Las Botha
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Post by Las Botha on Oct 24, 2013 13:49:13 GMT -5
Hi Allen. You'd know most answers.
I think most experienced guys looking to go outside for the straps wont mind the turtling thumb, and those among the toprollers that are slightly less experienced who refuse to compromize on a high radial deviation need to do more strapwork to realize what other alternatives there are to bank to so-called muscle memory and find the safe spots around an opponent's thumb ridge where they will feel less compromize.
Look at how Dmitri Trubin sets up most of his grips. Best example I can think of right now for this OP. Sometimes having your WRIST higher up on your opponent is more important than having a high thumb or leading knuckle.
You have to do what you don't want to every now and then in any discipline. You see pullers, even seasoned pullers, getting owned time and again because of their stubbornness.
People who don't cap their thumb who are expecting to go into a hook and feel uncomfortable against an opponent going full turtle often neglect to consider ALL the various aspects of rising immediately after the go, IMO. Yes, even in a hook. Simply feeling limited to your opponent's thumb knuckle - turtling or not- is a fun challenge that a puller of any hand size can master....without looking to first change the rules.
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Post by Las Botha on Oct 24, 2013 14:04:32 GMT -5
I firmly believe all grips should be uncapped... Forever . Top rolling is very effective from this position, but it takes more strength and control. Slips are harder and less.... Slips happen with a bail on one end or both going ultra high Uncapped is the way... The only way if there is a modification He's right. No capping would cut out a lot of the BS and ugly pulling. It would also, speed up the pace of the events, which IMO is one of the biggest things killing our sport from a spectator pov. Says the guy capping his thumb in his profile picture. Lol ;D What were you trying to do there on that setup, buddy? Don't kill the sport. Don't be that guy. Well the option of capping or no capping is a cool part of the sport for the sake of variation.
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Post by Giles Russell on Oct 24, 2013 20:45:43 GMT -5
He's right. No capping would cut out a lot of the BS and ugly pulling. It would also, speed up the pace of the events, which IMO is one of the biggest things killing our sport from a spectator pov. Says the guy capping his thumb in his profile picture. Lol ;D What were you trying to do there on that setup, buddy? Don't kill the sport. Don't be that guy. Well the option of capping or no capping is a cool part of the sport for the sake of variation. Never said that "no cap" was my sweet spot. Unlike most of the tards on here, I have the ability to look at things objectively and be introspective. Nearly all of our events are terrible to watch live and the whole gripping up/slipping fiasco is one of the main culprits. Not to mention the entire event last WAYYYYY too long. But I digress. Again, I feel that Rob may be on to something, think about it, that's all.
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Post by D.J. Lee on Oct 24, 2013 23:32:57 GMT -5
What's the textbook definition of a power lock? I've heard it thrown around loosely. Always thought it was another term for capping.
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Post by John Wilson on Oct 25, 2013 5:49:36 GMT -5
power lock is when both pullers are turned into a deep hook and then the match starts.
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Las Botha
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Post by Las Botha on Oct 25, 2013 5:58:00 GMT -5
Never said that "no cap" was my sweet spot. Unlike most of the tards on here, I have the ability to look at things objectively and be introspective. Nearly all of our events are terrible to watch live and the whole gripping up/slipping fiasco is one of the main culprits. Not to mention the entire event last WAYYYYY too long. But I digress. Again, I feel that Rob may be on to something, think about it, that's all. Well, of course you have the ability to look at things objectively, but claiming that those are terrible to watch and that the duration of tourneys are too long is still subjective at this point. I dunno, what was Rob onto? Wilson, I think that's unfair to one of the competitors due to its' nature, unless both agree to that start, then fair dinkum, larks games.
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Post by Las Botha on Oct 25, 2013 5:59:31 GMT -5
PS Gillieman, I was jus pullin' yer layg.
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Post by John Wilson on Oct 25, 2013 7:26:09 GMT -5
There's nothing at all subjective about tournaments being too long. Sure, you might find two people on this planet who like 7 hour local tournaments, but two wierdos does not a legitimate opposition make.
Of course anyone may argue for or against whatever they choose. However, the great equalizer is this: How many audience tickets to your last event were purchased by the general public?
Tickets? What...? Audience? Purchased?
Exactly.
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Post by Bob Brown on Oct 25, 2013 7:40:25 GMT -5
The only puller that wants a FAIR grip as described abave is the one who thinks they have a superior hand. Therefore not being fair.
What if a hooker came on hear and said a FAIR grip was to start in a hook grip.
OR for us old timers. What is Jason Vale said a FAIR grip was to start in the straps.
ALL matches should be IN REFS GRIP..thats FAIR ALL matches should be TOP ROLL........thats FAIR ALL matches should be a HOOK...........thats FAIR ALL matches should be in STRAPS........thats FAIR
Getting a grip and knowing how to get an advantage is called TECHNIQUE. Just like a Top roll, which used to be illegal.
Learn how to get a grip
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Post by Shawn Lattimer on Oct 25, 2013 10:52:30 GMT -5
The only puller that wants a FAIR grip as described abave is the one who thinks they have a superior hand. Therefore not being fair. What if a hooker came on hear and said a FAIR grip was to start in a hook grip. OR for us old timers. What is Jason Vale said a FAIR grip was to start in the straps. ALL matches should be IN REFS GRIP..thats FAIR ALL matches should be TOP ROLL........thats FAIR ALL matches should be a HOOK...........thats FAIR ALL matches should be in STRAPS........thats FAIR Getting a grip and knowing how to get an advantage is called TECHNIQUE. Just like a Top roll, which used to be illegal. Learn how to get a grip What he said!!!!!
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Post by John Milne on Oct 25, 2013 11:00:55 GMT -5
Perfectly said Mr. Brown
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Post by Las Botha on Oct 25, 2013 13:42:36 GMT -5
There's nothing at all subjective about tournaments being too long. Sure, you might find two people on this planet who like 7 hour local tournaments, but two wierdos does not a legitimate opposition make. Haha, Hi Wilson. Is that "other" weirdo a female? Could you please introduce us? I like weird girls. But see, I said at this point, particularly with the thread topic in point. Now that our surveys show it's just me and some other weirdo, ok cool, objectivity attained. lol. lmao at the anti-thumbcappers, reminds me of Engin and the King's Move. Fat Bastid could be your mascot This is purely an L2P issue No offense, love you bros.
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Post by Mark "The Giant Slayer" vieira on Oct 25, 2013 18:21:15 GMT -5
Fair grip what is that?Any pro will try and get a advantage before the go.The only fair grip I have ever had was in Canada.
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Post by Las Botha on Oct 26, 2013 1:27:07 GMT -5
^ If you're not trying to give your opponent an unfair grip, you're not doing your job properly Blaming the ref is not an option after the fight. Some play the game better, some play the man better
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Post by John Wilson on Oct 26, 2013 9:44:51 GMT -5
Getting the grip you need is technique.
Not being able to armwrestle UNLESS you get the grip you need makes you an amateur.
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