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Post by Michael Wells on Aug 21, 2010 11:50:21 GMT -5
A Greek Orthodox church was ONE block form ground zero and DESTROYED....A CHURCH CLOSER than the Mosque "asking to be built"..AND they have been denied...An already standing church, and its been DENIED! If this is true, this changes EVERYTHING.
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 21, 2010 12:13:43 GMT -5
i think democracy is not something that majority takes the rights of minority.if the mosque will not be even seing from ground zero (which i did not know) then it is beyond the respect for 9-11 victims.it is more likely an Islamofobic movement.i am not saying that its right place to build the mosque.all i am saying that it sounds like its beyond the respect for 9-11 victims since it is incorrectly advertised as "mosque on ground zero" .i also think that bulding a mosque at 2 blocks away should not receive as much negative reaction as building a mosque "ON GROUND ZERO".so when all these are considered together then i realise that it is taken as an opportunity for anti-Islamic feelings to be puked all over.i do not mean the public,i mean "certain ones" who advertised this matter in a provacative way.
if building a church was denied then it is obvious that the mosque building permition was given on purpose to create all this anti-islamic feelings as a nation wide campaign.
but why? another holywar is starting? will they find a connection between this mosque and Ahmedinecad?
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 21, 2010 12:30:48 GMT -5
it is the fault of those Muslims who should not allow this to happen,and build their Mosque somewhere else.
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Aug 21, 2010 15:41:40 GMT -5
Democracy IS the majority over the minority it's called majority vote. An when our nation disagrees as a whole then that should be something that action should be taken for. The government gets their way all the time it's time to start letting us have our way when we speak as a whole or this country will surely not stand much longer.
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 21, 2010 15:52:11 GMT -5
i did not know that there was an official voting which represanted the public.once again,democracy is not something which majority takes the rights (which are given by the LAW) of the minority.how far could it go? could the 70% bring the slavery back and chain the blacks again just because they are minority? maybe even take the properties of the minorities since majority is over minority? how far could this go? majority can act against the law ?
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Post by Giles Russell on Aug 21, 2010 19:08:41 GMT -5
For those who don't know, we are not a democracy btw. We are a republic. Meaning we have a representative government. We use a democratic process (majority vote) to elect our representatives then, they are supposed to carry out the will of their constituents on the state and national levels. This is off topic, but a few changes I would love too see are: Term limits for all senators and congressmen (like 2 maximum). This would get rid of the career politicians who are pandering to a voting block and special interest. And, if you don't pay a certain amount of taxes, you don't get to vote. No reason for folks that don't pay into the system getting to call the shots! Which I think the "fair tax" plan would solve that and fix a bunch of our other problems with our unconstitutional tax code. Oh, and I don't like the mosque 2 blocks away from ground zero either, for whatever reason. It just don't feel right...call me a bigot.
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Post by Carey Nick on Aug 21, 2010 19:53:46 GMT -5
Then I am a Bigot right along with you.
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 21, 2010 20:09:03 GMT -5
i think out of respect they could build it maybe a couple more blocks away,. ok,i have missed this line.so they can build the mosque 3,5 blocks away (1,5 + 2 = 3,5). 3,5 blocks away from ground zero is the key for the mosque place.so problem is fixed,they dont build at 1,5 block away but they build at 3,5 blocks away and all is fine.it is all about a couple more blocks.but that 70% agree with you?
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 21, 2010 20:18:56 GMT -5
I disagree Karen. This country is supposed to be a democracy, for the people by the people.. For those who don't know, we are not a democracy btw. We are a republic. Meaning we have a representative government. We use a democratic process (majority vote) to elect our representatives then, they are supposed to carry out the will of their constituents on the state and national levels. . did you read that Johnny since you started the democracy topic as an American?
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 21, 2010 20:20:18 GMT -5
oh sorry,is that the reason of Democrats and Republicans competetion? ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Aug 22, 2010 10:40:24 GMT -5
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Aug 22, 2010 10:44:07 GMT -5
Republic an democracy overlap im not stupid bro. We go by a majority vote.
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Aug 22, 2010 10:46:01 GMT -5
Fact: The U.S. is a representative democracy in every branch of government.
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Aug 22, 2010 10:46:23 GMT -5
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 22, 2010 11:08:37 GMT -5
what part do you want me read between those hundreds of lines on wikipedia? back to the subject; 1. there is no official voting happenned 2. what will they ask to people if there would be a voting? a) no mosque at ground zero
b) no mosque at 1,5 block away from ground zero
c) no mosque at 3,5 block away from ground zero
d) no mosque in manhattan
e) no mosque in NY
f) no mosque in USA
g)mosque can be build anywhere that is not against the law 3. is the law not made by the represantatives of the public? 4. does anyone have right to act against the law? 5. if yes,then is it democracy? 6. in democracies the votings are done through media? 7. is there any law against building a mosque 1,5 block away from ground zero? i am not saying that it is a right place to choose for building a mosque at 1,5 block away from ground zero.but being against this has nothing to do with democracy,opposite way, trying to stop something which is not against the law,is something against democracy. according to your understanding 70% public vote through media ( ) can decide anything.no Johnny,public elects governments and governments run the state according to the rules.public makes choices whenever it is brought to their voting.if government does not listen UNOFFICIAL voice of the public then they pay the price at the elections. so in short this subject has nothing to do with democracy or law.and if it has something to do with democracy and law then it works against the nay sayers in this case. this matter has something to do with being sensitive to the public expectations. i still think that it is a wrong choice to build the Mosque there and people who plans to do this should respect the expectations of the majority.but from other side the subject needs to be named as how it is,not as "MOSQUE ON GROUND ZERO".it is not on ground zero,so say it how its.no need to provocate extremists against the Muslims. do not say " i do not want mosque on ground zero" but say " i do not want mosque even near ground zero",honesty requires this detail.
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