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Post by enginterzi on Aug 16, 2010 12:32:38 GMT -5
President Franklin Roosevelt knew of the suffering of the Jews in Europe long before Hitler's Final Solution was public information. Roosevelt turned down requests to allow Jewish refugees into the US when he knew they were bound for extermination camps if he refused. that makes perfect sense with the plan of Theodor Herzl,Father of Zionism movement ; “ It is essential that the sufferings of Jews.. . become worse. . . this will assist in realization of our plans. . .I have an excellent idea. . . I shall induce anti-Semites to liquidate Jewish wealth. . . The anti-Semites will assist us thereby in that they will strengthen the persecution and oppression of Jews. The anti-Semites shall be our best friends”. (From his Diary, Part I, pp. 16) it also makes perfect with the words of David Ben-Gurion in 1938: " If I knew it was possible to save all the children in Germany by taking them to England, and only half of the children by taking them to Eretz Israel, I would choose the second solution. For we must take into account not only the lives of these children but also the history of the people of Israel." Sacrificing the lives of Millions of Jews people for the sake of a Zionist movement is what should be called "anti semitism".
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Post by Michael Wells on Aug 16, 2010 14:03:44 GMT -5
Roosevelt was a freemason too.
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Post by Robert Bishop on Aug 16, 2010 15:07:35 GMT -5
Roosevelt was a freemason too. a lot of the masonic symbols on the dollar you can thank him for
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Post by John Wilson on Aug 16, 2010 15:17:07 GMT -5
Don't forget putting U.S. Citizens of Japanese descent into internment camps during WWII, nationalizing the financial system through the creation of the Federal Reserve, and confiscating privately held gold.
This is the man liberals everywhere like to think of as a great man. He was horrible. His policies did more to further the Great Depression than they ever did to help it.
I see a trend.
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Post by Robert Bishop on Aug 16, 2010 15:25:58 GMT -5
Steve what are you against 1 --------- any talk of Mormonism in a neg way or 2----------The way he said it? Because there is a lot of things in Mormonism that isnt right that could/should be addressed We have debated Christianity Islam Catholics Masons and some other things good and bad Why should Mormonism be off limits? I for one would like anyone wishing to become a Mormon on here to know exactly what they are getting into I have close family that are Mormons--------i pray for their eyes to be open every single day I didnt realize at first what was tought until one day they brought over a sunday s book in which i was shocked at how warped it was compaired to the bible and NOT in alignment like they say Whenever he had any debates/friendly they always quoted scripture from their book and then quoted scripture from the bible that they said agreed but it was ALWAYS taken out of context --------like our friend Engin does from time to time when he quotes scripture Their book should always agree with the bible NOT the other way around taken out of context I have nothing against you or my Mormon Family---------but because i care about them i WILL tell them what i dont agree with-------if i dont who will ---------who will care enough for you to tell you
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Post by Michael Wells on Aug 16, 2010 17:06:06 GMT -5
I agree with Robert. I've got my opinions about Mormonism and would love to get your perspective and why Mormons believe what they believe. All in healthy conversation.
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 16, 2010 18:43:14 GMT -5
'Brother' Eliphas Levi The Mysteries of Magic
"What is more absurd and more impious than to attribute the name of Lucifer to the devil, that is, to personified evil. The intellectual Lucifer is the spirit of intelligence and love; it is the paraclete, it is the Holy Spirit, while the physical Lucifer is the great agent of universal magnetism." page 428
'Illustrious' Manley Palmer Hall 33° The Secret Teachings of All Ages
"I hereby promise the Great Spirit Lucifer, Prince of Demons, that each year I will bring unto him a human soul to do with as as it may please him, and in return Lucifer promises to bestow upon me the treasures of the earth and fulfil my every desire for the length of my natural life. If I fail to bring him each year the offering specified above, then my own soul shall be forfeit to him. Signed..... { Invocant signs pact with his own blood } " page CIV
Sister Helena Petrovna Blavatsky 32° Ancient and Accepted Primitive Rite Grand Orient of France The Secret Doctrine
"Lucifer represents..Life..Thought..Progress..Civilization.. Liberty..Independence..Lucifer is the Logos..the Serpent, the Savior." pages 171, 225, 255 (Volume II)
"It is Satan who is the God of our planet and the only God." pages 215, 216, 220, 245, 255, 533, (VI)
"The Celestial Virgin which thus becomes the Mother of Gods and Devils at one and the same time; for she is the ever-loving beneficent Deity...but in antiquity and reality Lucifer or Luciferius is the name. Lucifer is divine and terrestial Light, 'the Holy Ghost' and "Satan' at one and the same time." page 539
1. 'Illustrious' Albert Pike 33° Legendas XIX° ~ XXX° Pg. 40 - 44.
"If the buckler of Satan did not stay the flight of Michael's lance, the power of the Archangel would be lost in the void, or would necessarily display and manifest itself by an infinite destruction, directed from above to below. "And if the foot of Michael did not arrest Satan in his ascent, Satan would go to dethrone God, or to lose himself in the abysses of height. "Satan is then necessary to Michael, as the pedestal to the statue; and Michael to Satan, as the brake to the locomotive. "In analogical and universal dynamics we rest only on that which resists. "Wherefore, as we have said before, the Universe is balanced by two forces, which maintain it in equilibrium; and the force which attracts, and that which repels. This is the equilibrium of the mountain of gold, which the Gods on one side, and the Demons on the other, hold tied by the symbolic Serpent of India; and its scientific reality is demonstrated by the phenomena of Polarity, and by the universal law of Sympathies and Antipathies...."
2. 'Illustrious' Albert Pike 33° Instructions to World Supreme Councils Aug. 14, 1889
'That which we must say to the crowd is -- We worship a God, but it is the God that one adores without superstition. 'To you, Sovereign Grand Inspectors General, we say this, that you may repeat it to the Brethren of the 32nd, 31st and 30th degrees -- The Masonic religion should be, by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the of purity of the Luciferian doctrine. 'If Lucifer were not God, would Adonay whose deeds prove his cruelty, perfidy, and hatred of man, barbarism and repulsion for science, would Adonay and his priests, calumniate him? 'Yes, Lucifer is God, and unfortunately Adonay is also God. For the eternal law is that there is no light without shade, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black, for the absolute can only exist as two Gods: darkness being necessary to light to serve as its foil as the pedestal is necessary to the statue, and the brake to the locomotive. 'In analogical and universal dynamics one can only lean on that which will resist. Thus the universe is balanced by two forces which maintain its equilibrium: the force of attraction and that of repulsion. These two forces exist in physics, philosophy and religion. And the scientific reality of the divine dualism is demonstrated by the phenomena of polarity and by the universal law of sympathies and antipathies. That is why the intelligent disciples of Zoroaster, as well as, after them, the Gnostics, the Manicheans and the Templars have admitted, as the only logical metaphysical conception, the system of the two divine principles fighting eternally, and one cannot believe the one inferior in power to the other. 'Thus, the doctrine of Satanism is a heresy; and the true and pure philosophic religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay; but Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the God of Darkness and Evil.'"
3. 'Illustrious' Albert Pike 33° Sovereign Grand Commander Supreme Council 33° Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry Pg. 321
"Lucifer, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the son of the morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with it's splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual or selfish Souls? Doubt it not!"
4. Sovereign Grand Commander Albert Pike 33° Letter to Italian Grand Master Guiseppie Mazzini 33° 15 August 1871 Archives British Museum, London
"We shall unleash the Nihilists and Atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effects of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will be from that moment without compass, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view, a manifestation which will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."
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Post by Michael Wells on Aug 16, 2010 19:22:06 GMT -5
That stuff is EXTREMELY wicked and evil yet it's portrayed as good. Most of U.S. history was based off of Freemason politics. I've got the Morals and Dogma book, by Albert Pike. Have only skimmed thru it though
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 16, 2010 19:22:49 GMT -5
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 16, 2010 19:33:51 GMT -5
Masih ad-Dajjal ("The Deceiving Messiah"), is an evil figure in Islamic eschatology. He is to appear pretending to be God at a time in the future, before Yawm al-Qiyamah (The Day of Resurrection, Judgment Day). It is also believed by Muslims that Jesus will return at the time of the Dajjal and Jesus will be the one to eventually defeat the Dajjal.
Prophet Muhammad said: "I warn you against {antichrist} and every prophet warned his nation against him. But I am telling you something that no prophet has told his nation before me that he will be one eyed and GOD is not one eyed"
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Post by Ryan Thames on Aug 16, 2010 19:42:33 GMT -5
"in god we trust" is a blanket statement
To be more accurate to their Intensions it should read "in whatever god you believe you trust"
These are the people that strongly stress that we all worship the same god but in different ways.
In Christianity that concept is blasphemous.
True Christianity does not believe that we share a god with any other religion whatsoever.
A logical thought is this. God is who HE defines himself as. Not as we define him. Because he is god. He defines us.
Christians do not consider God as common or unholy. He us set apart. He is the indescribable one. The king of kings. Not a king among kings.
He is lord of lords.
He is holy. And worthy of praise according to his set methods of praise.
Outside of gods prescribed plan of salvation......
There is no salvation.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Aug 16, 2010 19:43:47 GMT -5
Masih ad-Dajjal ("The Deceiving Messiah"), is an evil figure in Islamic eschatology. He is to appear pretending to be God at a time in the future, before Yawm al-Qiyamah (The Day of Resurrection, Judgment Day). It is also believed by Muslims that Jesus will return at the time of the Dajjal and Jesus will be the one to eventually defeat the Dajjal. Prophet Muhammad said: " I warn you against {antichrist} and every prophet warned his nation against him. But I am telling you something that no prophet has told his nation before me that he will be one eyed and GOD is not one eyed" crazy the similarities with Christian prophecy
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 16, 2010 19:46:23 GMT -5
another subject,what do you guys believe about gog and magog? we also believe about them being evil things.but are they humans or creatures according to your belief?
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Post by Ryan Thames on Aug 16, 2010 19:47:58 GMT -5
another subject,what do you guys believe about gog and magog? we also believe about them being evil things.but are they humans or creatures according to your belief? I've heard preachers preacher that they are countries Specifically Russia, china and/or Iran
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 16, 2010 20:00:59 GMT -5
gog and magog are called as Ya'juj and Ma'juj in our belief.this story below is not from Quran but still is mentioned between the Muslims;
A short period after killing the Dajjal (anti-christ), Prophet Jesus will be informed of the release of Ya'juj and Ma'juj. Obeying GOD's command He will take the believers to Mount Tur (mount sinai)for their protection as nobody will be able to kill the Ya'juj Ma'juj. Ya'juj and Ma'juj will come forth from every lofty place causing destruction and bloodshed wherever they go. Their first batch will come to lake Tiberias and drink all of its water. Their last batch will come to it and say, "There was once water in this lake." Marching on, carrying out pillage and murder to their left and right they will come to mount of Khamr (a mountain in Jerusalem) and say, "We have killed the inhbitant of the Earth, let us now kill the inhabitants of heaven." Thus they will shoot their arrows towards the sky. GOD will return the arrows covered with blood and these fools will think they have killed those in the heaven. Mean while Prophet Jesus and his companions will remain confined until the head of an ox becomes more valuable than 100 gold coins. Prophet Jesus and his companions will pray for their destruction. GOD, answering their prayer will send insects upon the necks of Ya'juj Ma'juj and in the morning they will be found dead like one dead man. the believers not being able to hear their noise that morning will say "Will anybody sacrifice his life and see what the situation is." Volunteering, a believer will come down the mountain thinking that he will never return . However to his suprise he will find that they are all dead and he will shout, "Good news! Your enemy has died," Prophet Jesus and his companions will come down but will find that the earth is full with their stinking corpses. Yet again Prophet Jesus and his companions will turn to GOD and pray. GOD will send birds with necks like the necks of Bactarian camels which will carry the corpses and throw them where GOD wishes. Thereafter, GOD will send rain and the earth will be cleaned.
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