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Post by Michael Wells on Aug 16, 2010 20:04:27 GMT -5
Engin, I'm enjoying reading your comments. Like Ryan said, the similarities are amazing. I had no idea that Muslims respectfully recognized Jesus at all.
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 16, 2010 21:39:32 GMT -5
another subject,what do you guys believe about gog and magog? we also believe about them being evil things.but are they humans or creatures according to your belief? I've heard preachers preacher that they are countries Specifically Russia, china and/or Iran have you heard of Khazar Turks ?! please check : www.khazaria.com/www.khazaria.com/brook.htmlMedieval Kingdom of Khazaria, 652-1016 Over a thousand years ago, the far east of Europe was ruled by Jewish kings who presided over numerous tribes, including their own tribe: the Turkic Khazars. After their conversion, the Khazar people used Jewish personal names, spoke and wrote in Hebrew, were circumcised, had synagogues and rabbis, studied the Torah and Talmud, and observed Hanukkah, Pesach, and the Sabbath. The Khazars were an advanced civilization with one of the most tolerant societies of the medieval period. It hosted merchants from all over Asia and Europe. gog and magog are the Khazarian Turks according to Islamic belief; The great Muslim scholar, Ibn Kathir, when discussing the origins of ‘Yajuj wa Ma’juj’ (Gog and Magog) - the people who traditionally inhabited the area between the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea, which is where the Khazar kingdom was originally situated - in his historical work, Al-Bidayah wa'l-Nihayah (The Beginning and the End), specifically states that "Gog and Magog are two groups of Turks, descended from Yafith (Japheth), the father of the Turks, one of the sons of Noah." and who are the Khazar Turks today? they are the Ashkenazi Jews who now live in Israel with the Sephardic Jews. some members of this board will remember that i posted how Ashkenazi Jews (Khazarians) radiated 100.000 of Sephardic Jews children,right after the creation of Israel; The 100,000 Sephardic Jewish Children "Ringworm" Victims Of European Zionist Khazar Brutality via radiation "David Deri, makes the point that only Sephardi children received the x-rays. “ I was in class and the men came to take us on a tour. They asked our names. The Ashkenazi children [descendents of European Jews] were told to return to their seats. The dark children were put on the bus.” A Moroccan woman: “ It was a Holocaust, a Sephardi Holocaust. And what I want to know is why no one stood up to stop it.” deceivedworld.blogspot.com/2010/06/ringworm-children-zionist-eugenics-of.html booksinternationale.pbworks.com/The+Ringworm+Children so in short,Khazarian Turks,who had Khazar Empire under the Jews religion (nothing to do with the Turkish people of Anatolia),are the Ashkenazi Jews in Israel today.who radiated 100.000 of Asian Jews Sephardics to be able to control Zionist government. " The strangest fact is that the name of the Ashkenazim, the bulk whom I see as the descendents of the Khazars, points towards the old grounds of the Khazars around the Caucasus... According to the explanation by the Talmud, Ashkenaz thus means a country near the Black Sea between Ararat and the Caucasus, within the original region of the Khazar empire. The name with which the Sefardim indicate their co-religionists from Poland already gives the explanation for the real descent, from the countries in the Caucasus." - Hugo Freiherr von Kutschera, in Die Chasaren: Historische Studie (Vienna: A. Holzhausen, 1910). " The problem with this long-held notion that the Jews and their Yiddish pushed ever eastward is one of numbers. Three million Jews eventually settled in Eastern Europe; only a fraction of that kind of population could have possibly migrated east from Germany. More likely, goes a rising tide of opinion, Yiddish spread in the opposite direction, westward from Russia. The population explosion in Eastern European Jews can probably be accounted for by the voluntary mass conversion to Judaism in 740 C.E. by the Turkic Khazars, who had settled on the steppes of southern Russia." - Neal Karlen, in The Story of Yiddish: How a Mish-mosh of Languages Saved the Jews (New York: William Morrow, 2008), page 62.
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 16, 2010 22:05:28 GMT -5
Engin, I'm enjoying reading your comments. Like Ryan said, the similarities are amazing. I had no idea that Muslims respectfully recognized Jesus at all. every Muslim loves and respects Jesus (peace be upon him) as much as he-she loves prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). so Christians better not turn their heads on Muslims to find anti-christ.we also wait for the return of Jesus to fight anti-christ.i am sure Christians will be able to see who wants to destroy them in reality. i show you one verse from Quran; "The Romans have been defeated
"In the nearer land, and they, after their defeat will be victorious
"Within ten years - Allah's is the command in the former case and in the latter - and in that day believers will rejoice .
"In Allah's help to victory. He helpeth to victory whom He will. He is the Mighty, the Merciful." Quran (Pickthal translation), 30:2-5 The period of the revelation of this Surah is determined absolutely by the historical event that has been mentioned at the outset. It says: "The Romans have been vanquished in the neighboring land." In those days the Byzantine occupied territories adjacent to Arabia were Jordan, Syria and Palestine, and in these territories the Romans were completely overpowered by the Iranians in 615 A. D. Therefore, it can be said with absolute certainty that this Surah was sent down in the same year, and this was the year in which the migration to Habash took place. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahin%27s_invasion_of_Asia_Minor_(615)1. that the Roman [Byzantine] Christians, although they have been vanquished at this time, will predominate over Iran after nine years; 2. that the Muslims shall also rejoice on the day of the Romans' victory over Iran; for they, too, shall gain victory over shirk (associating partners with GOD), although the idolaters, at that time, prided exultantly over their huge numbers." Both prophecies were actually fulfilled within ten years in 624 C.E. during the fixed period of time, exactly after nine years, the Roman armies entered Iran triumphantly, and on the same day Muslims also scored their victory against the idolaters on the field of Badr. The event of the Roman victory took place in 624. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khosrau_IIUltimately, in 622, the Byzantine Emperor Heraclius (who had succeeded Phocas in 610 and ruled until 641) was able to take the field with a powerful force. In 624, he advanced into northern Media, where he destroyed the great fire-temple of Ganzhak (Gazaca). Several years later, in 626, he captured Lazistan (Colchis). Later that same year, Persian general Shahrbaraz advanced to Chalcedon and attempted to capture Constantinople with the help of Persia's Avar allies. His maneuver failed as his forces were defeated, and he withdrew his army from Anatolia later in 628.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Aug 16, 2010 22:36:40 GMT -5
I do not believe the Antichrist is going to be Muslim.
I love and pray for Israel and the Jewish people. But I would probably put money on the Antichrist being Jewish. Illuminati or a member of any secret orginization.
I say he will likely be Jewish because the Jews will be decieved by him and then awaken to reality after he defiles the temple. I don't really have much to back this up. Just a thought I've always had. A simple logical assessment.
The temple that hasn't been built yet tho they have been training priest for for decades.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Aug 16, 2010 22:42:06 GMT -5
He will be illuminatti, freemason or the like because in order for this temple to be built there must be an organization powerful enough to control Christians, Jews and Muslims in order to build this temple without a major holy war.
Some secret societies require that you believe in a monotheistic religion. Christianity, Judaism and Islam are the only monotheistic religions in the world.
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 17, 2010 7:59:02 GMT -5
He will be illuminatti, freemason or the like because in order for this temple to be built there must be an organization powerful enough to control Christians, Jews and Muslims in order to build this temple without a major holy war. Some secret societies require that you believe in a monotheistic religion. Christianity, Judaism and Islam are the only monotheistic religions in the world. illimunati seems to be the elite group of the masons.in another saying it is the highest level of those secret organisation chain.what i also realise that they are the modern version of the idol worshippers.i seriously thought those people were gone forever but when i read more i realise that they worship anything except GOD. " So then Because OUR ANCIENT BRETHREN -- 'THE OLD SUN-WORSHIPERS' -- MET ON THE HIGHEST HILLS TO WORSHIP BAAL, OR THE SUN-GOD, AND FREEMASONRY BEING THAT SAME WORSHIP REVIVED, IT MUST NECESSARILY FOLLOW THAT MASONIC LODGES MUST BE HELD IN THE HIGHEST ROOMS OF BUILDINGS, TO CARRY OUT THE COINCIDENCE." Quoted from The Mosonic Report, McQuaig, p. 15. " MASONRY HAS NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH THE BIBLE, THAT IT IS NOT FOUNDED ON THE BIBLE, FOR IF IT WERE IT WOULD NOT BE MASONRY, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING ELSE." Quoted from The Masonic Report, McQuaig, p. 2. " Whenever you see any of our signs made by a brother Mason, and especially the grand hailing sign of distress, you must always be sure to obey them, even at the risk of your life. If you're on a jury, and the defendant is a Mason, and makes the Grand Hailing sign, you must obey it; you must DISAGREE WITH YOUR BROTHER JURORS, IF NECESSARY; BUT YOU MUST BE SURE NOT TO BRING THE MASON GUILTY FOR THAT WOULD BRING DISGRACE UPON THE ORDER. IT MAY BE PERJURY, TO BE SURE, TO DO THIS, BUT THEN YOU'RE FULFILLING YOUR OBLIGATION, AND YOU KNOW IF YOU LIVE UP TO YOUR OBLIGATIONS YOU'LL BE FREE FROM SIN." Quoted in The Masonic Report, McQuaig, p. 9.
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 17, 2010 9:13:45 GMT -5
back to the Ashkenazi Jews who are the biggest part of the Israel today, being the Khazar Turks. please read the full text carefully on this web site: www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_zion34.htm" Modern scholars have, however, begun to question whether all who consider themselves Jews are in fact Jews at all. There is mounting evidence that the great majority of Jews today (the Ashkenazim or Eastern European Jews) are not the offspring of Abraham, but descendants of the ancient Central European nation of Khazaria, converted to Judaism in 740 A.D." " Who were the Khazars? Where had they come from?" " The country of the Khazars, a people of Turkish stock, occupied a strategic key position at the vital gateway between the Black Sea and the Caspian, where the great eastern powers of the period confronted each other". " The Khazars, according to the Encyclopedia Judaica, may have been the descendants of Attila the Hun. Like other Turkish peoples they manifested the strongest warlike traits yet were often gifted with commercial and artistic genius. At the peak of their prosperity and power they exacted tribute from no fewer than 30 nations of Central Europe over whom they held undisputed dominion." who are the Turkic tribes; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkic_peoplesThe Turks (or Turkics) are peoples residing in northern, central and western Asia, Mongolia, southern Siberia and northwestern China and parts of eastern Europe. They speak languages belonging to the Turkic language family. They share, to varying degrees, certain cultural traits and historical backgrounds. The term Turkic represents a broad ethno-linguistic group of people including existing societies such as the Chuvashes, Kazakhs, Tatars, Kyrgyzs, Turkish, Turkmen, Uyghur, Uzbeks, Bashkirs, Qashqai, Gagauzs, Yakuts, Crimean Karaites, Krymchaks, Karakalpaks, Karachays, Krymchaks, Nogais and as well as past civilizations such as the Kumans, Kipchaks, Avars, Turgeshs, Seljuks, Khazars, Ottomans, Mamluks, Timurids, and possibly the Xiongnu and Huns According to Mahmud of Kashgar, an eleventh century Turkic scholar, and various other traditional Islamic scholars and historians, the name "Turk" stems from Tur, one of the sons of Japheth, and comes from the same lineage as Gomer (Cimmerians) and Ashkenaz (Scythians, Ishkuz) who, according to tradition, were some of the earliest Turks. The Hun hordes of Attila, who invaded and conquered much of Europe in the 5th century, might have been Turkic and descendants of the Xionghu. Some scholars argue that the Huns were one of the earlier Turkic tribes, while others argue that they were of Mongolic origin. linguistic studies by Otto Maenchen-Helfen's support a Turkic origin. However, there were also (and still are) small groups of Turkic people belonging to other religions, including Christians, Jews (Khazars), Buddhists, and Zoroastrians. Jewish Scholar Shlomo Sand; " Centuries later, the people of the Khazar kingdom in what is today south Russia, would convert en masse to Judaism, becoming the genesis of the Ashkenazi Jews of central and eastern Europe." here is another info about Khazar language is classified under the Turkic language; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oghur_languages also on the wide list of Turkic language members (Khazar at the bottom of the list); en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkic_languages#Members so in short the Khazars were Turkic origin people,who were converted to Judaism and now are called Ashkenazi Jews who are the biggest part of the Jews population on the earth today.they are not the descendants of the prophet Abraham and one of the biggest problem about their immigration to Israel,is this matter. it is also believed today's Palestenians were the original descendants of the Jews but they were converted to Islam after the spread of Islam. i am not saying that there is no Jews who are the descendants of prophet Abraham.Sephardic Jews population whose children were radiated by the Ashkenazi Jews,are the original Jews descendants of Abraham.they are today 30% of the Israeli population.
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Post by Robert Bishop on Aug 17, 2010 14:27:13 GMT -5
i believe the antichrist could be a JEW, RUSSIAN, or even a Muslim because Russia has alot of them. I was always told that GOG/ MAGOG was the area of old north of i believe the black sea--------just north of Persia. One of the names represented the area and the other represented the chief spirit/princapality over Russia
Like in revelations it says to release the four angels that are bound in the great river 1st Babylon 2nd Persia 3rd Greece 4th Rome at the fall of each empire the chief princapality was bound--------just a opinion
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Post by Robert Bishop on Aug 17, 2010 14:38:21 GMT -5
in revelations it says that there are seven kings 5 are fallen 1 is and another is not yet come and when he comes he will continue a short space and the beast is the 8th
1 Egypt
2 Assyrian
3 Babylon
4 Persia
5 Greece
6 Rome at the time of writing
7 ? / Mystery Babylon
8 THE Beast
The bible says the woman/mystery Bablon is riding on the Beast --------during the 7th empire--------but the Beast will rise up from under her and destroy her
I believe we are on the verge of the 7th ---------i also believe the US is Mystery Babylon because John had no name to call us when he saw his visions --------he probably saw that we controled the area that was Babylon---------that is just my opinion
It is my opinion they are moving us toward one world government in which they have already talked of having it broke down into 10 areas----------thats interesting 7continents 10reg
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Post by Ryan Thames on Aug 17, 2010 15:33:11 GMT -5
Engin
I mentioned once before. The worship practices of the higher up secret societies or "societies with secrets"
That conversation didn't go well. But that didn't make it any less true. Lol
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 17, 2010 15:37:01 GMT -5
i heard they did not allow the Mosque at the ground zero.i am happy about it.Islam is a peace religion and it should not be used to create hate or anger in other people.if they need Mosque then there will be another place to build it.Mosques are the Houses of GOD for the Muslims and it does not matter where they are built at.
but why did they even bring this subject till here? did they not know that public would react? is that what they wanted? refresh the anger towards Muslims? not a GODly way!
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Post by Michael Wells on Aug 17, 2010 15:56:54 GMT -5
I heard Obama, in his speech, to go ahead with building it. Did I miss something?
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 17, 2010 16:10:50 GMT -5
Obama: "I was not commenting, and I will not comment, on the wisdom of making the decision to put a mosque there. I was commenting very specifically on the right people have that dates back to our founding. That's what our country is about.'' ALBANY, N.Y. -- Gov. David Paterson, who last week suggested that a proposed Islamic center and mosque near ground zero might want to consider a different location, will meet soon with the developers, a spokesman said Tuesday. www.news4jax.com/politics/24660130/detail.html
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Post by Ryan Thames on Aug 17, 2010 17:09:50 GMT -5
As far as I can tell they are still going through with it
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Post by Robert Bishop on Aug 18, 2010 14:08:38 GMT -5
i was listening to Jay Sekulow and he was talking of how Nancy P[sp/] is calling for a investigation------only she wants it to be of the wrong people ------------i cant stand her as much or more than Obama From i hear they already have over a 100 mosque in NY ----------the groop wanting to open it has been known to support terrorism---------there should be a investigation but it should be of some of our leaders for pushing this so hard To me something just dosent seem right------like there is some other reason unknown to the public as to why they are pushing this so hard I wonder why they dont call for the rebuilding of the Greek Orthodox Christian church -------i never even knew there was one at that location until i heard Jay talk about it if the mosque was built in that spot how long do you think it would take some muslims to turn that into a monumental place in which their god gave them a victory over the so called great satan
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