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Post by David Marrocco on Sept 28, 2013 20:50:30 GMT -5
John Milne, is my boy be CAREFUL!!!!!!!
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Post by David Marrocco on Sept 28, 2013 20:56:14 GMT -5
For the record Arsen beat a completely out of shape Travis. He got 5k just to show up to pull Aesen Also John Brzenk looked really good in Vegas I haven't seen him that strong in a while Devon in shape Beats Arson also JMO.
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Post by Max Moore on Sept 28, 2013 21:59:30 GMT -5
Max, Krasimir pulls 220 at Worlds, but pulled supers last year at Nemiroff because he was much heavier. In the 242 at WAF, you have Ivan Matyushenko, Ferit Osmanlie, Dmitry Trubin, Genadi Kvikivinia (spelling? currently suspended), and Sergey Tokarev. Although they are a class up, they are in the same range as Krasimir. That list of guys along with Krasimir would go in circles based on the various styles. They are all close. So, it's hard for me to say Krasimir is a candidate for p4p best. As for Hutchings, his hook is there with all of them, but his hand would cause him to lose to guys that Krasimir would beat, like Arsen. aha! i was not aware of that. good info. i agree 100% with your logic. i would love to see a 242 pound todzilla vs a 242 pound krasimir! we all know the scenario. styles make matches. i just dont see going strength for strength with the big guys being an effective style for krasimir...vs a style that is fast and explosive...rather than slow and ginding.
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Post by Max Moore on Sept 28, 2013 22:00:22 GMT -5
John Milne, is my boy be CAREFUL!!!!!!! lol its all good.
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Post by Josh Handeland on Sept 28, 2013 23:28:28 GMT -5
My mistake it was Rustam who was defeated earlier this year, not Zoloev. Josh H might be the one to set the record straight. I was going to comment and say who did Zoloev lose to? Then saw your next post
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Post by John Milne on Sept 28, 2013 23:45:45 GMT -5
John Milne, is my boy be CAREFUL!!!!!!! haha thanks Dave I'm sure Max and I are good. We've met before and spoke. I'm sure we get along but have different views on things and ways of expressing them.
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Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Sept 29, 2013 6:28:35 GMT -5
At first I thought this thread was a joke., But watching u guys actually answer this silly question and then go back and forth just confirmed it.
I am very surprised at u RVJ and John Milne...
Max, u apparently aren't up on AWing in Europe or the rest of the World..
And that's all I will say on that..." Forrest Gump"
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Post by Max Moore on Sept 29, 2013 8:39:41 GMT -5
At first I thought this thread was a joke., But watching u guys actually answer this silly question and then go back and forth just confirmed it. I am very surprised at u RVJ and John Milne... Max, u apparently aren't up on AWing in Europe or the rest of the World.. And that's all I will say on that..." Forrest Gump" lol you need to go back to school and learn to comprehend what you are reading. the thread was posted as a question.....hence the "question mark" in title.... and its just for fun. once again.... who is the best pound for pound armwrestler , or to put it another way....who is the lightest competitor who has the best chance at defeating the worlds top heavy weights? im sorry this question beneath you christian....im so sorry that my armwrestling knowledge appalls you....lmao ive never seen so many uptight dudes that take this stuff so damn seriously! you gotta be kiddn me. lighten up ....its just armwrestling....and its just a question posed for fun. you musta been toilet trained at gun point bro. and no, i dont know everything about armwresting as you clearly do...and since you know so much but are willing to share so little , with the exception of a sad attempt at crude humor with we mere mortals, what does that say about you?
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Post by Max Moore on Sept 29, 2013 8:44:31 GMT -5
John Milne, is my boy be CAREFUL!!!!!!! haha thanks Dave I'm sure Max and I are good. We've met before and spoke. I'm sure we get along but have different views on things and ways of expressing them. john we are def all good bro....you and i have had some spirited debates in years past.....and we , for the most part, always manage to come full circle and realize that at the end of the day its just armwrestling. i enjoy picking the brains of the people on this board....even if some people find it annoying or beneath them to participate....
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Post by David Marrocco on Sept 29, 2013 13:30:20 GMT -5
Christian is SOFT!!!!
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Post by David Owens on Sept 29, 2013 14:36:38 GMT -5
At first I thought this thread was a joke., But watching u guys actually answer this silly question and then go back and forth just confirmed it. I am very surprised at u RVJ and John Milne... Hi Max, u apparently aren't up on AWing in Europe or the rest of the World.. And that's all I will say on that..." Forrest Gump" lol you need to go back to school and learn to comprehend what you are reading. the thread was posted as a question.....hence the "question mark" in title.... and its just for fun. once again.... who is the best pound for pound armwrestler , or to put it another way....who is the lightest competitor who has the best chance at defeating the worlds top heavy weights? im sorry this question beneath you christian....im so sorry that my armwrestling knowledge appalls you....lmao ive never seen so many uptight dudes that take this stuff so damn seriously! you gotta be kiddn me. lighten up ....its just armwrestling....and its just a question posed for fun. you musta been toilet trained at gun point bro. and no, i dont know everything about armwresting as you clearly do...and since you know so much but are willing to share so little , with the exception of a sad attempt at crude humor with we mere mortals, what does that say about you? First, Whats Up Max! Long time no see buddy. Second, Christian is willing to share knowledge of arm wrestling, you need only ask. My opinion on this thread is similar to RVJ If you are talking p4p I dont think you can be in that conversation while losing to people in your own weight class Example- GSP, completely dominant in his class, he is a good candidate for pound for pound, of course if he loses a match at that weight like anderson silva did he would no longer be a candidate or at least that's my line of thinking I think currently Zolov (sorry I'm not up on my eastern armwrestlers names spelling, is the best candidate "right now" Arsen did beat john 3-2 but he also lost to John at that weight hence the -2, there are several losses he has that keep me from thinking him p4p best if there is such a thing
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Post by Max Moore on Sept 29, 2013 17:38:57 GMT -5
what up DO JR?
it has been a while. how are ya bro? i hear your kickin ass these days! nice work!
i dont know everything about "who beat who" or the latest goings on...thats why i posed this thread as a question.
and what i define as "best p4p" is: the man who weighs the lest but still has the best chance at beating the top heavyweights in the world.
that is what best p4p means IMO and what this conversation in based on. maybe others def of "best p4p" is different?
can zoloev beat Krasimir? caan zoloev beat arsen? i find this doubtful.....but would love to see it.
also, zoloev lost to hutchings (and at a heavier weight) , hutchings beat Krasimir, hutchings lost to Arsen.
and to say that losing to people in your own weight makes you not a candidate....well then that would knock out my pick based on shear stats (Krasimir).....but i believe that based on what i have seen Arsen would do better against the big boys than anyone else at or below his weight. hes proved it already with wins over krasimir, Denis, pushkar, Bagent, etc....
i mean its all subjective, but its fun to think about...and it helps me learn more about armwrestling.
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Post by David Owens on Sept 29, 2013 18:05:35 GMT -5
what up DO JR? it has been a while. how are ya bro? i hear your kickin ass these days! nice work! i dont know everything about "who beat who" or the latest goings on...thats why i posed this thread as a question. and what i define as "best p4p" is: the man who weighs the lest but still has the best chance at beating the top heavyweights in the world. that is what best p4p means IMO and what this conversation in based on. maybe others def of "best p4p" is different? can zoloev beat Krasimir? caan zoloev beat arsen? i find this doubtful.....but would love to see it. also, zoloev lost to hutchings (and at a heavier weight) , hutchings beat Krasimir, hutchings lost to Arsen. and to say that losing to people in your own weight makes you not a candidate....well then that would knock out my pick based on shear stats (Krasimir).....but i believe that based on what i have seen Arsen would do better against the big boys than anyone else at or below his weight. hes proved it already with wins over krasimir, Denis, pushkar, Bagent, etc.... i mean its all subjective, but its fun to think about...and it helps me learn more about armwrestling. Well I think that's where the first problem lies. When talking p4p in any other "sport" (sorry I had to) do you think they are suggesting a suger ray leonard or a roy jones jr. Would have the best chance of beating the best heavyweights of their time? I don't think that is the case because it would never happen, myguess would be that most of the heavyweights would make very short work of the little guys in a fight sport. Is armwrestling under a different definition of p4p? As for me I've been doing ok, but I'm training different now, the UAL has me at the highest level of motivation possible, and a friend of mine is giving me the tools to see it through! (And I don't mean gear for those who will jump strait to that) I'm in the best shape of my life and havnt reach my goal yet, hope to see you at a UAL event soon Max!
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Post by Max Moore on Sept 29, 2013 18:39:41 GMT -5
yes defining ones terms is necessary...but thats kinda part of my point....ordinarill you would say "no way" to a guy much lighter beating heavyweights...but Arsen can...and has...so IDK.
and lets not forget that Arsen is originally a 176 puller if my memory serves me....maybe even lighter...
he was unbeatable at 176...he was unbeatable at 198...and has (until hi recent loss) dominated at his current weight....hes had to jump up 4 weight classes or something like that to get some competition! i wanna see zoloev do that if hes gonna be considered the best pound for pound. if arsen had stayed at 176 or 198 and continued to destroy everybody instead of moving up in search of competition would he then be a better candidate? that kinda like sand baggin to me...but idk...i mean whats the guy gotta do to get his props? thats all im sayin. juice or no juice...i dont care. there are ALOT of juiceheads on this board that are runnin around pretending like they dont touch the stuff....so ima just let that dog lie.
and dave...i look forward to seein ya again aand am glad your figurin this stuff out. lol its a never ending learning curve. i dont know if i will compete again...but i do enjoy armwrestling...i think its one of the most pure forms of competition out there....and it builds character.
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Post by Will Sarty on Sept 29, 2013 19:10:26 GMT -5
My votes for Zolev
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