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Post by Ryan Thames on May 24, 2006 3:02:00 GMT -5
The Davinci code attempts to portrait Jesus As if he were married and that this was a huge secret that people were trying to hide all these years.
A woman tonight presented me with the question. "so what if jesus were married, whats wrong with that?"
I knew this was unscriptural and i knew that this goes against messianic prophesy of Christ, but i couldnt accuratly answer the question. Then i prayed and the lord led me to read 1 corinthians 7.
Here is my conclusion as to why Jesus wasnt married and whats wrong with it if he were. First let me say that Corinthians was written by The Apostle Paul who was sent by Christ to preach the inspired word of God and was given the revelation of the new covanant between God and Man.
1Cor :1-2
1. Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. 2. Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.
In order for Christ to be the messiah he is required by the law of God to be spotless. A sinless sacrifice, as a lamb without blemish. If he had one bit of spot it wouldve disqualified him from being that perfect sacrifice and there would be no hope for anymans salvation through his blood.
Verse 1 says that is is not good for man to touch a woman, isnt Jesus Good? If Jesus is pure goodness, which is required of the sacrifice then he cannot touch a woman in this manner.
Verse 2 says that we should marry to avoid fornication, because of mans lack of self control. If Christ did not have self control, then he would not be God, he would not be sinless, thus disqualifying him from being god and/or that perfect sacrifice required for our salvation.
Paul later says in verse 8-9
8. I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I. 9. But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.
Look at verse 8 Paul said it is better to abide unmarried as he is. If Christ is all wisdom. Dont you think it would be better for him to take the advice a lowly servant such as the apostle paul whom he sent forth?
Now look at verse 9 Could Christ not contain himself? In that he would require marriage? This would be fruit of the sin nature being prevelant within him. Something Christ because of his virgin birth has never known.
Paul said it is better to marry than to burn....christ wasnt burning....christ had absolute self control. Christ is God Christ is the savior and messiah. Which is evidence that he was not married.
Any man who would be willing to watch such a blasphemous movie or book should truley reevaluate his soul.
If you claim to be a christian, keep note that it would be impossible for you to be a christian had christ been married. Because it would indicate that christ wasnt who he said he is and his death would have meant nothing.
But in grace and mercy a loving a thrice holy God stepped down from his throne to provide a perfect and spotless lamb for you and i to celebrate eternal life.
Lets not insult such a loving God by taking part in such a blasphemous lie.
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Post by BigDaddyJoe™ on May 24, 2006 9:42:17 GMT -5
pretty funny because carlos mencia has a skit about "What If Jesus Was Married" and it was funny, didn't do anything toward religions but it was against females, lol
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Post by Ryan Thames on May 24, 2006 12:12:00 GMT -5
last night i got into a pretty hot debate with some of my girlfriends friends.
it fired me up pretty good. hadnt had a good one in while.
a bunch of girls saying
"whats wrong with jesus being married? god wants us to be happy"
i wanted throw up!
Jesus wouldnt have been the sinless sacrifice required for our salvation had he been married.
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Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on May 24, 2006 12:45:57 GMT -5
Jesus banging Mary Magdeline.......COOL!!! ;D
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Post by Carey Nick on May 24, 2006 14:21:03 GMT -5
last night i got into a pretty hot debate with some of my girlfriends friends. it fired me up pretty good. hadnt had a good one in while. a bunch of girls saying "whats wrong with jesus being married? god wants us to be happy" i wanted throw up! Jesus wouldnt have been the sinless sacrifice required for our salvation had he been married. How long have you been dating your girlfriend? Remember that her friends want go away!!! Either way you must be smarter than her friends or you're going to take heat and DUMB comments like that for a long time. JMO- So when the big day. When are we going to see Ryan JUST MARRIED.
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Post by Ryan Thames on May 24, 2006 14:26:05 GMT -5
not cool christian
When is the big day?
when she is lucky....j/k brittany
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Post by CHARLES WARMACK on May 25, 2006 4:38:28 GMT -5
Good grief....... the DaVinci Code is a STORY!!!! There is no attempt to dissuade anybody!!!! Even the writer, Dan Brown says that it is fiction, with no historical fact at all. For crying out loud, even the writers of Holy Blood, Holy Grail, or whatever it was, (I think I got the title wrong, but everyone knows what I'm talking about) says that everything is fiction!!! They were approached in France by a group that they called absurd about restoring a 1600 year old royal blood line dating back to Christ. After very quickly learning they were full of it, they decided it would be a good story. That's about it. Ryan, I suggest you go to France and speak to almost any French person there. They will quickly tell you that they are very familiar with the tale and also tell you that it is malarky. Why is everyone who is "Christian" so riled up about this movie?? It isn't like there aren't millions of people every day saying that he doesn't exist!!!!
"Any man who would be willing to watch such a blasphemous movie or book should truly re-evaluate his soul"
Have you lost it?? I saw the movie, and afterwards, I still had no doubt in my mind that Jesus was my personal Savior, and everyone else's that believes he died for them. As a matter of fact, it is the ONLY thing in this world or in my life that I DO NOT question.
Do I seem a little pissed?? Damn right I am!!!!
Show me one other person on this Earth who practices their faith perfectly like Jesus, and then you can tell me that I'm wrong for watching a movie that everyone says is B.S. in the first place.
It only re-affirmed what I believe, as it should to every other Christian.
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Post by Ryan Thames on May 25, 2006 5:07:52 GMT -5
If you enjoy watching people attempt to blaspheme christ. Thats your own problem, take it up with him. I for one am a christian who has a personal relationship with my savior and i am so irritated with "christians" saying that they are christians and that there is nothing wrong with this movie. Any man who loves christ should be utterly offended and disgusted with such a movie.
The bible says that a friend of the world is an enemy of god.
question.....if your a christian or even if your not. why are you upset with my post? it isnt offensive in any manner. whay are you getting more upset with me exposing the reason why jesus wasnt married than you are a movie who tries to discredit the word of God and blasphemes christ. Who you say you trust and believe in and you claim your very life depends on?
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Post by gambit on May 25, 2006 12:25:42 GMT -5
I have questions. Who watched Lord of the Rings? Harry Potter? These two movies were/are controversial amongst Christians and the fanatics. Seriously, who watched Lord of the Rings, who are Christians, and didn't find it offensive? My point being, Harry Potter had minimal killings, albeit death, they were not as gory as Lord of the Rings. Also, was the large part of the movie about a sorcerer who brought to life tens of thousands of Orks. Does this not contradict the fact that no man can raise the dead other than God? I have not seen The Divinci Code, yet. However, I do want to see it for the reasons a lot of people watched Fahrenheit 911...to see what they made up. I do suggest one should watch it to make an educated decision on it.
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Post by CHARLES WARMACK on May 25, 2006 13:58:55 GMT -5
"Any man who would be willing to watch such a blasphemous movie or book should truly reevaluate his soul"
Ryan, I know you are only doing what you think needs to be done, and your post was great, right up until this line above that you typed. That is a judgement, and if you would leave stuff like this out of your posts, you would get a much better response most of the time. I didn't mean to freak out on you, but come on, typing that will almost certainly make anyone think that you are judging them based on your own personal beliefs. BTW, now that I have seen the movie, I have all of the ammunition I need to rip it to shreds should some poor person actually believe it.
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Post by Ryan Thames on May 25, 2006 16:59:00 GMT -5
sadly chuck. there are many people who see this movie and read this book that does believe this as fact. and/or it makes them question the solidity of the word of god.
this is why christians are upset. people who arent strong in their faith will be swayed.
the fact that one isnt disgusted or offended with the contents within the movie/book/story Gives credible grounds for the statement.
If one claims to be a christian, and one is not disgusted with this blashpemy, then the word of god, gives me and any other christian the authority to assume based on the fruits that one bears that that person is not a christian to begin with.
If you want to take that statement as me passing "judgment" then so be it.
Matthew 7 13. Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14. Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. 15. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17. Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
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Post by Bill Maenza on May 26, 2006 5:24:53 GMT -5
I have questions. Who watched Lord of the Rings? Harry Potter? These two movies were/are controversial amongst Christians and the fanatics. Seriously, who watched Lord of the Rings, who are Christians, and didn't find it offensive? My point being, Harry Potter had minimal killings, albeit death, they were not as gory as Lord of the Rings. Also, was the large part of the movie about a sorcerer who brought to life tens of thousands of Orks. Does this not contradict the fact that no man can raise the dead other than God? I have not seen The Divinci Code, yet. However, I do want to see it for the reasons a lot of people watched Fahrenheit 911...to see what they made up. I do suggest one should watch it to make an educated decision on it. Allen, Not positive, but I think a lot of it has to do with LOTR having clear lines of good and evil where the good follow the rules and they are ultimately successful. In the Harry Potter series, the lines are more blurred where the "good" break the rules without reprocussions and are ultimately successful as well. The problem (in this instance) is that it gives the notion to children that the ends justify the means. Right in some cases - not in all. I won't get into the whole withcraft thing as Ryan has already done that in previous threads. I believe that Christians are also much more tolerant of Tolkien because he was such a devout Christian.
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Post by Ryan Thames on May 26, 2006 5:35:15 GMT -5
i have a hard time believing tolkien was devout. He may have been, i dont know.
as far as lotr and harry potter, there is a significant difference in the two.
Harry potter is an evil movie, thats the bottom line.
LOTR is a little bit different, but if you say that its a "christian" movie id say your wrong. and a "Christian" Should never portrait jesus as wizard. It is blasphemy to associate Jesus Christ with the things of the devil.
NARNIA, is written by cs lewis this guy was a close friend to tolkien, I have a hard time believing lewis was devout also. However Lewis movie had an awesome story line portraiting the gospel, there were still alot of witchcraft tied to the "christian" side of the story.
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Post by CHARLES WARMACK on May 26, 2006 6:11:51 GMT -5
Ryan, I for one, enjoyed the movie, for it's creatism, and imaginative view of history. However, i was very upset when they said that Jesus was just a man, and had no divinity whatsoever. For all of us who believe, without question, the movie is just a fanciful tale that is to be laughed at. Make any true believer question their faith?? I don't think so. If watching the movie made them question, then maybe THEY need to have a heart to heart with Jesus. One day, long ago, I got down on my knees, and told God that I was a sinner, and that I had violated His word, and I needed Jesus. I told Him that I believed that Jesus died for me and everyone else in this world, and that whosoever believed in Him would be saved. I asked Jesus to come into my heart and save me, and cleanse me, and confessed to Him that I was a sinner and that was why I needed salvation, because he sacrificed Himself so I could one day reach Heaven. Get offended and upset when I see such obvious B.S. I don't think so. The movie is just that, a movie. If something so trivial makes you scared, then you are weak. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, when all of the evidence is placed in front of a person, they will know the truth. For all of you who do not believe in Jesus, and that he died for you, and everyone else consider this. People say that they believe what they see, or what they can touch, or what they can feel. You cannot see Jesus. You cannot touch Jesus. But if you just take a leap of faith, for just one moment, and try to believe that he Died for all of us........ and confess that he died for all of our sins, and just for one moment accept that you are not perfect, and that he can save you, despite whatever you have done wrong, when you ask HIM to make you right, you will feel Him fill you with love and happiness. You need to feel something to make you believe, do what I have typed, and you will believe............ Because you will FEEL IT. And then you will know it is true. It is not brainwashing as many say. It is an effort by someone who is willing to make a stand, and admit they are not perfect and that they need something.It requires SELF WILL, not someone telling them they should. You might not believe in Jesus or God, but they BELIEVE IN YOU. Give it a try. They will not dissapoint you.
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Post by Bill Maenza on May 26, 2006 7:27:27 GMT -5
i have a hard time believing tolkien was devout. He may have been, i dont know. I knew you would, but I think that is because he was Catholic as far as lotr and harry potter, there is a significant difference in the two. I agree with this statement Harry potter is an evil movie, thats the bottom line. Uh, I think it is just a movie but I think that was also covered in depth in another thread. LOTR is a little bit different, but if you say that its a "christian" movie id say your wrong. I didn't say it was a christian movie just that Tolkien was a devout christian and a "Christian" Should never portrait jesus as wizard. It is blasphemy to associate Jesus Christ with the things of the devil. Agreed. NARNIA, is written by cs lewis this guy was a close friend to tolkien, I have a hard time believing lewis was devout also. However Lewis movie had an awesome story line portraiting the gospel, there were still alot of witchcraft tied to the "christian" side of the story. Sorry - did not see or read this one due to time constraints as opposed to philosophical reasons.
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