Ernie
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Post by Ernie on Jun 20, 2007 19:43:00 GMT -5
The ONLY truly honest man in this presidential race at this time is Ron Paul. Watch the videos on the links below BEFORE you respond to that comment.
Ryan is absolutely NOT out of line by simply asking a question. How far has this country fallen from true liberty when telling the truth is a crime and stating facts is considered "hate speech" by some? Your opinion is an absolute no-no!
If he is out of line for simply asking a question then I will be absolutely demonized for what is to follow.
What you believe guides how you will act.
Sorry to stir the pot on this, Allen, but it is up to the initiate to figure out the truth. That is from Freemasonry's own publications. You obviously haven't figured it out yet.
Have you ever read "Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry" by Albert Pike? He is the most revered Mason of all time. He has a statue in Washington D.C. even though he was banned from the country for a period of time after the Civil War. At the Grand Lodge in D.C. there is even an "Albert Pike room." I say all this to make it clear that he is considered "the man" when it comes to Freemasonry.
The book is commonly called just "Morals and Dogma" and used to be given to every Mason upon reaching the Royal Arch (7th) degree but the practice was discontinued when too many copies of it were getting out to the public at large. It says right in the beginning that it is not for the public to see. I have a copy of it that was published in 1919. Nothing in it has been changed since except adding an index and things like that. The text as written has remained as it was written.
If you would like I will give you page numbers and specific quotes for everything I'm about to say. I will have to dig out my copy of the book.
We are told that the teachings and practices of Freemasonry follow the bible, both old and new testaments. If that is so then why are all the masonic symbols along an Egyptian motif? Look at the "Shriners" as an example. You must be a 33rd degree freemason to be a "Shriner."
As a "master Mason" you have only reached the third degree which is only enough to mislead you. You have taken oaths not to reveal anything and to protect "brother" masons from all things and protect him from prosecution ("murder and treason excepted") if within your power to do so without putting yourself in danger but that contradicts the bible's admonition to swear no oaths. (James 5:12 & Matt. 5:33-37) If you would advance to the Royal Arch degree you would be required to take that oath to protect a "brother" mason "without exception."
Albert Pike made it clear that the initiate is intentionally mislead.
Remember: EVERYTHING in Freemasonry is about symbolism.
Freemasonry is, as they call it, a "search for light." The question is then, who has the light? In Pike's book the word "Light" is capitalized signifying deity. If memory serves me correctly it is on page 321 where Pike reveals who bears the "Light which blinds all feeble,...., and selfish souls..." It is Lucifer. In Pike's own words. A man cannonized by the Masonic leadership.
Why is the compass and square placed on TOP of the bible in the lodge? It symbolizes that freemasonry is above God's word.
Why are you not allowed to speak of politics or religion in the lodge if it follows the bible? We are commanded to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ to all we meet. But that's not allowed in the lodge.
The "G" on the lodge does not stand for God as you are told. The hidden meaning is "gnosticism" or hidden knowledge.
I could go on forever with facts regarding freemasonry as well as facts regarding the Mormon religion and how its teachings directly contradict the bible.
Rest assured with what I know about both I will NOT vote for anybody I know is a member "in good standing" of either organization.
Remember: What you believe guides how you will act.
Many of you are now extremely angry at what you have read. It is not your fault that you have been mislead. You were intentionally mislead. Your anger should be directed at those that mislead you.
I would highly recommend that anybody in either organization should leave it immediately.
I would be willing to speak personally with anybody that wishes to know more about either of these organizations. My number is easy enough to find and many of you already have it.
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Post by Robert Bishop on Jun 20, 2007 20:32:50 GMT -5
Good stuff Ernie i think some people think we critisize them just for the fun of it.Even on the back of the dollar bill is a masonic symbal of a trapazoid with an eye which is satan.Sometimes it seams to me some people would rather not know the truth
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Post by Bob Paradis on Jun 20, 2007 21:48:43 GMT -5
Thanks for the courage Ernie. This is difficult subject matter, but souls are lost when knowledgeable people refuse to speak out.
This is no joke folks. I mean no offense. But, some of the "religions" out there today do not point you to God.
I hope you get a lot of feedback Ernie. I hope people who really care take the time to call you and get the facts. Once people know the facts, they won't be so quick to criticize you and Ryan.
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Post by Bob Paradis on Jun 20, 2007 22:14:36 GMT -5
Also to clarify, I said allegedly and meant it. I have absolutely nothing against the Free Masons. As far as Mormons or any other religion for that matter, you do your thing and I'll do mine. The only time we'll have a problem is when you start preaching to or "trying to save" me. If I want to be "saved" or whatever I'll come to you, so you can save your breath. That is the worst trait of human beings, or to be more specific our culture because not every human being on the planet lives as we do, is that we believe 100% that our way of living is the one and only, "god given", right way. And that trait is amplified and used as a tool with things like religion. It's bullcrap, and that's what I saw in the other post. I always liked the quote from I think Friedrich Nietzsche's The Antichrist, "Is Man God's Biggest Mistake, or is God Man's?" Chew on that for a bit. You have the right to not want to be preached to Chris. If you and I were co-workers, over time, we get to know what makes us who we are. That's natural. But, if you tell me you don't want to hear about religion, I won't talk about religion. However, on a forum like this, if you don't want to hear about religion, then don't read it. And that quote about man God's mistake...God man'smistake...that's one of the stupidest things I've ever read, and this wasn't the first time I've heard it. The idea of man being God's biggest mistake is reasonable to talk about...it addresses the idea of God giving us free will, etc. Very stimulating topic. The idea of God being man's biggest mistake...well that's just sad. We were made by God to serve God, to get to know God, to learn to love God, so that we can spend our eternal life with Him. Man did not create the concept of God. Jesus walked the earth and performed many miracles to show us that He was God. Jesus is a historical figure. Everything He did is well documented and well corroborated. And that's just a start. I hope you find it in your heart to have compassion for the braves souls who try to evangelize you. Some may have a lessor intellect than you, but some may have a greater intellect. Never have the pride to say, "what a dumb ass." People with Downs Syndrome once taught me greater depths of love than I have ever seen. You should have the humility to learn from everyone. You never know who Jesus is sending your way. God bless, Bob
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Post by Erick "Zap" Szczap on Jun 20, 2007 22:28:26 GMT -5
The ONLY truly honest man in this presidential race at this time is Ron Paul. Watch the videos on the links below BEFORE you respond to that comment. I mentioned Ron Paul in another thread and got laughed at for it. As of this moment, Ron Paul has my vote.
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Post by gambit on Jun 20, 2007 23:11:04 GMT -5
Ernie, You base your knowledge off of a book? Whether or not Pike was revered as "the man" of FreeMasonry, you are basing your words from your perception of the book. Let's make this simple: - Are you a Mason? - No, so don't presume by a book that you are an expert to what you have really NO knowledge of. No one, except who goes through the fraternity knows what goes on and what it means. It is ridiculed by those who do not get what they want from it, so can they truly be trusted?
- Have you ever seen the inside of a lodge besides what was on TV? - You may have, but I doubt it as well. If you had you wouldn't be saying what you are now. You could come back saying you have and I would have to take your word for it, but I will doubt it unless I see it with my own eyes. (See, I can play this game as well)
The initiate is purposely mislead? In what manner - so he will be naive as to what is about to happen? What is he mislead about? Matter of fact through this 1st degree the initiate is thoroughly explained everything he has seen. No misconceptions. No trickery. No fancy words. No abuse. No nonreligious acts.
No, I could go on and on!!
- In a college fraternity, do you know of their initiation rituals before you go through them? No! That's right...I used "fraternity", "Initiation", and "Rituals", because that is what they are! I don't see you guys bashing them. I wonder if any of you happen to have been in one?...Hmmm...? They themselves are the ones who physically assault their initiates.
- Have you ever stopped to factually understand why the Square and Compasses is on TOP of the Holy Bible rather than presuming? - Again, I think not. The reason they are on top is because they (square and compasses) are supported by God's teachings, not the purpose of the fraternity and the members thereof are ABOVE God, or His word, which it is not. This I take personally and it is not because I have been "mislead", which I have not.
- Why is Religion and Politics not discussed in lodge? - Because, as it has happened on this board many times, when you speak of religion you make enemies. When you speak of politics you make for an abrasive environment. This is something we do not do in lodge, due to keeping Peace, Love and Harmony. But I guess that is yet another misleading thing as well?
- Shriners must be a 33rd Degree Mason? NOPE, matter of fact the position of 'Shriner' is an honorary position given to anyone who is a Master Mason. Ernie, you should not come in with these statements when what you say is NOT true. Wherever you got it you were "mislead".
BTW, do you know what the Shriners do? Do research on them and look at the good they provide each and every day...FREE of charge to anyone who needs help. But, I suppose they are only helping to draw the weak into their web of deceit and Satanism?
- "In Search of Light", means to seek knowledge. Listen to me before you extend your already corrupt perception of it. When we seek Light, it is when we depart from West to East. Since light begins in the morning, and it (the Light) being in the East, it signifies the glory and grace of God, His teachings for true and moral deportments to whomever "seeks" it. Not given to, nor sought after, or by, Lucifer!
I ask EVERYONE, why is it in almost EVERY town in this country, there is a Masonic lodge? OH WAIT! Let me guess they (towns' people) have been "mislead" as well? Given what you to believe, why hasn't the towns' people burned us at the stake and run us out of town? Oh I'm sorry; it must be the corrupt government which is controlled by Masons! Geeezzz... Answer these questions people. Unless you are in the Fraternity, which I highly discourage based on your beliefs of it, and/or your intent to join, you don't know squat about it. You would only disgrace it by your conspiracy. Read your writings and listen to disheartened people who have gone through the rites and are mad because they weren't allowed to run it their way, instead of following historical accurate modes. Live according to your beliefs and I will to mine. Oh, and Robert B.... I not know the truth? You didn't even know if ANY of our Presidents were, and are, Masons, so please do not lecture on what you know nothing about. One more thing, the Eye on the dollar bill is the "all seeing eye" of Deity (God) and not Satan. It is not limited to Freemasonry. Again, you are wrong.
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Post by gambit on Jun 21, 2007 0:51:47 GMT -5
I hope you get a lot of feedback Ernie. I hope people who really care take the time to call you and get the facts. Once people know the facts, they won't be so quick to criticize you and Ryan. Uhhhh...Bob...I hate to break it to you, according to Ryan you don't have a snowball's chance in Hell...Oh Wait! That's where you are heading!!! ;D ;D This also is not my opion it is simple fact check it out. The popes name "Vicar of Christ" (my opinion: the most blashemous name of the pope) or in latin "VICARIVS FILII DEI" these are roman numerals for 5 1 10 1 5 150 1 1 500 1 dont add the same number more than once and you get 666 Revelation 13:18. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. ************************ [...] Blasphemy is the unpardonable sin. It is the total rejection of God. If you deny or denounce christ as Savior you have committed blashpemy. Because Christ is the only way to the father and through faith in his blood. If you deny that there is noway to be forgiven of any sin. [...] Ryan and I have been through many discussions about Masonry and we consider each other friends. Although he is wrong about Masonry! BTW, Masonry is not a religion. This explains my beliefs better: "Masonry is not a religion, and does nothing to interpret or effect various persuasions or faiths of its members. Masonry teaches, and has preserved in ancient purity, the cardinal tenet of the old primitive faith, which underlies, and indeed is the foundation of religion, which is that God is One, and that every member must have a firm and abiding faith in that fact.""Two principal truths should be recognized about the Church and Masonry. First, Masonry does not replace the Church in worship of God; and secondly, a spirit of cooperation and understanding is to be encouraged in both the Church and in the Masonic Temple. Since any misunderstanding is more likely to be on the part of church people looking at Masonry, rather than Masons looking at the Church, it becomes the responsibility of Masons to take positive and affirmative steps to ward off any misunderstanding."www.masonicworld.com/education/files/apr02/include/our%20trust%20is%20in%20god.htm
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jun 21, 2007 0:53:27 GMT -5
Erick i responded on the other thread.....i watched those videos...and i humbly admit i was wrong about ron paul...i still dont think he is going to be the man to bring us back to the basics tho.
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Post by Chris Coletti on Jun 21, 2007 7:49:16 GMT -5
Scott, Lincoln never had a secretary named Kennedy John Wilkes Booth was born in 1838 not 39, It's actually an old joke that's supposed to end with: A month before Lincoln was shot he was in Monroe, Maryland. A month before Kennedy was shot he was in Marilyn Monroe. (actually Marilyn died well before Kennedy. Ryan, Who wants to go back to basics? I would like reformed Health care and a stop to Global Warming. Would you be upset if the man who did it was honest about his religion or would you rather have him lie and say he is Christian while he also lies to us to make a case to kill thousands of innocent American soldiers? At least he goes to Church on Sunday! Your argument is exactly what guys like George W laugh at behind closed doors..They have you so smoked that you can't see what is happening right in front of your eyes. Instead of us arguing about him and the almost constant lies that come out of his administration we are arguing on what the heck the Masons stand for. We are a country of fools blinded by hollow religion. It will never get better until we can look and criticize ourselves and the people who lead us in politics AND religion. There are as many bad things going on in the Christian side as any other right now. The world is full of fakers on both sides of the fence.
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Post by Erick "Zap" Szczap on Jun 21, 2007 8:27:20 GMT -5
I have yet to see Coletti say something I disagree with. Good stuff.
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Post by Robert Bishop on Jun 21, 2007 12:25:35 GMT -5
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Post by Robert Bishop on Jun 21, 2007 12:44:23 GMT -5
I accidently hit the reply on that last one.The problem is that most lower level masons or mormons dont even know they are being fooled by satan.I just watched a video last night of a man who was a 34th degree mason and was a mormon who became a christian.He talks about satan being involved in it and other deceptions.Im not saying i believe him or agree with him in every thing he says. If anyone is interested you can buy the video on the prophecy club website.The one i just watched was called EXPOSING THE ILLUMINATI FROM WITHIN by Bill Schnoebelen.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jun 21, 2007 13:21:59 GMT -5
Chris,
i totally agree.....
but given the choices between bush and kerry....you pull the lever for the "puppet masters" either way....you just gotta vote for the lesser of two evils is the way i see it......for this election ive been following it closer than the last two...its quite interesting how the american people really dont chose our president any more.......the media does.
Robert ive seen several videos like such....very interesting videos
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Post by Chris Kaufman on Jun 21, 2007 15:24:00 GMT -5
Bob,
The only reason Christianity is still around is because Science hasn't been able to disprove it yet. The reason is because Christianity was designed that way, vague.
The Egyptians, Greeks, and Romans Gods were just as well documented and they were all just if not more devout in their religions as you are in yours. Now their religions are considered mythology. It's only a matter of time.
Just to note, I do believe in a God/Higher Power, just not in the franchise that is church these days. There's a reason why the Catholic Church is one of the biggest, if not the biggest next to McDonald's, landowners in the world, money.
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Post by gambit on Jun 21, 2007 15:39:20 GMT -5
... I just watched a video last night of a man who was a 34th degree mason ... Just in this statement shows you are misinformed. There isn't a 34th degree.
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