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Post by Jake Smith on Sept 14, 2010 22:48:13 GMT -5
Im wondering why Gary floats his own bill to go to tournaments? I think it would make sense to have "media" IF the promoter wants it, to be covered in the total expense of putting together a tournament. At least half of Air Fare I think would be fair. I know if Im a promoter i want ArmTV coverage there and i want others to see the top names that come to my tournament. You pay for trophies or prize money, refs, why does gary need to pay his whole way to make it to a tournament in bum fuc*. I can understand the whole thing travel cost being an expense of having a business but most of us will agree that ArmTV is a great tool and LUXURY to have. ArmTv Haters, you may now respond
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Post by Shaun Edwards on Sept 14, 2010 23:07:55 GMT -5
100% Agree
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Post by Gary Roberts on Sept 14, 2010 23:28:24 GMT -5
before everyone gets too crazy with this, I would like to say that I have tried to make it the goal of ARM TV to cover expenses but in 7 years and membership either always contracting or staying flat, the dollar being devalued, rising costs...if membership doesn't grow... we are left with not many options... This subject has been waying on my mind for many months now and I am running out of solutions. You all may have to prepare for an armwrestling world...that has no ARM TV.
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Post by Bill Collins on Sept 14, 2010 23:53:40 GMT -5
Im wondering why Gary floats his own bill to go to tournaments? I think it would make sense to have "media" IF the promoter wants it, to be covered in the total expense of putting together a tournament. At least half of Air Fare I think would be fair. I know if Im a promoter i want ArmTV coverage there and i want others to see the top names that come to my tournament. You pay for trophies or prize money, refs, why does gary need to pay his whole way to make it to a tournament in bum fuc*. I can understand the whole thing travel cost being an expense of having a business but most of us will agree that ArmTV is a great tool and LUXURY to have. ArmTv Haters, you may now respond There are two sides to look at....For the most part, i usually kick ARMtv down room accommodations, not 100% but more so than not... for a promoter to pay for ARMtv air and get nothing in return but exposure, is not always a good ROI.... The other side: I guess you can spin it around and say welcome to our event ARMtv we won't charge you to film and you can enhance your members with my event.... I'm feeling ARMtv crunch as all of us are getting hammered...Hope ARMtv can weather the storm...
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Post by Jake Smith on Sept 15, 2010 0:53:50 GMT -5
i can see that side Mr Collins but who benefits from charging anybody to film an event that has poor exposure already. If i dont make it out to a tournament for whatever reason and i see it on Armtv and i see it was huge crazy tournament or i see that great talent that showed then believe me i will definitely want to go to that tournament next year. I would want all media to cover my event.
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Post by Eric Roussin on Sept 15, 2010 10:25:08 GMT -5
I think the decision about who should foot the bill for ArmTV coverage should be determined by who it is that most needs the coverage. There are a few key events that I think Gary absolutely needs to cover for his business to attract customers. Events like the Unified Nationals and big pro events such as the UAL fit into this category. If these events weren’t covered and I was a paying customer, I would be disappointed. In these cases, although it would be great for the tournament promoter to pay for Gary’s travel, Gary may not have a choice as he kind of needs to be there. However, if a promoter wants ArmTV coverage and his/her event may not have the same level of draw, he/she would likely need to pay for most of Gary’s expenses, as the coverage is more important to the promoter than it is to Gary. For example, when I ran an event called the Battle in the Capital II in 2005, I wanted Gary to be there but the event didn’t have much of a built up reputation, so I paid for the majority of his expenses.
On a side note, I think the value of the ArmTV service has significantly increased over the past year. With playback speed options and the ability to search for specific matches without having to sift through hours of video, researching match history has never been so easy. New footage that gets added has pre-tagged matches so going forward any video captured by ArmTV will be sliced and diced for easy reference. For me, these features are a god send. The research time involved for updating rankings has been considerably shortened. It would be very difficult to adjust to diminished tournament coverage, interviews, etc. and it would take away a lot of the excitement in the sport. I, for one, really hope that ArmTV sticks around and continues to get the support it deserves.
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Post by Anthony Edens on Sept 15, 2010 10:28:19 GMT -5
Sometimes he does charge. I think a possible solution would be to contract some more videographers like Mike West, where he sends in the video. I know the tripod shot doesn't capture the same excitement as Gary on stage, but it is better than nothing at all.
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Post by Bill Collins on Sept 15, 2010 10:28:34 GMT -5
i can see that side Mr Collins but who benefits from charging anybody to film an event that has poor exposure already. If i dont make it out to a tournament for whatever reason and i see it on Armtv and i see it was huge crazy tournament or i see that great talent that showed then believe me i will definitely want to go to that tournament next year. I would want all media to cover my event. Agree, I'm not opposed, just may not be affordable on the ROI. In some cases....
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Post by Karen Bean on Sept 15, 2010 15:12:04 GMT -5
Im wondering why Gary floats his own bill to go to tournaments? I think it would make sense to have "media" IF the promoter wants it, to be covered in the total expense of putting together a tournament. At least half of Air Fare I think would be fair. I know if Im a promoter i want ArmTV coverage there and i want others to see the top names that come to my tournament. You pay for trophies or prize money, refs, why does gary need to pay his whole way to make it to a tournament in bum fuc*. I can understand the whole thing travel cost being an expense of having a business but most of us will agree that ArmTV is a great tool and LUXURY to have. ArmTv Haters, you may now respond Jake - Gary is already getting his expenses covered....................by the armwrestlers that pay membership fees to ArmTV. Gary started a business and with any business there comes expenses. Fact of life. And, Gary does NOT have to travel to any events in "bum f.." as you call them. All he has to to is pay someone $10 or $20 to film it for him and mail it to him. Or, in the case of certain people, they not only film it, they tag the matches, and upload it to his server which costs him absolutely nothing in expenses.
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Post by Bruce Urabe on Sept 15, 2010 15:27:07 GMT -5
I most definitely agree with Eric. Gary should not get paid by promoters of the events that he should be at, but for the smaller ones...if they want Gary himself to be there should. Or even for the exposure with someone else taking the video and sending it in. It is advertising to say the least. You don't fight with newspapers or local advertising agents about there prices do you? In other words...i'm not gonna just invite Gary to come all the way to Hawaii to film my low-be tourny with no one important and expect him to pay his own way.
I also believe it should be this way with some of the bigger named arm wrestlers who are main attractions sometimes. If they want to come to your tourny sure they can pay there way, but if you want them to show and they weren't planning on it then you should pay them. In other words if I wanted John Brzenk to come to my tourny...i would pay him to unless he happend to be planning on showing up anyways, which is highly unlikely. Even if that was the case i'd try to compensate him in some way or another.
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Post by David Owens on Sept 15, 2010 17:01:40 GMT -5
I think it would be good for Gary to have several people all over the nation that for a fee would not only set up tripod but do what Gary does. setting up a tripod is NOT the equivilent of haveing Arm TV at your event!!!
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Post by Henry Vanburen on Sept 15, 2010 17:50:15 GMT -5
setting up a tripod is NOT the equivilent of haveing Arm TV at your event!!! dont dismiss this becasuse I know some people who do this and send tape to Gary I.E. more footage and no expense to him
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Post by David Owens on Sept 15, 2010 19:37:56 GMT -5
dismissed!!
I'm not saying its not fine to have simply footage of armwrestling matches from one angle and be able to see the matches that would not have been on Arm TV.
However when Arm TV is actually in the building, meaning Gary is doing his thing and trying to give identitys to the Armwrestlers and hype up matches with before, during, and after the tournament/match , it gives much extra incentive to go to that specific event. so I agree with Jake, if you want to add that incentive to your event (that is not a huge ArmTV landmark event that yes he will be at anyway, nationals, worlds, ect.) at least partialy pay with travel expenses is not too much to ask.
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Post by Henry Vanburen on Sept 15, 2010 20:09:34 GMT -5
ok all i am saying is Gary cant be everywhere .
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Post by David Owens on Sept 15, 2010 20:28:31 GMT -5
agreed^^
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