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Post by A L L E N F I S H E R on Oct 23, 2013 15:05:54 GMT -5
We have been talking about this for year, so I would love to get your thoughts. These ideas could take our sport to new level making it fair for all of us competing in the sport of arm wrestling.
Getting a fair grip in the Sport of Arm Wrestlingwww.armwrestlingworldwide.com/FairGrip |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2013 17:57:19 GMT -5
I like tourney's with a ref grip from the start. Takes out the 2min of non-sense of grip, slip, strap.
Ref grip, no moving, fouls if move. Ready go. Much quicker and better to watch if you are in the crowd.
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Post by A L L E N F I S H E R on Oct 23, 2013 20:44:14 GMT -5
Even in a referees grip the competitors can get the unfair advantage by baring their thumb and carving in, thus eliminating quote unquote the referees grip, which is supposed to control the unfair advantage but really doesn't
The problem is arm wrestlers have become very smart and have learned to bury their thumb knuckle forcing their opponent to take a lower grip.
Back in the day we all covered our knuckles guys and. Somebody tell me who and what and why it was all changed.
I was in a match just recently where my opponent had to setup referees grip and part of that was keeping the webbing even or lined up. The problem was he buried his thumb so low that I was forced to grab him low. Just lining up the webbing doesn't really do anything.
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Post by Rob Vigeant Jr. on Oct 23, 2013 21:24:50 GMT -5
I firmly believe all grips should be uncapped... Forever .
Top rolling is very effective from this position, but it takes more strength and control.
Slips are harder and less....
Slips happen with a bail on one end or both going ultra high
Uncapped is the way... The only way if there is a modification
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Post by D.J. Lee on Oct 24, 2013 0:00:19 GMT -5
I hate the refs grip, especially if my opponent has no thumb. I do however like the capping aspect as it allows me to get a more comfortable grip without covering the thumb knuckle or index finger knuckle. I'm specifically speaking about a single cap...not the double with the index & middle finger over the thumb. I have smaller hands so a single cap allows me to get a high grip & also decreases the chance of slipping ever so slightly (depending on how much chalk I use & how badly I want to tear someone's thumb off).
But as someone that does like to grip up high, I really do hate the refs grip. It seems I always get started like I'm about to get in a hook or a really low toproll. I've asked before if I can have my hand raised higher, it was a no go. *shrugs* *slip*
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Post by D.J. Lee on Oct 24, 2013 0:08:24 GMT -5
Maybe some changes to the table might help. The extra few inches behind the elbow pad could be removed for more beer gut space. Might be a bit easier for a more comfortable grip. I always find myself a lil more stretched out than I'd like to be or sucking in my stomach to hover my chest over the table to make it fair.
Maybe in the future they can just ask competitors if they're comfortable, if they both agree, let it rip. Seems to work with Travis.
I'm up for a good challenge though, but those are my .02 for all of those tired of the exhausting setups.
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Post by Eric Wolfe on Oct 24, 2013 2:53:02 GMT -5
I can feel the heat from here. . Lol. . I love the rules. . Everone wants to change the rules to suit their own interests. .hilarious. . Just stay off your opponents thumb knuckle. .those are the rules. . !
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Post by Mike West on Oct 24, 2013 4:27:44 GMT -5
Amen Eric....... some of us have shorter fingers, I've been accused of sucking my thumb down before (I don't), but I shouldn't be forced to take a high grip if I don't want it (or can't reach it).
A long fingered person will never understand why a shorter fingered person doesn't want to grip high (or cap)
Also, just because someone takes a low grip doesn't mean they are carving in. A low grip is not an advantage when it comes to leverage on the table, but it's sometimes he only way a smaller handed person can get ahold of his opponents hand.
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Post by John Wilson on Oct 24, 2013 7:45:53 GMT -5
I'll go out on a limb and say it: 9 out of 10 guys who whine about the other guy "carving in" are causing it themselves.
Watch the guy who believes his fingers will magically get longer if he can just reach them around the back of his opponenent's hand a little more....
You know, because your opponent is so stupid that he'll stay there, rock solid, while you push your hand halfway around the back of his. He's supposed to keep his wrist nice and flat for you. Then the ref is supposed to start you like that. Or better yet, the ref is supposed to roll your wrists around without you losing that Super Ultra Fantastic Grip.
Amateur hour.
Of course the guy is going to roll palm up while Mr. Amateur is trying to get a Cobra Rhodes grip with Stump Burton fingers. He's not carving in, you're rolling him over trying to reach around him two inches more than your fingers are long enough to accomplish.
Do guys carve in? Sure- but even if Ray Charles is reffing he can see it.
Watch the guy who never likes the grip once the ref rolls both out of the carve. That's the guy causing it.
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Post by Giles Russell on Oct 24, 2013 9:35:20 GMT -5
I firmly believe all grips should be uncapped... Forever . Top rolling is very effective from this position, but it takes more strength and control. Slips are harder and less.... Slips happen with a bail on one end or both going ultra high Uncapped is the way... The only way if there is a modification He's right. No capping would cut out a lot of the BS and ugly pulling. It would also, speed up the pace of the events, which IMO is one of the biggest things killing our sport from a spectator pov. |
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Post by Eric Wolfe on Oct 24, 2013 10:40:01 GMT -5
So as u see from the responses Allen, you are already getting more than u should. . Lets go with the "No Capping" rule.. now you will lower than ever. .
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Post by Pete & Tim on Oct 24, 2013 11:31:12 GMT -5
Tim B again My two cents BETTER and qualified refs, who don't just well its alright!!!!!! Hate to say it travis b has about the farest start out there,but evan that with a crappy ref sucks!!!!!!!
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Post by Mike West on Oct 24, 2013 12:05:40 GMT -5
"I was in a match just recently where my opponent had to setup referees grip and part of that was keeping the webbing even or lined up. The problem was he buried his thumb so low that I was forced to grab him low. Just lining up the webbing doesn't really do anything." Allen, if lining up the webs of the hands doesn't make it fair, what is it that would? I'm not quit understanding your complaint, your gripping high, but saying that if a person grips you low he has forced you into a unfair advantage  How is that? Wouldn't you (with a high grip, and your hand size) have the advantage? |
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Post by Max Moore on Oct 24, 2013 12:32:18 GMT -5
just start in the old school "power-lock" and then all this "cheating" will be history.
(i know Mike West agrees with me on this...and so do you Stump ;D)
but in all seriousness i would like to see some tournaments try the "power-lock" instead of straps just to see something different. there would be some shake ups thats for sure.
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Post by Mike West on Oct 24, 2013 13:05:37 GMT -5
just start in the old school "power-lock" and then all this "cheating" will be history. (i know Mike West agrees with me on this...and so do you Stump ;D) but in all seriousness i would like to see some tournaments try the "power-lock" instead of straps just to see something different. there would be some shake ups thats for sure. Sign me up ;D |
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How is that? Wouldn't you (with a high grip, and your hand size) have the advantage?