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Post by Ryan Espey on Jul 26, 2011 6:17:41 GMT -5
Strange times these... Lattimer might be the only guy on this board that I can't out bench. There is very little relation between that and armwrestling strength. Ask the top 5 what they can bench and I am betting there are very few in the 400's.
There have been many guys that I have suspected of "enhancement" over the years. Some of these reasons include a 40-50lb weight difference between WAF and "pro" events, going from a contender to a killer within a couple months (and the attitude to go with it), and the sudden halt in competing at WAF around 2005 when testing was introduced. Let me say that Devon is an anomaly as it has never even crossed my mind that he would be on something. The man trains harder, eats better, and is more dedicated than any armwrestler I know of. That and he is truly genetically gifted. Some of the feats he has performed over the years are almost unbelievable.
On this subject... the match was scheduled for 6 rounds and both guys trained for 6 rounds. The winner is the best. Bob Brown's arguement is compelling however. I think the fact that it is so hotly debated right now has Neil very happy as it is a natural rematch after Devon faces Jerry (win or lose).
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Post by Pete & Tim on Jul 26, 2011 8:20:04 GMT -5
I am shocked you even posted Ryan but I'm glad you did. Excellent post.
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Post by John Roberts on Jul 26, 2011 9:27:20 GMT -5
Ryan,
How much can you bench press?
I seen Gary bench press 550 with no warm up at Golds gym in Oshawa. That was impressive to say the least.
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Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Jul 26, 2011 10:09:33 GMT -5
Yes "roll your eyes" all you want, typical of you....You come up with a DUMBASS "thread", get criticism, by facts, and then YOU criticize.... Amazing how people/you "try" to have a constructive debate, bring up facts, and people/you just get stupid $hit back. AND PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS BOARD! I was pointing out, with ONE example, how Devon, beat possibly one of the top ten GREAT US Heavyweights of all time, who has, oh probably 30 Nat titles from the 220s to Supers. A guy who doesn't pull in SUPERmatches, BUT they BOTH trained for a 3 round SUPERmatch, and lost.Which is exactly what this "thread" was about DID YOU READ that last sentence?...Agreed to a THREE (3) round match..Now, can you find where MT beat a caliber of ARMwrestler like, Dave Randall in a THREE (3) round Match and won?..If, so, GREAT to him.... Oh, and of course, Devon didn't have to weigh 290lbs, or so to do it Look MT can, possibly at anytime get wins over Engins rankings ( the only GOOD rankings), but that he won matches 1 and 3 DOESN'T make him the best... So now go ahead with you dumbass comment or "rolling of your eyes".... I may not be armwrestling as long as you have but you can KEEP YOUR SH*T TALK TO YOURSELF... FREAK EYES...YOU'RE A HAS BEEN AND NEVER GONNA BE ANYTHING AGAIN IN THIS SPORT SO TAKE YOUR SH*T TALK SOMEWHERE ELSE......ok back to the topic...... Im not criticizing anyone for one..just throwing some food for thought out there...if you took your head out of Devons ass long enough you could SEE that... secondly, Woody has him 3-3 so there is a small question of doubt in him dominating best of three supermatches which is still arguable ,if that is the format that determines the best or not....I dont see a book anywhere saying best of 6 is the determination of a best armwrestler....so I am focusing on the best of three format and if it is more challenging for Devon with STRONGER pullers ....lmao.......BTW.....I have doing nothing in this "sport", which means absolutely nothing, and won't anymore...lmao.... Oh, and I don't like devon! Wait thats a lie....Devon is the GREATEST ever, better than John..Devon is the Michael Jordan of "armwrestling", NOT John...DEVON, I LOVE YOU!!!!!..... ;D Here is a good topic....I believe Devon MAY have 1 win Lefty over Travis...Is Devon the Best ever?....LMAO
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Post by John Wilson on Jul 26, 2011 10:28:55 GMT -5
just curious on the drug tested events is it blood or urine because urine samples are a joke, if its Blood i would believe the results. Just saying so that means , say like the big dude from jersey Shawn lattimer 900lb bencher and big squatter just super strong , very strong tendons, if he trained the same way devon did for a couple of months he would crush devon correct, only saying because power is power no matter how you look at and 900lb bench press your tendons and ligaments have to be super strong, I doubt devon could bench 400lbs but not saying he doesn't, but he very strong and not taking anything away from him , til some one beats him him he the best. Are you being serious? Couple of months? Shawn would be one of the first ones to come on here and say that was a dumb comment. There is no reason to think Devon is on. Hes 240 because he's 6'5". That's not that heavy. that 170lbs was mostly tendon strength built up over 15+ years. He looks natural to me, he doesn't go up and down in weight and he works his butt off... I met Devon in 2000. Devon was basically a kid then. He was tall and lanky. By the way, Alexey Voevoda was in that same 220lb class that day. That's how long ago we're talking. Here we are about 11 years later and Devon has put on a whopping 25 or 30 lbs. If anything, Devon's put on normal "man-weight" as we call it when you get over 30 years old. 25lbs in a decade? Some juicer.
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Post by Arturo Garcia on Jul 26, 2011 11:19:17 GMT -5
That's the thing about the internet. You can out lift everyone in here. And if someone is outlifting you... he's definitely on the 'roids.
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Post by John Byerley on Jul 26, 2011 11:29:54 GMT -5
The debate between best of 3 vs best of 6 and who would win yada yada is just speculation brought from boredom in my opinion - its all JUST speculation because you never know what is going on in the mind of a competitor. I see Devon as someone who LOVES to arm wrestle and who I do believe will take any challenge in the world as long as he can make it to the match.
I was lucky enough to see the Larratt/Randall match from two feet away - it was sick. The question going in was "Can Devon deal with the shoulder press?"
Well the match started and and Mr Randall got "there" - anyone can speculate as to whose game plan was what - Did Devon get a late start? Did he want to go there? Did he want to test his ability out? Did Randall TAKE HIM THERE? Who cares?
The result is the same - Randall had Devon in a sick press - and Devon EARNED those wins =D He eventually staved it off and won the 2 of 3 in similar fashion. The match was a huge credit to both pullers. Mr Randall is a legend - and beastly strong - and Devon is an up and coming legend I think. Both pullers trained for a 2 of 3 - both came in with their own gameplans, and whether they were executed or not? Who cares, the winner is the winner.
Michael Todd is the epitome of inspiration. I got to talk with him about it in Tahoe - and his eyes lit up about the opportunity, and about his training. He and Tonya mentioned just pigging out - eating everything in sight and spending hours a day trying to bulk up. ( Which is rare because I know that MT is usually meticulous about his diet, and staying STRONG but LEAN ) I think also he mentioned never drinking milk and now drinking a gallon a day. I believe he WANTED to be 305 going in, not sure what he weighed in at, the steroid talk is just stupid - its speculation at best, and at the end of the day is worthless. He trains as hard as anyone I know or have ever met - and with as much passion as anyone I've ever seen or heard about. If you're not supposed to get results from his work ethic??? Then we all might as well pick up knitting. And results he got - he got 2 wins on Devon - they weren't gimmes they were wars, and MT has crazy experience in executing his moves on the table and allocating his strengths against his opponent.
Once again, what was Devon's gameplan knowing it was a best of 6? Would it have been different if best of 3? Who cares? We'll only know when that happens. We can have opinions and thats fine but jeez some of this stuff is like a Pre-Med student talking giving his take on an experimental surgery his friend told him about who read it in an online article - he thinks. Its pointless.
These guys, Brzenk, Larratt, Todd, Bresnan, Underwood, and the list goes on an on and on are on other planets of strength and pulling ability. But no matter what they pull - whether tournament or best of 3 or best of 5 or armwars format - whoever wins is the best at that format, at least for that day.
I think, and this is my opinion, that most of these guys are MORE about TESTING and UTILIZING their abilities, bettering themselves, and passionate about arm wrestling competition - than they are about being ranked #1 Monday on a Top Ten. I could be wrong but thats just what I see from them.
I HOPE to see this rematch in the future, along with alot of other matches between the current TOP guys in the world that haven't yet met on the table.
Sorry for the long post - but these guys deserve more praise than speculation - for how they inspire the arm wrestling world to train harder, and dream bigger. AWESOME match guys, and the others as well from what I have heard. Thanks for the effort you guys put into these matchups.
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Post by enginterzi on Jul 26, 2011 11:53:37 GMT -5
John, if i am not mistaking Devon to reach 240s from 220s happenned in a short period of time,not in 11 years (which still means nothing). Devon wrote this after his supermatch with Taras in october 2006; Hey Ron, I was a frikkin' massive 240! that is probably heavy enough for you to never want a rematch! as for Taras i think his arms probably weighed about 100 lbs a piece, but seriously i wouldn't have put him far from my weight, but i don't know since i never saw. in 2006 march Devon pulled 220 class at Mike Goulds Classic. Devon does not get pumped even if he pulls forever and that is not the case with someone who has extra water in his body. he is the best until its proven otherwise.
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Post by Todd Opitz on Jul 26, 2011 13:32:09 GMT -5
Like I said we all know armwrestling has to do with hand size, tendon strength and ligament strength leverage, but to bench 900lbs your tendons and ligaments have to be super super strong to hold and move that weight, just so you understand their are steroids that add a ton of strength and not alot of weight, and blood tests are the only weigh to test for real, because with alot steroids that have short half lives, its easy to get rid of , and urine basically tests the ratio of Epitestosterone/Testosterone, which is very to pass. I would to see the top Athletes who came they have never taken anything and swear by be tested 4 weeks out and than a 3rd week 2nd week out the day before the meet all by Blood work, because outside steroids have more carbons attach the molecule than your own. I'm all for being the strongest you can, but if you claim your 100 drug free you would have know problem with the testing. I think the russians should share all the nutrition plans with us, look at Denis Cly, haha , if not we all would like Arnold
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Post by Ryan Espey on Jul 26, 2011 15:39:51 GMT -5
I am shocked you even posted Ryan but I'm glad you did. Excellent post. Thanks Pete.
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Post by TK on Jul 26, 2011 17:52:37 GMT -5
I understand that Devon won the supermatch..but bearing in mind that Todd won match one and three, He would have won a best of three.....Devons win over Randall was best of three and was accredited to the advancing of Devon's reign..so what format is the one that determines the best? Devon is the Best till proven diff There is one more BEAST in North America he has to tame..... And his style is possibly the hardest to compete against..... TK
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Post by Jason Mischke on Jul 26, 2011 20:21:13 GMT -5
Long time lurker here... occasional puller.... watch out, this post is going to go EVERYWHERE... but it's all sort of relevant to all the stuff that has built up over the past few threads.
Devon is a legend in the making, without question. Look at how polarized and passionate we all get around his matches, for better or for worse. I say that's a win for armwrestling.
Competition wise, I'd definitely like to see Devon vs. Jerry... but I'd also like to see a best of three vs. Don Underwood... or five or six. If he should prove victorious, then onto the big boys across the ocean. Lots of talent in North America. On top of probably about 30 other matches I'd like to set up.
I know it will take a long time before Devon can have the same respect attributed to the likes of Brzenk, Dean, Randall, Goodridge, Voyvoeda...and many others. I think it will come. One thing that was only someone touched upon in these matches...Devon is smart. He knows how to adapt, and is versatile. He said it himself in another post, he knew to 'stay away' from particular moves that Michael Todd did in the tournament. Another poster mentioned genetics. Also true, he's built for this sport.
Sometimes, I believe, armwrestlers will intentionally go to a particular spot or attempt a specific move just to test power/experiment. We've seen Brzenk do it, and I know that Devon has done it too. It makes for a better armwrestler, and you get a chance to dissect styles. I feel that sometimes, some of the losses are a result of that (fair and square). I mention this because over a six round format, you can afford to do this. It can also make for some great matches. So, I like this format quite a bit in addition to traditional tournaments (single/double/triple elimination).
While it may not carry much weight, I too can confirm that Devon is a clean competitor and it took a long time to put on the weight. I met him in 2003 and it was a while before he moved out of the 220 class permanently, mostly for the payday of pulling in multiple classes I imagine. Keeping himself lean contributes to his incredible endurance, which I have witnessed first hand. I sort of wonder if the naysayers have ever met the man, pulled him, trained with him. Engin, I believe when you quoted your example back in 2006 that he was around 230 at that time, and he cut weight to hit the 220 class but walked around typically heavier. When he competed in the supermatch, he wanted to be 'heavy' and ate accordingly. So the timeline still fits. He's usually under 240 I believe.
Mr. Quinn, have you ever had that sort of interaction with Devon? I have felt his power, and I cannot touch him anywhere on the table. I'm not claiming to be a great armwrestler, but it's something to behold, which no doubt the other legends of armwrestling are in possession of. If not, I am willing to wager that if you met the man, you might change your tune a bit. I just get the sense that you dislike him for some reason? Like I said earlier though, could be enthusiasm.
Jason
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Post by John Milne on Jul 26, 2011 20:31:00 GMT -5
Well said Jason. It would be nice to see you at practice again soon.
It's very easy to speak of someone you've never met. Especially if you're making accusations. It shows the character of a person.. or more closely how weak they are.
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Post by Hungry Hippo on Jul 26, 2011 20:35:14 GMT -5
I'm a huge Devon fan..he has the best character out of all the Giants..just trying to raise some thoughts about his make up...I never accuse anyone of drugs...but I know a few who does and thats there business...and the ones that avoid Worlds the most are considered suspicious in my book.
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Post by Dan Benoit on Jul 26, 2011 20:45:13 GMT -5
What I dont understand Is why not do Roids? I know im young and dumb, but really? Like In nascar they have 800hp and go 200mph? Nobody wants to see a 80hp car go 92mph...? I think if using roids is cheating then being to tall should be cheating too. Im serious about that, its all genetics....Cleve dean was obviosly a little better off than alot of us when it came to the DNA make-up. Like someone said Devon is perfect for the sport. Could someone tell me why we shouldnt do steroids in this sport, besides our health bc thats all BS we all have a rich friend who goes to the doctor and he will live to 75. Any logical response would be appreciated.
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