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Post by guy on Apr 21, 2007 19:22:21 GMT -5
Eli, that is great stuff you posted. However I do believe boxing is making a come back. Boxing is one of the few sports you can compare past with present. I do believe todays heavyweights are better than most people want to give them creidt for. Guy, my top ten is similar to most of the experts. I do believe most of them don't give Holmes the respect he deserves. In my book he is number 2. TK, I understand the part about you being young when Tyson was at his best. Kind of gives them that larger than life presence. Maywheather-De La Hoya in 2 weeks!!! That is going to be a great fight!!! Totally agree about Holmes, I see him as a top 5-6
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Post by guy on Apr 21, 2007 19:27:04 GMT -5
Guy, I'll beleive TY's Ps2....before all that crap.......i never said TYson was the best....just better than Ali prime vs prime.....those old boxers wouldget killed against the new.... my top 5 1. Larry Holmes (he killed the King) 2. Mike TYson 3. Evander Holyfield 4. Joe louis 5. Ali 6. Rocky Balboa (Rocky 3 , Rocky 4) 7. Raging bull ( DeNiro) TK I guess you are smarter than all the experts and those who voted on this Poll.. Your opinion is the Minority Im afraid. I even think Arnold Cream would have beaten Tyson
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Post by jamesretarides on Apr 22, 2007 6:59:22 GMT -5
Joe Louis Muhammad Ali Jack Johnson George Foreman Larry Holmes Jack Dempsey Sonny Liston Jim Jeffries Lennox Lewis Mike Tyson Rocky Marciano Joe Frazier Riddick Bowe Evander Holyfield Sam Langford Gene Tunney James J. Corbett Ezzard Charles Jersey Joe Walcott Max Schmeling
Guy, I noticed he put Schmeling at the bottom of the top 20 despite the fact that he gave Louis all he could handle. Another guy that gave Louis all he could handle despite not ever even being mentioned as the best pound for pound was Billy Conn. Conn would have beaten Louis if he just layed off in the final round.
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Post by Ty Kissner on Apr 22, 2007 11:26:24 GMT -5
toughest fighter ever is Billy Miske, Ill get you a story on this guy, Now this guy had Kahones...
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Post by Ty Kissner on Apr 22, 2007 11:29:26 GMT -5
'Twas the Fight before Christmas
Click here for more on this story Posted: Tuesday December 21, 1999 05:34 PM
You can take all your Tiny Tims and your Grinches and your Miracles on Whatever Street and stuff them in your stocking. The best Christmas story is about a boxer.
It starts the day in 1918 when a doctor tells a slender heavyweight named Billy Miske that his bum kidneys give him five years to live, if he's lucky. Turns out he's dying of Bright's disease. This comes as rotten news to Billy, who's only 24 years old and not half bad in the ring. He's good enough to fight guys like future light heavyweight champ Harry Greb twice to 10-round draws, which is sort of like tying with a twister. Still, the doc says if Billy's smart, he'll find a comfortable couch and retire right now.
Problem is, almost nobody but Billy knows he's up to his ears in debt, being $100,000 in the hole because the car distributorship he operates in St. Paul doesn't distribute near enough cars. Billy's weakness as a salesman is that he's too trusting. He keeps counting on his friends to pay up, and mostly they don't. So Billy keeps the kidney news to himself and decides to continue fighting and paying what he owes. In fact, Billy fights 30 more times after the doc's death sentence, including bust-ups with guys like Tommy Gibbons, who was knocked out only one time in his career, and three dances with Jack Dempsey, once for the title in 1920.
Dempsey hits people only slightly harder than a bus, and in that title bout he belts Billy once so flush in the heart that Billy goes down for a nine count. In those nine seconds a purple welt the size of a baseball pops up on Billy's chest, scaring Dempsey half to death. But then Billy himself pops up, wanting more. Dempsey knocks him clean out less than a minute later, this time with an anvil to the jaw, as Dempsey is trying to get the fight over before one of them faints, maybe Dempsey. "I was afraid I'd killed him," Dempsey says afterward, but Billy's kidneys are doing a good job of that all by themselves.
By the fall of 1923, Billy is dying fast. He looks like a broomstick on a diet. He's too weak to work out, much less prizefight. The only thing thinner than Billy's arms is his wallet. He hasn't had a bout since January, which is trouble, because Christmas is coming up hard.
Well, Billy isn't about to face his wife, Marie, and their three young kids, Billy Jr., Douglas and Donna, tapped out for his last Christmas, so he goes to his longtime manager, Jack Reddy, and asks him for one last fight. Reddy says no chance. "I don't like to say this," Reddy tells him, "but if you went in the ring now, in your condition, you might get killed."
"What's the difference?" Billy answers. "It's better than waiting for it in a rocking chair."
Reddy chews on that for a while and comes up with a proposition: "Do one thing for me. Go to the gym, start working out, and let's see if you can get into some kind of condition. Then we'll talk."
Billy says no can do. He says there's no way he can work out. He says he's got one last fight in him, and maybe not even that. A softie, Reddy arranges a Nov. 7 bout in Omaha against a brawler named Bill Brennan, who went 12 rounds with Dempsey and is still meaner than 10 miles in brand-new shoes.
True to his word, Billy doesn't get any nearer the gym than his aspirin bottle. He stays in hiding, slurping bowls of chicken soup and boiled fish, and rarely making it out of bed. But he turns up in Omaha on the appointed night, survives four rounds with Brennan and cashes a check for $2,400.
That check buys the best Christmas the Miskes ever have. The kids come flying downstairs in the morning to a Christmas tree, a toy train, a baby-grand piano and presents stacked higher than they can reach. They eat like Rockefellers and sing like angels and laugh all day. Do you know, the only smile bigger in Minneapolis that day than the ones on the faces of those three Miske kids is on Billy's mug.
The next morning Billy calls Reddy and whispers, "Come and get me, Jack. I'm dying." Reddy rushes Billy to St. Mary's Hospital, but the doctors can't do a thing. On New Year's Day 1924, Billy, 29, dies of kidney failure.
That's it, really. Except that if you ever pass through Omaha and run into an old-timer, ask him about the prizefight that day, the one that gave Billy Miske the finish he wanted, the one he won in four rounds, over Bill Brennan, by a knockout.
this is from sports illustrated, now this is a tough man.....
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Post by TK on Apr 22, 2007 16:09:36 GMT -5
I guess you are smarter than all the experts and those who voted on this Poll.. Your opinion is the Minority Im afraid.
I even think Arnold Cream would have beaten Tyson
maybe so....but the experts don't control how i view things...i can think for myself.....
and i much as i hate ALI i still rank him high...have no choice he was great....but if he would have tried that rope a dope caarap with a real boxer..he would have gotten killed....back in day it was more for the ET of it....The real boxing started later.... have a good one Guy.
TK
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Post by guy on May 11, 2007 16:08:50 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Coletti on May 11, 2007 17:47:34 GMT -5
Ali had the best chin of any heavyweight ever...He had more stamina and speed than any other heavy. Tyson has always been vulnerable to head games and couldn't handle the deep end of the pool that Ali would have taken him to before the fight. No match..Ali kicks his face in. A young Cassius would have played with him before knocking him out.
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Post by TK on May 11, 2007 21:58:07 GMT -5
Ali # 2 and Tyson # 50 all time. the greatest experts collided on this one except Todd King of course Guy, You know better than Tyson being #50.......he knocked a lot of people out..... Ali at #2 is kind of a stretch too ...rope a dope....what a joke....kind of reminds me of the WWF....fake,,,,,,the Ghost TKO punch.....lol TK
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Post by Russell Stark on May 22, 2007 0:22:56 GMT -5
Ali had the best chin of any heavyweight ever...He had more stamina and speed than any other heavy. Tyson has always been vulnerable to head games and couldn't handle the deep end of the pool that Ali would have taken him to before the fight. No match..Ali kicks his face in. A young Cassius would have played with him before knocking him out. You are on the money Chris, Ali would make short work of Tyson.
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Post by Carey Nick on May 22, 2007 7:10:23 GMT -5
TK
Next match-up or are you taking a break?
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Post by Casey Szparaga on May 22, 2007 8:53:03 GMT -5
Short work?? Doubt it....Mike could take a punch.
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Post by Chris Coletti on May 25, 2007 23:18:38 GMT -5
It would have been over in less than 8. Ali wins every round.
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Post by Matt "CHOP" Bertrand on May 25, 2007 23:51:58 GMT -5
George Forman was the Mike Tyson of that day. While Tyson knocked out guys like Sterling Benjamin in the first round, Big George did it to the likes of Joe Frazier. Ali would win, no doubt in my mind. Tyson would punch himself out early and like Bob said, stick and move would finally either put Tyson in LA LA land somewhere around the ninth or Ali would take a unanimous decision. Just my opinion. You cant compare Mike tyson to George Foreman. Tyson was twice as fast. There was also no other man in boxing history to be feared as much as mike tyson.
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Post by Matt "CHOP" Bertrand on May 25, 2007 23:56:37 GMT -5
Do you all not remember the Tyson vs Buster Douglas fight. If you want to get technical...if you really watched the fight Tyson knocked Buster down for 12 seconds.around round 3 or 4 ..the refs failed on the 10 count ....that ref changed boxing history.....anyone has this fight on video watch it..& you'll see Tyson really won that fight. TK Actually if you do some research on the fight, the boxing comission in the back were coming down to stop the fight because of that 12 second issue. But unfortunatly Douglass already won by that time. I have it, your wrong. Tyson got his ass kicked
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