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Post by Justin Kaufman on Dec 30, 2006 18:00:06 GMT -5
I would have to agree that there was more order when he was in power but ruling with an "IRON FIST and by fear" is no way for anybody to have to live.
The great USA has hundreds maybe thousands of races and mixed races not to mention religions (too many in my opinion) but you don't see civil wars, public executions and choas on a regular basis here.
I say see ya to Saddam and "GOD BLESS AMERICA", hopefully we will leave that horrible place soon and bring our people home.
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Post by Anthony Snook on Dec 30, 2006 18:03:16 GMT -5
He used mustard gas on his people, is that not a CHEMICAL used in "CHEMICAL WEAPONS"?
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Post by enginterzi on Dec 30, 2006 18:09:19 GMT -5
in USA there is permanent and old State that has been in charge for so many years.the case in Iraq can not be compared by the case in USA by any meaning.we are talking about a dynamite that has been lighted by the operation of Iraqy freedom.
you will not find the Arabs (shiite&sunni) friendly to USA.shiites only used Americans to get rid of Saddam because shiite Iraqies are under the control of Iran and they are the largest population in Iraq.
i agree with you Justin.the place is horrible now as it has never been before and your soldiers better leave Iraq as soon as possible because you guys are dealing with people who are not afraid of death,so they have NOTHING valuable to lose.
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Post by Anthony Snook on Dec 30, 2006 18:12:17 GMT -5
In response to the US soldiers raping and murdering people in Iraq, I think they should be delt with as well. The same with those raping and murdering people in this and every other country in the world. The chances are they won't get what they deserve either(by the court system), so I can only hope they get what I hope saddam is getting.
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Post by Justin Kaufman on Dec 30, 2006 18:16:52 GMT -5
We agree on that point. I would like nothing more than for our troops to be out of there. However I believe the only reason we are there now is to keep an eye on Iran, which in my and many others opinions is the biggest threat the world is facing right now.
I like Anthony wish that we would have never gone there in the first place.
I also wish they would find and kill Bin- Laden (which was suposedly the reason for going in the first place) and get the f@#k out of other peoples messes.
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Post by enginterzi on Dec 30, 2006 18:17:09 GMT -5
He used mustard gas on his people, is that not a CHEMICAL used in "CHEMICAL WEAPONS"? i believe that past and present tense are different things as with the all technology they found "NONE". the interesting thing is that operation Iraqy freedom did not happen when he used mustard gas very openly front of the world,but it happenned when some politicians needed a reason for it even though there was no more of those weapons which was proved by Hans Blik as the official inspector of the UN.
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Post by Austin Slater on Dec 30, 2006 18:21:45 GMT -5
Engin U.S. soldiers raping Iraqi women? I would love to see proof of this. That is a flat out lie by your media or someone else. Saddam did have weapons of mass destruction and every intelligence agency in the world agrees with this and the evidence is overwelming. He gassed his own people with wmd's. How did he do that if he didnt have any? We didnt find any because he had ample time to move them, hide them etc. There are an estimated thousands and thousands and possible a million dead from Saddam. Iraq is a better place now then when he was in power.
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Post by Austin Slater on Dec 30, 2006 18:24:11 GMT -5
Interesting article on the lies being spread about our soldiers:
As Senator Dick Durbin's hollow non-apology continues to ring in our ears and Senator Ted Kennedy's braying, "Iraq is an abysmal failure...," is replayed daily, is it any wonder that Islamic groups gain in boldness and confidence?
Once again, an Islamic publication called "The Party for Islamic Renewal" has published an editorial that smelled up my e-mail box from the second it arrived.
In this editorial, by someone apparently afraid to put his name on it, the writer protects himself even more by planting the word "alleged" before everything he says because he knows everything he is saying is a lie. At least he is smart enough to try to avoid being sued.
I feel that it is my duty to inform Americans of what Muslims are being force-fed by the terrorists who "fight with a pen instead of a gun." These terrorists are dangerous because they keep the hatred and fighting going with their constant flow of lies and distortions.
Just a few weeks ago, I read a claim by an Islamic columnist who stated that it was the Americans doing all the slaughtering in Iraq. From an Islamic point of view, Muslims slaughtering Muslims was difficult to explain. Many Muslims were starting to ask questions. This was not good public relations for Islam. Islamic writers had to devise a strategy that would not only be believed by ignorant Muslims but would have the duel purpose of enraging them.
So this week's offering by some Islamic hiding behind his computer is this: "It's the Jews!" The author claims, "It is alleged that hundreds of Zionists Mossad agents of (the) Israeli army and (an) International "elimination squad" in American uniforms are taking part in the massacre." The author also states that Islamic terrorists or "so-called al Qaeda" have nothing to do with any of the butchering of Iraqi civilians.
The claim is that Arabic speaking Mossad agents have been inserted into Iraq and Afghanistan because they are so good at killing the helpless.
With a few words, this Islamic writer absolved Islam of all wrongdoing.
But it gets better. This amazingly creative writer claims sex-starved American soldiers are rampaging across both Iraq and Afghanistan raping every woman they find. Day and night, all American soldiers do is hunt down Muslim women to rape.
The editorial says, "Sex starved American beasts even raided the wedding party to abduct Muslim women. Sex hungry American Marines went into villages even at broad daylight to 'get the ration.' (women)" The editorial continues by stating that if the men tried to stand up the "beastly American rapist thugs," they were slaughtered.
The unidentified writer of this piece of trash goes on to declare that attempts were made to bring in shiploads of women just to try and satisfy the unquenchable thirst that American troops have for sex. This writer claims that no honorable Islamic country would allow it, but states that if American troops can't get to a Muslim woman, they attack their own female soldiers. The mystery writer goes on to claim that even the wives of the regiment leaders are raped by these uncontrollable animals. This is a quite a feat considering no American wives are in Iraq and even the generals must leave the wives at home.
If one studies Islam, it becomes apparent very early in the studies that sex is something Islamics don't know how to deal with. Muslims are obsessed with sex. It is said that Muslim women are covered from head to toe because of respect for their dignity. However, if they appear uncovered, Muslim men seem to become so excited that they can't control themselves. If an uncovered Muslim woman is raped, it is considered her fault because she was asking to be raped.
Incest is reported to be a large problem in strict Islamic countries since frustrated young men turn on their sisters or cousins because they are not even allowed to see a woman outside the family. The female family members who are attacked have no recourse because they must produce three male witnesses to the attack or face being stoned.
Using sex and the "alleged" rape of Muslim women by raging American troops is a powerful propaganda tool for the Islamics. Nothing will enrage moderate Muslims faster than believing that innocent Muslim women are being ravaged by infidels. It doesn't take much to turn a peaceful Muslim into a raging terrorist. That is the goal of this propaganda.
The editorial writer summarizes by stating that the White House will not decide when the ruthless slaughter of innocent Iraqis will end but that Tel-Aviv will decide. This is the second ingredient needed to enrage Muslims: drag the Jews into the fray. Islam has long blamed the Jews for all Muslim failings. Many Muslims believe that there are 200 million illiterate Arab Muslims because of the Jews. They say that Muslims live in poverty because of the Jews and America is under the control of Israel. The fact that none of these accusations can be proven is never addressed by Islamics.
So, to summarize the radical Islamic point of view, the Jews do the killing and the Americans just rape everything female that moves.
Apparently forgetting that many statements in this diatribe were prefaced with "alleged," the writer ends his unsubstantiated pack of lies with, "And this is the truth." If it is the truth, why does he try to protect himself with the word "alleged"? Why does he not put his name on this editorial? If it is there, I could not find it. This man is inciting hatred and anger based on his own made-up accusations, and he knows this. But he also knows that many Muslims who read this tripe will believe it.
Put this writer's lies with the words of our own liberal senators and what you have is a strong recruiting tool for Islam. Perhaps we Americans should demand proof of this man's accusations. The editor-in-chief of this web paper, "Party for Islamic Renewal," is Barrister Ali Muhammad Azhar and the e-mail address is: Al-hilal@NTLWORLD.com. Contact this man and demand that he produce his references for this editorial or publicly retract it. It is time that America became pro-active against this slander. Let this man hear your voice demanding proof or a full retraction. Lies eventually become the truth when they are not challenged.
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Post by enginterzi on Dec 30, 2006 18:33:48 GMT -5
Engin U.S. soldiers raping Iraqi women? I would love to see proof of this. That is a flat out lie by your media or someone else. Saddam did have weapons of mass destruction and every intelligence agency in the world agrees with this and the evidence is overwelming. He gassed his own people with wmd's. How did he do that if he didnt have any? We didnt find any because he had ample time to move them, hide them etc. There are an estimated thousands and thousands and possible a million dead from Saddam. Iraq is a better place now then when he was in power. how many years had Saddam been in power? and in how many years 650.000 civillian people died? the flat lie is a possible million murdering by Saddam!! Iraq is right at the next door here and we do not get to know everything by the media who serves to the certain people.we have our own people there too.i hope that you are not counting the dead people from Iran-Iraq war that Saddam was getting supported by USA. he did not gas his "own" people,he gassed Kurds who are as human as other races but not Saddam's own people(same as like American indians in the past). American soldiers do not rape? www.theage.com.au/news/world/rape-american-soldiers-took-turns/2006/08/08/1154802889413.html Rape: American soldiers 'took turns' DRUNKEN American soldiers took turns to rape a 14-year-old Iraqi girl, a military tribunal has heard. The men murdered her and her family and celebrated by grilling chicken wings. The soldiers, from the 101st Airborne Division, were on checkpoint duty when they decided they "wanted to kill some Iraqis", the tribunal in Baghdad was told. It was the first time that an account had been given publicly of what is alleged to have happened in Mahmudiya, south of Baghdad, on March 12. Sergeant Paul Cortez, Specialist James Barker, Private Jesse Spielman and Private Bryan Howard are charged with conspiracy to rape and murder. A fifth man, Sergeant Anthony Yribe, is charged with not reporting the attack. Former private Steven Green faces rape and murder charges in a civilian court. Special agent Benjamin Bierce recounted the sworn testimony Barker had given him. After two hours of interrogation, Barker said the men had been playing cards and drinking. Green is alleged to have raised the idea of killing some Iraqis. The men changed into black clothing and ski masks and told Howard to stand look-out. The girl, Abeer Qassim Hamza al-Janabi, and her father were standing outside a house. The soldiers allegedly dragged them inside and pushed the man, his wife and younger daughter, 6, into a side room where Green stood guard over them. Barker's statement said Cortez pushed the girl to the floor and tore off her clothes as Barker held her down. She held her knees together and struggled as Cortez tried to rape her. A gun shot came from the side room as the men switched places. More shots were heard from the side room and Green emerged with an AK-47. He allegedly said, "They're all dead," before raping the girl and shooting her several times. Barker said her body was set alight. Green opened the house's propane tank to set it on fire. They burnt their clothes, threw the gun into a canal and, back at the checkpoint, brought out the chicken wings. TELEGRAPH
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Post by enginterzi on Dec 30, 2006 18:38:25 GMT -5
. If an uncovered Muslim woman is raped, it is considered her fault because she was asking to be raped. . everything you wrote is a lie but esspecially this one above is the greatest one.it is the capital punishment that they do to the raper in Islam no matter if woman is covered or not covered.you should feek shame Austin for copying what you do not know but i remember you from your past lies to about Quran and still asking me for help about armwrestling by pms without shame.
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Post by Austin Slater on Dec 30, 2006 18:48:59 GMT -5
Engin are you kidding? Im sure rape has happened but not on the scale you say it has. One incident out of thousands and thousands of troops? This is a lower percentage then in the general population. So Saddams hasnt killed thousands of people? He hasnt raped, killed and tortured innocent people in huge numbers? How can you defend a guy who hired a guy to whose only job was to rape certian peoples wives to get them to fold against him? What does armwrestling advice have to do with your anti-american posts? I respect your armwrestling knowledge and that is why I have asked your advice in the past. I dont respect your anti-american statements over and over on this board. Also rape is condemmed by Islamic law? What about Honor killings, Beheadings, killing of Christians in the sudan and other islamic nations etc? Your right Islam is a religion of peace and Im sure Saddam was a model leader as well and we are the true bad guys. Im not even sure why I even waste my time with this. . .
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Post by enginterzi on Dec 30, 2006 18:50:14 GMT -5
Austin,
why do you involve religion again when there is no subject about religion?i can bring real proves about raping comments from bible and tens of them.but the subject has nothing to do with religion.but we all know that it is pointless,i can gladly go again for days and even for months but i will not mention religion as long as you dont bring here your new slanderings.
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Post by Austin Slater on Dec 30, 2006 18:51:50 GMT -5
So is this any worse then 3000 plus dead in New York? Is this worse then Saddams Killing of innocent people? Is this worse then 800,000 thousand Christians dying in the Sudan? Is this worse then the beheadings done on Muslim tv? Im guessing you would rather stand naked with underwear on your head then to be caught by a islamic extremest and not be a muslim.
On a side note I do not condone what those soldiers did in the pics and they are paying the price for it. . .
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Post by enginterzi on Dec 30, 2006 18:54:19 GMT -5
to inform your ignorance,Saddam was not an islamic leader.he had a party that is called baas which is "A SOCIALIST" party regime.
i do not remember myself defending Saddam here,i stated many times and i state for your blind eyes once again.he was a criminal dictator!! can you read? you want me to repeat again? he was a criminal dictator!! can you read this time??
but i say that the things are worser in Iraq since the operation Iraqy freedom!! we are neighbors with Iraq and "WE" feel the heat permanently here,do you get it?
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Post by Austin Slater on Dec 30, 2006 18:54:38 GMT -5
Engin-Im just tired of the anti-american posts and the lies about our country and military. . .
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