pieces…” “At last, the jets realized they would not succeed in sinking us. They called off their attack and left. Before we could breathe a sigh of relief however, the voice of Captain McGonagle came over the intercom, ordering the ship’s crew to prepare for torpedo hit, starboard side. I looked out to see the torpedo boats coming at us at a high rate of speed. Unlike the jets, the torpedo boats were proudly flying their flag, a Star of David. When I saw the flag and the high rate of speed they were coming at us, I breathed a sigh of relief. Foolishly, I assumed that our beloved ally had scared off the jets and were coming to our rescue." " The delusion lasted for only a minute until I saw the splash of several torpedoes being dropped in the water as they headed towards us. Unable to find a big enough vein during the first time with the air assault, the vampire now moved to a different part of our neck, searching out the jugular.” “As the helicopter hovered over us at about fifty feet above the deck, I could see that my worst suspicions had been proven correct. This was not a rescue helicopter. Instead, there were commandos, special forces, armed with sub-machineguns used for close-quarter combat. I knew immediately they were not here to give us help. They were here to finish what their fellow assassins had been unable to accomplish. They were going to murder the entire crew of the USS Liberty. Then, once we were all dead and they were free to move about as they pleased, they would place explosives in strategic areas of the ship, detonate them and sink us all. The perfect crime, leaving no witnesses. As the helicopter hovered for a moment, I saw that the troops inside were preparing to board the ship. From no more than 75 feet away, I stood like a dumb-ass in an open doorway where they had a clear shot at me. I locked eyes with one of my would-be assassins who was sitting on the floor of the helicopter. His legs were hanging out, and he had one foot on the skid below as he waited for the order to repel down to the ship’s deck and finish us all off.” www.uss-liberty.com/2010/03/25/betrayal-behind-israeli-attack-on-u-s-ship/ " To add insult to injury, Congress, to this day, has failed to hold formal hearings on Israel’s attack on this American ship. No official investigation of Israel’s attack has ever permitted the testimony of the surviving crew members." www.gtr5.com/ " The Israeli forces attacked with full knowledge that this was an American ship and lied about it. Survivors have been forbidden for 40 years to tell their story under oath to the American public."
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 10, 2010 15:44:39 GMT -5
i wonder what group that puppet from Iran belongs to there are two main groups in Islam,Sunnis and Shias.i just read that Muslim population in the world is 1.57 Billion and about 10% of them are shia which includes Ahmedinecad.i and majority of my country citizens are sunni Muslims. he wants to start the 3rd world war as soon as poss to speed up the return of his messiah we think of the same thing about Zionists,who believe that Messiah will make Jews kings and others as slaves. according to Quran,Jesus Christ is the Messiah; "When the angels said, 'O Mary, ALLAH gives thee glad tidings of a son through a word from HIM; his name shall be the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, honoured in this world and in the next, and of those who are granted nearness to God." The biggest problem with the Jews is that the majority still does not consider Jesus the messiah like christians do and they wont until after the Gog/Magog invasion in which they will finally look to Christ according to Jews,Jesus is a b.... and their Messiah will destroy the Christians as Martin Luther wrote after he read the holy book of Jews,Talmud; " The Jews desire no more from their Messiah than that he should be a Kochba and a worldly king, who would slay the Christians, divide the world among the Jews and make them rich lords." " they call our blessed Virgin Mary a harlot and Her Son a bastard … if they could kill us all, they would gladly do so" we Muslims also wait the return of Jesus Christ,as you Christians do.the difference is that we wait for Jesus,the holy messenger of GOD,son of Mary; "And when the angels said: 'O Maryam (Mary)! Verily, Allah (God) has chosen you, purified you and chosen you above the women of the world . "
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Post by Ryan Thames on Aug 10, 2010 17:00:09 GMT -5
Call me silly but I honestly believe that superman is what the Jews expect the messiah to be. And were upset when Jesus didn't dominate the world violently.
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Post by John Wilson on Aug 10, 2010 21:27:18 GMT -5
Call me silly but I honestly believe that superman is what the Jews expect the messiah to be. And were upset when Jesus didn't dominate the world violently. The Jews were expecting a new warrior king in the line of David. They fully expect(ed) this king to crush their Roman oppressor and elevate the Jews to power. This was based on the prophecy that the Messiah would descend from David and his kingdom would spread throughout the world. Jesus is from the line of David and he fulfilled every prophecy, he just did not do it by the sword as the Jews expected and it took centuries when they expected immediate results. God does what he says, not what we believe he said. He also does not concern himself with our timelines or our notions of how he should accomplish what he said he would do. But, yes. That Jesus was not a warrior is exactly why the Jews rejected him.
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Post by Michael Wells on Aug 10, 2010 21:49:35 GMT -5
I understand how a Muslim is to Islam, like a Christian is to Christianity. I just didn't realize there were different types/levels/stems (lack of better words for sure) of Islam. Is it like having another denomination, like Christianity? I, as well as millions of people, have been under the impression that Muslims are out to kill Christians. The radicals of course. Meaning the verse in the Quran, talking about if you don't convert to Islam....... I can't quote it, I'm sorry. I may sound like an idiot right now but I'm really curious on the view of a Muslim towards Christians. Thank you for being open Engin.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Aug 10, 2010 23:04:30 GMT -5
I think we have established that the nation of Islam is a whole different religion all together.
That being said there are people who claim to be Muslims. Who are not.
Think of the nation of Islam as the white guy who thinks he's black trying to fit in.
It's a joke and an embarrassment and they don't even realize it.
Much like certain religions who claim to be Christian religions and dont even remotely follow the scripture or the gospel for that matter.
I won't name any religions here.....
Hi Bill, I'm being have. Lol
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Post by Mat Helmer on Aug 10, 2010 23:28:06 GMT -5
This is a very good topic.
Engin, how does Sharia Law come into play in true Islam? I've heard (through Media) that it is an "interpretation" of God's Laws and His Will and Sharia differs from place to place in order to please those in Religious Power?
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Post by Bill Maenza on Aug 11, 2010 6:09:12 GMT -5
Those who have not read about USS Liberty should - it is a real eye opener. Hi Ryan!
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 11, 2010 6:41:52 GMT -5
I understand how a Muslim is to Islam, like a Christian is to Christianity. I just didn't realize there were different types/levels/stems (lack of better words for sure) of Islam. Is it like having another denomination, like Christianity? I, as well as millions of people, have been under the impression that Muslims are out to kill Christians. The radicals of course. Meaning the verse in the Quran, talking about if you don't convert to Islam....... I can't quote it, I'm sorry. I may sound like an idiot right now but I'm really curious on the view of a Muslim towards Christians. Thank you for being open Engin. Michael, you for sure do not sound like an idiot but sound like someone who tries to understand and i am happy about it. earlier on this thread i shared two true letters of our prophet.those letters show the way that leader of our religion saw the Christians. some verses in Quran about the Christians; " Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians -- whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor shall they grieve"2:62 "... and nearest among them in love to the believers will you find those who say, 'We are Christians,' because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant" (5:82). " O you who believe! Be helpers of God -- as Jesus the son of Mary said to the Disciples, 'Who will be my helpers in (the work of) God?' Said the disciples, 'We are God's helpers!' Then a portion of the Children of Israel believed, and a portion disbelieved. But We gave power to those who believed, against their enemies, and they became the ones that prevailed" (61:14). names of Jesus in Quran; " Word of GOD" " Spirit from GOD" " The Righteous" " Messiah" " Prophet" " Messenger of GOD" " The son of Mary"
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Post by Robert Bishop on Aug 11, 2010 11:57:29 GMT -5
Engin who exactly is the Sabians? is it a group or a country?
I know some of the old names for countries like Gog/Magog and some others but i dont know who Sabians is
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 11, 2010 13:14:00 GMT -5
Engin who exactly is the Sabians? is it a group or a country? I know some of the old names for countries like Gog/Magog and some others but i dont know who Sabians is hi Robert, the information that i found about them is below; they believed in one GOD. they believed in all prophets but considered themselves as the followers of Noah. they worshipped 5 times a day. fasted 30 days in a year.
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Post by Michael Wells on Aug 12, 2010 6:10:59 GMT -5
Those who have not read about USS Liberty should - it is a real eye opener. Hi Ryan! About the USS Liberty... Is this where they thought they were getting help by their own country (us) but ended up getting torpedo'd?
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Post by Robert Bishop on Aug 13, 2010 16:27:08 GMT -5
i cant figure why they wont let the Christian Orthidox[sp?] church rebuild on the land they have had for over a 100y but this what they are trying ------maybe my info is off but that is the sounds of it aclj.org i know has a lot of good info from what i hear but i havent had time to reserch yet because lately i have to log online at the library with a time limit
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Post by Robert Bishop on Aug 14, 2010 11:41:50 GMT -5
this issue of the mosque at first didnt bother me so much but the more time goes by and more info that comes out on this has me pissed off Hearing the president yesterday going on about how we need to get the mosque built is very annoying --------to me he is showing how he is muslim you combine this with fact he treated B N like crap and tried to make Israel give up buildings in Jerusalem--------It took a bunch of pissed off liberals to get him to back off on his treatment of them-------he has had more relations with muslims after only a short time in office than any president ever has Why the HECK is our president so involved in getting a mosque built -------------to me its a slap in the face that muslims destroyed the buildings and they decide they want a mosque built
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Post by Ryan Thames on Aug 14, 2010 12:28:34 GMT -5
I would bet it goes deeper than a mosque, Muslims and Islam.
Bomp bomp bomp booooooooommmmmmp
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