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Post by Chris Coletti on Jun 19, 2007 14:54:30 GMT -5
One of the dumbest questions ever! This is not a "Would you vote for a black guy?" question. Your race does not dictate your moral views. Your religious preference almost exclusively does!
For the record I am a Republican. I voted for Bush twice. I can honestly say that I believe George W will go down as the worst President ever! I also believe that the Republicans will win again in 2008! What does that say for the Democratic party. It is an unorganized mess.
Ryan if you believe that when you vote you can get any idea of what your candidate really believes or who they really are you also are a moron. Do you for one second believe that Bill Clinton or George W are really Christian??? COME ON DUDE! They are puppets to their party and the vote...THAT'S IT! I think if we were to look for Satan on earth the first place we should look is at the Presidential Candidates. These guys are evil, all of them. The fact that Romney is standing by his religion and going against the popular vote and that of his party would tell you that he may be the only honest man in the race. That is something that should be considered.
Good and honest men are almost impossible to find in politics because of how much rides on them being likable. How many people have you met that are truly likable...It's all Bull S H I T.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jun 20, 2007 7:15:48 GMT -5
Mike huckabee is very likable and seems to be honest. I never said bush or clinton were christians...i said no president has gotten in office without "claiming" christianity. I can tell you whos really the puppet master in all of this....for the sake of friendships i wont go there
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Post by Chris Coletti on Jun 20, 2007 11:32:44 GMT -5
It would drive you crazy if you were to try and find a good man to vote for. I vote the platform. If Romney were a Republican I would consider who I thought was the best puppet to beat the Dem's That's the biggest thing I consider. Which Republican can blow the most smoke to the voters and win. Then the Platform of the Republican party wins and so do I.
P.S. Huckabee is not honest...Just good at creating a facade of trustworthiness. Do we really need another Arkansas Governor as President???
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Post by Eli Maynard on Jun 20, 2007 13:05:19 GMT -5
P.S. Huckabee is not honest...Just good at creating a facade of trustworthiness. Do we really need another Arkansas Governor as President??? Chris, being from the great state of Arkansas, I can answer that question with a resounding NO.
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Post by Robert Bishop on Jun 20, 2007 13:16:50 GMT -5
Are any of them masons because i wouldnt vote for one because of the satanism thats in it.Thats one reason i wouldnt vote for a mormon because of the same thing.A lot of people that have become christians say there is satanism in the upper level of the mormon church.Ive heard that alot of our presidents where mosons but i dont know if thats true or not.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jun 20, 2007 13:40:08 GMT -5
and....theres that can i was trying to avoid....... the true puppet masters
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jun 20, 2007 13:40:57 GMT -5
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Post by gambit on Jun 20, 2007 15:28:41 GMT -5
Are any of them masons because i wouldnt vote for one because of the satanism thats in it.Thats one reason i wouldnt vote for a mormon because of the same thing.A lot of people that have become christians say there is satanism in the upper level of the mormon church.Ive heard that alot of our presidents where mosons but i dont know if thats true or not. Actually, Robert, 8 Presidents, who were FreeMasons, signed the Declaration of Independence, 8 Signed the Articles of Confederation, and 13 signed the US Constitution. George Washington was one among them... I have had this conversation with my good friend, Ryan before, and will say that if you are going to be as ignorant as to not know if any of our past Presidents were Masons, then you, nor anyone else for that matter, can tell me Satanism is within said fraternity. You are going off of hearsay, not facts.
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Post by Chris Kaufman on Jun 20, 2007 15:44:46 GMT -5
I read somewhere that the last 4 presidents are/were confirmed masons. Not sure how high up or whatever though.
So, if our country was literally founded by Masons, and Masons are allegedly "Satanic", "Pagan", or whatever. What does that say about the whole "our country was founded on religion, and should be involved in politics"?
It's kind of ironic seeing how Bush Jr. won this last go around pretty much entirely because of religion. Just goes to show that all politicians are full of crap and we are all sheep.
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Post by gambit on Jun 20, 2007 16:03:14 GMT -5
That's just it, nothing in FreeMasonry is Satanic.
This country was founded on Christian morals and Freemason were part of it. How does that relate to Masons being satan worshipers? It doesn't.
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Post by Scott Latella on Jun 20, 2007 16:45:52 GMT -5
Allen knows all about presidents. Here are facts that Allen sent to me once I told him I liked Abe.
Abraham Lincoln was elected to Congress in 1846. John F. Kennedy was elected to Congress in 1946.
Abraham Lincoln was elected President in 1860. John F. Kennedy was elected President in 1960.
Both were particularly concerned with civil rights. Both wives lost their children while living in the White House.
Both Presidents were shot on a Friday. Both Presidents were shot in the head.
Now it gets really weird.
Lincoln's secretary was named Kennedy. Kennedy's Secretary was named Lincoln.
Both were assassinated by Southerners. Both were succeeded by Southerners named Johnson.
Andrew Johnson, who succeeded Lincoln, was born in 1808. Lyndon Johnson, who succeeded Kennedy, was born in 1908.
John Wilkes Booth, who assassinated Lincoln, was born in 1839. Lee Harvey Oswald, who assassinated Kennedy, was born in 1939.
Both assassins were known by their three names. Both names are composed of fifteen letters.
Now hang on to your seat.
Lincoln was shot at the theater named 'Ford.' Kennedy was shot in a car called 'Lincoln' made by 'Ford.'
Booth and Oswald were assassinated before their trials.
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Post by TK on Jun 20, 2007 17:21:00 GMT -5
Joe,
I agree with you slightly....Ryan I love you man...but to pick on someone else's religion is going against what your Bible preaches....A morman is no different from a black man or the Pope....it's being judgemental and controlling.....why can't religious folks just sit around on sundays eat their wafers and give away thier money to thier church...worship a "God of thier " choice and leave everyone alone.....what frigging difference does it make someones religius background....hell how do you know the Morman's religion is not the better religion....eeeesshhhhhhuuttttttuuupppp!!!
still love ya Ryan...but jeeshh
my vote was for being out of line!!!!!!!
TK
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Post by Justin Kaufman on Jun 20, 2007 18:52:29 GMT -5
Most people who hate the "mormons", hate them because they (from what my dad says), because they have a huge following, don't bother people (push their religion on you), their preachers (or whatever they call themselves ) are retired, mostly professionals (docs, lawyers, etc..) , keep the money they have within their religion and they have alot of it. My dad is a convert to mormonism and we had a whole conversation of the mormon religion, while laying sod one day. With that said I think the religion sounds a little hoakey but I choose to believe what I believe and I'll let him believe whatever he wants. It does seem though that what is not known seems to be threatening to some, the mormon religion as well as the masons is somewhat secretive, that doesn't mean it's bad!!!
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jun 20, 2007 19:14:45 GMT -5
it doesnt mean it isnt either .......... Todd i think your out of line as stated before a man being black doesnt change the core of his beliefs.....but his religion does. I believe that the majority of mason do not know what they are involved in....i will not say that allen or any other mason that they know is satanic. but i do stand by the idea that it at its core is satanic. as albert pike said "the god of the masons is luciferic in nature" I believe our founding fathers for the most part was unaware of what it was...im sure some of them where well aware of it. Like i said...i didnt want to reopen this nasty can because people get offended. Id vote for a mason before id vote for a mormon......they arent too much different, but ultimatly they are.
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Post by Chris Kaufman on Jun 20, 2007 19:14:51 GMT -5
Also to clarify, I said allegedly and meant it. I have absolutely nothing against the Free Masons.
As far as Mormons or any other religion for that matter, you do your thing and I'll do mine. The only time we'll have a problem is when you start preaching to or "trying to save" me. If I want to be "saved" or whatever I'll come to you, so you can save your breath. That is the worst trait of human beings, or to be more specific our culture because not every human being on the planet lives as we do, is that we believe 100% that our way of living is the one and only, "god given", right way. And that trait is amplified and used as a tool with things like religion. It's bullcrap, and that's what I saw in the other post.
I always liked the quote from I think Friedrich Nietzsche's The Antichrist, "Is Man God's Biggest Mistake, or is God Man's?" Chew on that for a bit.
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