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Post by Michael Wells on Aug 20, 2010 8:47:01 GMT -5
Bush was far from a Christian and the "war" wasn't based off what we were told. He's a snake as well
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 20, 2010 9:29:30 GMT -5
then tell me,what was Bush? and what was the reason of the wars? why did US give chemical & bioligical material to Saddam who used them against Iran & Kurds? and how come it became a reason for Bush to destroy Iraq? dont get me wrong,Saddam's system had nothing to do with Islamic teachings,he was a dictator.i never ever liked him !! not even when US liked and used him ! why did Bush declare "HOLY WAR" against Muslims? if Obama is a Muslim then why his White House Chief of Staff ,is Rahm Emanuel? my opinion is that there is no difference between democrats and republicans.i believe they are just part of the same plan.just switching the control for fulfilling the plan.i remember holywood movies with black American president,with woman American president in 90s.it was just to make public get ready for what was already planned for today. after Bush administration the world was full of anti American feelings and a Black American President was planned to change this view,esspecially if certain powers choosed "A MUSLIM IMAGE" for the new president(all these plans were made long time ago).they are just playing with the minds of people.my honest opinion is both Muslims and Christians are brought a point to kill eachother to serve an evil plan. Christians and Muslims believe that Messiah has already come,and Jesus will come again as both religions believe.so why American money,lives,image etc needs to be sacrificed for the sake of so called messiah coming? the plan of Theodor Herzl,Father of Zionism movement ; “It is essential that the sufferings of Jews.. . become worse. . . this will assist in realization of our plans. . .I have an excellent idea. . . I shall induce anti-Semites to liquidate Jewish wealth. . . The anti-Semites will assist us thereby in that they will strengthen the persecution and oppression of Jews. The anti-Semites shall be our best friends”. (From his Diary, Part I, pp. 16) it also makes perfect with the words of David Ben-Gurion in 1938: "If I knew it was possible to save all the children in Germany by taking them to England, and only half of the children by taking them to Eretz Israel, I would choose the second solution. For we must take into account not only the lives of these children but also the history of the people of Israel." i mean Einstein surely was "SMART ENOUGH ;D " to realise the trap,even though he was a Jew.because he knew that what was happenning had nothing to do with Judaism. Einstein Letter Warning Of Zionist Facism In IsraelLetter That Albert Einstein Sent to the New York Times 1948, Protesting the Visit of Menachem Begin; full letter: www.rense.com/general59/ein.htmselect.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.h....alestine&st=csebeginning of the letter; "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine. The current visit of Menachem Begin, leader of this party, to the United States is obviously calculated to give the impression of American support for his party in the coming Israeli elections, and to cement political ties with conservative Zionist elements in the United States. Several Americans of national repute have lent their names to welcome his visit. It is inconceivable that those who oppose fascism through out the world, if correctly informed as to Mr. Begin's political record and perspectives, could add their names and support to the movement he represents." but even being honest and most intelligent man ever,was not enough to stop this plan.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Aug 20, 2010 10:09:22 GMT -5
You pose great questions....
Bush claimed to be Christian. But he showed his true colors especially In his last two years.
I believe bush and obama are on the same team. It's like pro wrestling. They publicly hate each because they are told to publicly hate each other.
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 20, 2010 10:57:42 GMT -5
You pose great questions.... Bush claimed to be Christian. But he showed his true colors especially In his last two years. I believe bush and obama are on the same team. It's like pro wrestling. They publicly hate each because they are told to publicly hate each other. and isnt the idea of building a Mosque on 9-11 attack,another attemp to bring Americans' anger on Muslims? some may have good intentions by creating the idea but was it so hard to imagine the reaction against the idea? why did officials allow this? what would Muslims lose if they build the Mosque somewhere else? why exactly on 9-11 area? i am a Muslim and i thought it was a joke when i first heard about it.because i could immedietly imagine the reactions against it. we all will be independant minds once we learn to judge things not by how it looks but by its results. what will Islam gain by building a Mosque on there with receiving the hate and anger in USA? will it create "FRESH PUBLIC SUPPORT" on so-called holy war? Obama is a Muslim but no one else knew about it in US services? or they knew it but still allowed this? or his "CREATED" Muslim image will cause "FRESH PUBLIC SUPPORT" on so called "HOLY WAR"? why there always need to be some "NEWS" about Muslims that creates anti-Islamic results? building a Mosque on ground zero? Obama is a "Muslim" ? these are all somethings that Muslims do not need,nor gain anything by. maybe Quran burning day in Florida was an idea to create a reaction in Islamic world,as well? and this will cause another Christian-Muslim conflict. and will we again see dancing Israelis around?
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Post by John Wilson on Aug 20, 2010 11:12:20 GMT -5
Engin,
I think you answered your own questions.
There is a famous quote by the writer Mark Twain. "Serial stupidity is a sign of conscious intent." He is right. When someone goes out of their way to be blindly stupid, there is intent. The confusion is on our end when we try to give this person (or group) the benefit of the doubt.
Building a mosque at this site must be intended to generate anti-Muslim feelings and controversy. An idiot could foresee the consequences of doing such a thing. And if they did not see it before, they see it now. It is a national headline every day. So, obviously there is intent.
Why?
Because drama and controversy get people heated up. People around the world who hate America will send money to this group to make sure this mosque gets built. It is a finger in the eye of Americans. Secondly, the anti-Muslim feelings that are sure to result will give the America-haters something to rally against. "See? Americans DO hate Muslims! We told you!" And who will be there to defend the Muslim who feels he is being treated badly? Haha- CAIR and every other America-hating, terror supporting group.
Trust me: this is not new logic. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson have made fortunes by breeding hate between people. With peace there is no need for anyone to stand up against the people in power. With peace there is no money to be made by the hate-mongers.
Nobody donates money to defenders of a cause when there is peace. It is only when feelings are high that the average person feels threatened and seeks help or supports a group that he feels is there to help him.
Conscious intent. It works.
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Post by Robert Bishop on Aug 20, 2010 16:11:10 GMT -5
Robert - how do you know the "group" that is building the mosque "supports terrorism"? Can you direct me to a source on the internet that has proof of this? Bottom line, whether we like it or not, everyone has the right to build whatever they choose on their own property, provided it fall under guidelines that govern that piece of property, i.e. civic clubs, city codes, etc. We also have a freedom of religion in this country. As such, any religious group can build wherever they see fit. Of course we all question the reasoning behind this but maybe instead of looking at the negative we should try to find a positive. Perhaps the Muslim community may be trying to show something good and positive to come out of something horrendous that happened in this location. We all saw what negative/fanatical religion caused. Maybe they're trying to show us what positive religion can do. Or possibly change our viewpoint of the Muslim faith as a whole. Most people frown upon it due to the insane actions of some, never stopping to think that all the Muslim believers are not insane killers. Just a thought. are you saying they should ignore the 70% of Americans who disagree? I dont have a problem with a mosque because its our laws but i have a problem with it being where it is I dont believe the madia-------Engin i'm sure you have enough comon sense to know enough not to believe all the media over there aclj.org i listen to Jay Sekulow when i can-----who is a christian lawer-----they want it built against the law
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 21, 2010 6:18:37 GMT -5
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Post by Michael Wells on Aug 21, 2010 7:47:30 GMT -5
Its actually a block and a half away. They have every legal right to put it there. That same right allows us to put churches. It's all in principle. It's like that big poke in the side after you and your brother gets in a fight. It's the same principle and reason that Japan didn't put a Buddhist temple at/really friggin close to Pearl Harbor.
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Post by Michael Wells on Aug 21, 2010 8:03:00 GMT -5
I meant Japanese-Americans and/or Buddhists in general
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 21, 2010 8:26:43 GMT -5
i believe that dishonesty started with the statement "Mosque on ground zero".it could have been said "Mosque near ground zero" but it was choosed to be said in untruthful way,which i should expect.
i seriously did not know that Japanese lived in pearl harbor when that attack happenned,same as American Muslims was already living in NY when 9-11 happenned.
if pearl harbor attack was the reason for the none existence of the buddist temples in pearl harbor (since you mentioned why Japanese did not built temple there) then i believe that no church should be allowed within the borders of Japan since Nagasaki and Hirosima is way too huge compared to ground zero and pearl harbor.
how far the Mosque should be away from Ground Zero,since it is not at all planned to be on ground zero?
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Post by Bob Paradis on Aug 21, 2010 10:37:57 GMT -5
i believe that dishonesty started with the statement " Mosque on ground zero".it could have been said "Mosque near ground zero" but it was choosed to be said in untruthful way,which i should expect. i seriously did not know that Japanese lived in pearl harbor when that attack happenned,same as American Muslims was already living in NY when 9-11 happenned. if pearl harbor attack was the reason for the none existence of the buddist temples in pearl harbor (since you mentioned why Japanese did not built temple there) then i believe that no church should be allowed within the borders of Japan since Nagasaki and Hirosima is way too huge compared to ground zero and pearl harbor. how far the Mosque should be away from Ground Zero,since it is not at all planned to be on ground zero? Really, that's a good question. Should the answer be any different for a Church or a Mosque? I don't think so. Remember, innocent Muslims died in the Twin Towers attack. It is much more important for us to have freedom of religion than freedom from religion. Law abiding, non terrorist minded Muslims, should be welcome here. Hate monger, anti-religion folks are much more of a threat (that does not include all atheists, so no need to slam me for being hard on atheists) Well, we both agree that the New York Times is a pile of trash. Fortunately, the news media in the US is now wide open. It's difficult to trust any one source, but you can use reason to at least have an idea as to what might be the truth, but you can never be sure. That's better than trusting a media empire controlled by the few. Hopefully the entire world benefits from the INTERNET and the opening of intellectual boarders outside tightly controlled news sources.
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Post by Michael Wells on Aug 21, 2010 10:57:56 GMT -5
Ok well I guess I was wrong. I hate that. What was the reaction of the people when they did it? I'm assuming less anger because of less media and propaganda. I agree that the media is sparking anger in society. On the other hand, I think it's disrespectful to put the Mosque/Community Center near GZ. If the agenda is pure hearted and exactly what the Muslim community says it is, then maybe it's ok. Like it was mentioned earlier, there is an agenda behind everything, especially if it's deep rooted in the media. I don't trust either side honestly.
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Post by Robert Bishop on Aug 21, 2010 11:10:53 GMT -5
Mike you are wrong because they dont have the right to put it at that building because they dont even own half the building like is required
It may be a block away but it was close enough to get damaged at 9 11
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Aug 21, 2010 11:13:21 GMT -5
I disagree Karen. This country is supposed to be a democracy, for the people by the people. Our opinion is what should run this country if 70% says no then it should be no. Thats not a democracy if our vote of opinion doesn't count. What makes the politicians opinion over rule ours? This is NOT a dictatorship. Well nvm I take that back it is.. I personally don't care about a mosque being built, building it that close is very quetionable an i think out of respect they could build it maybe a couple more blocks away, but if over half of america is saying no then it should be no. I understand we have a our amendments but how many times does the gov throw those out to do what the hell they wanna do, same should apply to us if we as a majority say NO then no it should be. The majority should always over- rule the minority.
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Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Aug 21, 2010 11:40:01 GMT -5
A Greek Orthodox church was ONE block form ground zero and DESTROYED....A CHURCH CLOSER than the Mosque "asking to be built"..AND they have been denied...An already standing church, and its been DENIED!
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