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Post by Rob Vigeant Jr. on Jan 18, 2012 8:50:02 GMT -5
.......i have heard and read all the BS and hate on how these guys pull... it seems most guys THINK they have a valid reason to hate on these guys.
if thats the case, why is mike todd getting so much praise ? i didnt see the pushkar match, but i did see the cyplenkov and bresnan matches.......i gotta say..... it was REAL ugly. his shoulder was much lower than georges and clearly playing on the fact his arm wont straighten...........cmon.
to each their own, but if there is gonna be all kinds of hate on some guys then keep it consistent and correct and call out everyone who is guilty of the same moves.
IDK....i just watched the tim b ual match and actually felt bad for him. Tim has trained hard and looks super strong...IMO he was a much stronger better puller..........until mike straightened his arm and layed under the table.......it kinda bugged me that he gets all these props and guys who IMO are lesser offenders get sh1t on. At least george stands over the pad and jerry will hook and stand tall.
I mean..Congrats mike, you made it to number 2 in the world ranking wise...........lets hope the rules dont get modified
am I a hater ??......no I give props....but when i see fit, not for these wins. maybe I'm a d/ck for even opening my mouth, but i cant possibly be alone in this thought process.
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Post by John Roberts on Jan 18, 2012 9:08:58 GMT -5
You are definatey not alone with your thought process Rob. All three of the above have been pulling for many years and have developed their own styles that obviously have been very successful for them. People will try to emulate their styles and realize they cannot do the same things so they bash. Most of the time I just laugh about it but when some people become enthralled with their opinions I have to comment. I hope that all three carry on with their winning ways.
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Post by Rob Vigeant Jr. on Jan 18, 2012 9:30:06 GMT -5
That's nicey nice but do you call what mike did armwrestling ? Is laying under a table with a straight arm like a lever armwrestling ?
The point of armwrestling it to pin and beat another mans arm.... Whether by brute power, position, leverages and angles..... Not by making yourself UNPINNABLE because your arm will not open any further... Aside from breaking it at the elbow joint it is open as far as it will go..... Stupidest thing I ever saw. He isn't winning.... He's simply not losing, but to the core of what AW is this couldn't be more off of the point.
I bet if mike pulled that move with voevoda who beat him 6-0 EASY.... He would have beat him too. Funny how he showed up much lighter and pulled arguably the strongest most explosive guy right now..... And won undefeated.... Odd huh ? You have to leave room for your opponent to be able to move your arm..... If your arm is straight already how do you pin it ?... You don't. If this keeps like this my prediction is he will never lose again..... He's a bigger crazy George.
He might get wins in everyone else's book, but as far as armwrestling goes.... I think he struggles to be top 15 if he actually stood up.
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Post by TK on Jan 18, 2012 9:50:25 GMT -5
I'D SAY the straight arm should either draw a foul and restart or a loss....it can't go any further at that point...i'm not a hater, i'm an M Todd fan and he represents our country...but it is what it is.
if it gets fouled, maybe it'd even up the odds a little?
food for thought in the rule book? it def doesn't win by style points thats for sure.
TK
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Post by Toddzilla on Jan 18, 2012 10:02:01 GMT -5
Michael Todd Jerry Cadorette George Isakowitz
Are all legimate high class armwrestlers with perfectly legitimate styles.
All are beatable, and all have been beaten recently.
The last thing armwrestling needs is more ill conceived poorly enforced rules.
Armwrestling needs less rules and this board needs more reasoned threads.
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Post by mactelle on Jan 18, 2012 10:06:25 GMT -5
Michael Todd Jerry Cadorette George Isakowitz Are all legimate high class armwrestlers with perfectly legitimate styles. All are beatable, and all have been beaten recently. The last thing armwrestling needs is more ill conceived poorly enforced rules. Armwrestling needs less rules and this board needs more reasoned threads. That was a post.. a champion on the Table and the message board..
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Post by Rob Vigeant Jr. on Jan 18, 2012 10:08:26 GMT -5
So what you are saying is forget the fact that a straight arm laying under the table has zero to do with armwrestling for the sake of having less rules ? I think if that move is the new thing then the little chance AW has of going anywhere will go out the window with matches like that. I have no gain in knocking it, I have never suffered a loss because of that "style" but it is unpinnable when executed how mike does it..... Its not armwrestling..... I'm not being hateful, but I can't call it legit.
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Post by David Owens on Jan 18, 2012 10:29:59 GMT -5
So what you are saying is forget the fact that a straight arm laying under the table has zero to do with armwrestling for the sake of having less rules ? I think if that move is the new thing then the little chance AW has of going anywhere will go out the window with matches like that. I have no gain in knocking it, I have never suffered a loss because of that "style" but it is unpinnable when executed how mike does it..... Its not armwrestling..... I'm not being hateful, but I can't call it legit. I agree on all accounts, but since everyone seems to be so blind to the crazy george style I am going to be blind to the monsters style, I also think the flop wrist press is a last resort for a weaker puller but I have been on the losing side of both of these arguments before, fact is that all 3 can beat "some" people other ways soooo, until they are breaking the rule I can't knock it Sent from my DROID2 using ProBoards
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Post by Steven Green on Jan 18, 2012 10:31:08 GMT -5
I am not a fan Georges or Mikes (new) style, but I say this as a fan only.
Jerry has a great press. I dont consider that in the same boat as the other two.
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Post by Marc Vachon on Jan 18, 2012 10:39:42 GMT -5
Michael Todd Jerry Cadorette George Isakowitz Are all legimate high class armwrestlers with perfectly legitimate styles. All are beatable, and all have been beaten recently. This is the reality in my book. These are beatable. Maybe then we need to think about arm wrestling as more than just a power sport with these styles. The opposing puller needs to have a more cerebral approach when competing against these styles. Larrat beat Todd. Dall'Antonia beat George. Two smart dudes in my book.
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Post by Herman Stevens on Jan 18, 2012 10:43:00 GMT -5
Michael Todd Jerry Cadorette George Isakowitz Are all legimate high class armwrestlers with perfectly legitimate styles. All are beatable, and all have been beaten recently. This is the reality in my book. These are beatable. Maybe then we need to think about arm wrestling as more than just a power sport with these styles. The opposing puller needs to have a more cerebral approach when competing against these styles. Larrat beat Todd. Dall'Antonia beat George. Two smart dudes in my book. Dude, arm wrestlers don't like to think!
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Post by Marc Vachon on Jan 18, 2012 10:47:38 GMT -5
This is the reality in my book. These are beatable. Maybe then we need to think about arm wrestling as more than just a power sport with these styles. The opposing puller needs to have a more cerebral approach when competing against these styles. Larrat beat Todd. Dall'Antonia beat George. Two smart dudes in my book. Dude, arm wrestlers don't like to think! Hahaha!! Evolution my man!!!
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Post by Rob Vigeant Jr. on Jan 18, 2012 10:55:58 GMT -5
Ok.... For all that missed my point... I mentioned George and Jerry because they get so much hate on this board because of how they pull... Agreed ?
Then why is everyone praising mike for doing the same thing.... Kind of hypocritical.
This isn't about Jerry or George.... Follow?
Why is it acceptable when mike does it ? Beatable or not, he got a lot of wins as of recent from a move that's not even a move.... Straightening your arm to not get pinned while you take your 260+ body and lever your straight arm up by slinking under the table using the pad as a fulcrum.... That's NOT armwrestling at all.
Whatever, people have their views, fact is better armwrestlers have trained and traveled to be victims of this loophole which is what it is.
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Post by Marc Vachon on Jan 18, 2012 11:18:37 GMT -5
Rob, I get your point. And I'm going to throw this out there for arguments sake: Do you think it's because he's American? This is a predominantly American board. Or, is it because people have simply given up on the Crazy George debate? It continually goes back and forth without real resolution. Are people simply accepting this move now? Maybe it's because he beat Pushkar. The WAF champ. And not only did he beat him, but it was 6-0. It was simply a shock? In addition, Mike is viewed as a really charasmatic guy, whereas George is often seen as a grumpy old man... Maybe it's all three, maybe it's none of the above. Either way, I still think there will be some that will always dislike the move, and will never see it as arm wrestling.
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Post by Rob Vigeant Jr. on Jan 18, 2012 11:23:14 GMT -5
I also think purposely going to the strap is Fu(ked too.... Another loophole The strap is for actual slips not people running to them as a weapon because they have weaknesses
Mma should let guys wear ghis again so they can strangle opponents with the sleeves like Royce used to when they can't execute an actual choke.... But hey, it wasnt against the rules.
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