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Post by Chuck Barney on Feb 27, 2013 17:56:57 GMT -5
Jeff, this should be alot easier. Stick with your decision bro!! If you think its okay for him to pull left novice but open right handed... then thats the decision. If he doesnt like it he can stay in kentucky. When he puts on a tourney and is the director... he can use his own judgement to clarify you as a novice or open puller. It comes down to the directors decision at the end. The novice pullers that are out there that have pulled novice for two or three yrs and have placed in multiple tournaments but keep pulling novice because they (HAVENT GOT THERE 3 WINS) should know there being laughed at. They will never be respected until they step up to the open division.
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Post by Jeff Janes on Feb 27, 2013 17:57:52 GMT -5
Just throwing it out there, and i cant seem to find it at the moment, but i was almost positive that the set of rules that ky muscle goes by is one win w them and your done with novice. But it wouldnt be the first time ive been wrong.....lol I have heard this as well. It would be nice if Denise or Leonard could chime in and let us know their thoughts. |
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Post by David Owens on Feb 27, 2013 18:05:37 GMT -5
Just throwing it out there, and i cant seem to find it at the moment, but i was almost positive that the set of rules that ky muscle goes by is one win w them and your done with novice. But it wouldnt be the first time ive been wrong.....lol I have heard this as well. It would be nice if Denise or Leonard could chime in and let us know their thoughts. By USAA rules win one and you are no longer a novice (at that weight, with that hand) |
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Post by Jeff Janes on Feb 27, 2013 18:29:05 GMT -5
I have heard this as well. It would be nice if Denise or Leonard could chime in and let us know their thoughts. By USAA rules win one and you are no longer a novice (at that weight, with that hand) That's all you're gonna say about this thread David? You must be busy, lol. |
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Post by Richard Jaehnigen on Feb 27, 2013 18:37:51 GMT -5
josh milne- i have only competed in one open class right handed. and got my ass handed to me. im working on the transition from novice to open. is it wrong to pull both for 1 or 2 tournaments? i understand they want me out of novice. and i am planning on getting out of novice. i didnt think it was that big of a deal. lame or not i like pulling. i cant drop a class and pull. so pulling open and novice in the heavies is the best way i can pull alot of classes at one tourney. is it wrong? i dont know if it is.. but if me pulling novice at this tourney in tn. is that big of a deal then i guess i wont.. ill "man up and take my lumps" ill make the director happy!!
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Post by David Owens on Feb 27, 2013 18:51:29 GMT -5
By USAA rules win one and you are no longer a novice (at that weight, with that hand) That's all you're gonna say about this thread David? You must be busy, lol. Very busy today, but I'm getting ready to tee off ;D |
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Post by Richard Jaehnigen on Feb 27, 2013 18:54:30 GMT -5
i guess my mistake is not realizing this is a tourney for novice pullers. jeff, if you wanted a tourney for new guys in your area should you not put it out all across the country? have a instate only maybe? and to the guy talking about me hosting a tourney, i dont have the experience to host one. remember i still consider my self new to the sport. i hope to get my name out of the spot light by saying i wont pull novice right...
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Post by David Owens on Feb 27, 2013 19:04:15 GMT -5
josh milne- i have only competed in one open class right handed. and got my ass handed to me. im working on the transition from novice to open. is it wrong to pull both for 1 or 2 tournaments? i understand they want me out of novice. and i am planning on getting out of novice. i didnt think it was that big of a deal. lame or not i like pulling. i cant drop a class and pull. so pulling open and novice in the heavies is the best way i can pull alot of classes at one tourney. is it wrong? i dont know if it is.. but if me pulling novice at this tourney in tn. is that big of a deal then i guess i wont.. ill "man up and take my lumps" ill make the director happy!! Unfortunately in the supers you run short of options pretty quick. That IMO does not mean you keep pulling novice, you are going to get your ass handed to you sometimes, this happens to seasoned pros and has more to do with draw than anything. If the US was moving people out of novice like they should a large portion of current "novice"pullers would be in the open class and that would widen the range of levels in the opens, instead of having 8 guys half being very high level you would have 12 or more guys and a quarter of them being top tier. Newbies need to stop looking at tournament levels like "what can I win?" And instead ask themselves "where can I best test myself?" If you are winning novice classes with 8 or more people then you have no business in that class. Jeff If you are pointing this one guy out and your decision is that he can no longer pull novice then you must also look at anyone who has beat him as no longer a novice, if there are none that fall into that category then your probably making the right choice |
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Post by Jeff Janes on Feb 27, 2013 19:35:44 GMT -5
josh milne- i have only competed in one open class right handed. and got my ass handed to me. im working on the transition from novice to open. is it wrong to pull both for 1 or 2 tournaments? i understand they want me out of novice. and i am planning on getting out of novice. i didnt think it was that big of a deal. lame or not i like pulling. i cant drop a class and pull. so pulling open and novice in the heavies is the best way i can pull alot of classes at one tourney. is it wrong? i dont know if it is.. but if me pulling novice at this tourney in tn. is that big of a deal then i guess i wont.. ill "man up and take my lumps" ill make the director happy!! It's never wrong to pull up, I think based on the way you first mentioned it, it sounded like you were justifying pulling down if you were pulling opens. I know that is not the case. |
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Post by Jeff Janes on Feb 27, 2013 19:41:00 GMT -5
i guess my mistake is not realizing this is a tourney for novice pullers. jeff, if you wanted a tourney for new guys in your area should you not put it out all across the country? have a instate only maybe? and to the guy talking about me hosting a tourney, i dont have the experience to host one. remember i still consider my self new to the sport. i hope to get my name out of the spot light by saying i wont pull novice right... Initially it was a novice only tournament (it was last year and we had nearly 50 entries) We wanted the pros that were coming to help to be able to jump in and play to, so we added a couple open classes. Then you add on a match-up like Vazgen/Bishop along with several other super matches, a RR, etc., IMO you have a winning combination to have a great tournament and super matches, local and across the country folks, gets people interested. Pros also bring new guys with them, which in turn creates more growth. |
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Post by Jeff Janes on Feb 27, 2013 19:44:58 GMT -5
josh milne- i have only competed in one open class right handed. and got my ass handed to me. im working on the transition from novice to open. is it wrong to pull both for 1 or 2 tournaments? i understand they want me out of novice. and i am planning on getting out of novice. i didnt think it was that big of a deal. lame or not i like pulling. i cant drop a class and pull. so pulling open and novice in the heavies is the best way i can pull alot of classes at one tourney. is it wrong? i dont know if it is.. but if me pulling novice at this tourney in tn. is that big of a deal then i guess i wont.. ill "man up and take my lumps" ill make the director happy!! Unfortunately in the supers you run short of options pretty quick. That IMO does not mean you keep pulling novice, you are going to get your ass handed to you sometimes, this happens to seasoned pros and has more to do with draw than anything. If the US was moving people out of novice like they should a large portion of current "novice"pullers would be in the open class and that would widen the range of levels in the opens, instead of having 8 guys half being very high level you would have 12 or more guys and a quarter of them being top tier. Newbies need to stop looking at tournament levels like "what can I win?" And instead ask themselves "where can I best test myself?" If you are winning novice classes with 8 or more people then you have no business in that class. Jeff If you are pointing this one guy out and your decision is that he can no longer pull novice then you must also look at anyone who has beat him as no longer a novice, if there are none that fall into that category then your probably making the right choice Well said David. There is no one pulling novice in this tournament that has a win on Richard. Everyone he has pulled and lost to has moved up. |
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Post by Richard Jaehnigen on Feb 27, 2013 20:24:11 GMT -5
jeff knows more about who i pulled then i do.. and thats why i will never host a tourney of my own. jeff your on top of it.and thanks for the input everyone. no hard feelings here. i didnt aim on this being such a in depth topic mr. janes. and next question is should i even come pull opens since the class is 199+ i know alot of 198 and lower guys that beat the crap out of me. but since i weigh so much is that going to be a problem too?
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Post by Robert Miller on Feb 27, 2013 21:32:01 GMT -5
Sorry Richard, time to move up brother imo!
You'll either take your lumps & get better or not... the challenge will bring out the best in YOU!!
Good luck bud!
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Post by Richard Jaehnigen on Feb 27, 2013 22:23:07 GMT -5
Sorry Richard, time to move up brother imo! You'll either take your lumps & get better or not... the challenge will bring out the best in YOU!! Good luck bud! No need for saying sorry! I think this is all blown out of proportion. I have been looking forward to moving up to opens for a while. Just wanted another novice. But I everyone thinks I'm to good for novice so I'm over it! Thanks for the luck. Ill need it! |
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Post by John Houston on Feb 27, 2013 22:27:25 GMT -5
Thanks to everyone who has weighed in on this. Just reading it has been a learning experience for me. I started pulling last year, and I've been chatting with people about this issue along the way. I've decided (autonomously) that Appleton is going to be my last novice entry no matter how it goes. (The only possible exception would be nationals, if I'm eligible when that finally comes.) Some people have said I should wait a little longer, some say I'm ready. I've appreciated their input, but what's important to me is that I'm making the decision. Anyway, I am glad to be part of a sport where we can have these kinds of discussions without devolving into personal attacks. Jeff, I'm glad you are making the effort to bring new blood into the sport. Richard, you are a strong dude and I'm looking forward to pulling you again some time in competition.
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