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Post by Ryan Thames on Jun 22, 2007 3:59:56 GMT -5
That's a good point though that you brought up about ignoring the biblical promise I made to her when we took or vows, and two becoming of one flesh. I wonder, Ernine, do you tell your wife what kind of bowel movement you had yesterday and what was the content of it? I would certainly hope you don't have those type conversations. I would think not, because your wife probably could care less. Get it? forgive me for finding it humorous and slightly ironic that you just compared freemasonry to fecil matter ;D HEY ;D, you said it...not me
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jun 22, 2007 4:24:46 GMT -5
...i think maybe someone needs to brush up on thier sunday school studies.....quote me scripture where it says "you" can be judge?....bet you won't find it TK Technically i am a "bible scholar" literally Not that you would accept this or even care but you asked so here it is... 2 Timothy 4 2. Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 3. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; Im going to break this one down for ya... Reprove: 1. to criticize or correct, 2. to disapprove of strongly; censure: to reprove a bad decision. Rebuke: 1. to express sharp, stern disapproval of; reprove; reprimand. Exhort: 1. to urge, advise, or caution earnestly; admonish urgently. –verb (used without object) 2. , recommendations, or warnings. Longsuffering: 1. enduring injury, trouble, or provocation long and patiently. –noun 2. long and patient endurance of injury, trouble, or provocation: years of long-suffering and illness. According to this one scripture....it is clear that we as christians and believers are responsible...and called...to Criticize or correct with strong stern dissaproval, urgently advising people of there erroneous beliefs acorrding to the doctines of the word of God. Regardless of the reprocussions of the public...whether they be social harm or physical harm in anyway whatsoever. We have the moral obligation to do this AT ALL COSTS...to our own bodys and social status. ive done my brushing up .....your turn
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jun 22, 2007 4:35:06 GMT -5
mormonism and freemasonry claim to either to be a christian religion (mormon) or atleast hold the bible in high regards (mason)
So then...mormonism at least is to be held accountable to word of God.......otherwise they are NOT a christian religion...same with freemasonry....if it contradicts and goes againts the teachings of bible then it is also ungodly.
The question you all must ask is this....do i in my life seek truth and a relationship with God.....or do i seek placement in a religion or orginization?
God......or...Orginaztion...
Which is most vital?
God wants us to have a relationship with him above all else.
If anyone...mormon mason or other....claim to seek out a relationship with the creator.....lay down your idols and follow after him whole heartedly.
Your religion and and your orginization no matter how "GOOD" they seem...can become idols
And the bible clearly says we ought not have any idols before God \ 1samuel 15 23. For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, he hath also rejected thee from being king.
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Post by gambit on Jun 22, 2007 7:39:24 GMT -5
That's a good point though that you brought up about ignoring the biblical promise I made to her when we took or vows, and two becoming of one flesh. I wonder, Ernine, do you tell your wife what kind of bowel movement you had yesterday and what was the content of it? I would certainly hope you don't have those type conversations. I would think not, because your wife probably could care less. Get it? forgive me for finding it humorous and slightly ironic that you just compared freemasonry to fecil matter ;D HEY ;D, you said it...not me See, it is this type of perception that takes everything out of context. Ryan, I was making the principle point of not telling EVERYTHING to your spouse based on Ernie's point of your biblical promise you made when giving your vows. It isn't that you are hiding anything from her, it is that some things just doesn't appeal to her. Of course I should not have done that because someone like yourself would not get the message presented. How about this viewpoint: When you gain employment, let's say at a bank, you deal with computer programs AND with people's personal financial accounts; something that should be KEPT confidential! OR would you rather someone go home and speak of the balance in your account and whether or not you are defaulting on a loan? Another? OK Go to work at Dell Computers, HP Computers, Exxon, etc. etc. and watch what happens; you SIGN a confidentiality contract stating you cannot tell anyone (company competitors or anyone in your personal life) of the dealings within that company. And that in some cases you not be able to gain employment with said competitors until after a grace period. Tools manufactured while working for any companies become the property of that company. Another? Wow, you are being difficult, but what are friends for? I will explain another one for you (anyone who doesn't get it) What about the the confidentiality of Counsel and Client when legal matters matter? If you are a lawyer you cannot speak of anyone's case nor the details of it. Is this breaking your biblical promise you made if you cannot tell anyone, especially your spouse? IT IS THE PRINCIPLE OF IT. In Freemasonry you sign NO type of document. You are held to your word. BTW - What is fecil?
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Post by gambit on Jun 22, 2007 8:02:03 GMT -5
The question you all must ask is this....do i in my life seek truth and a relationship with God.....or do i seek placement in a religion or orginization? God......or...Orginaztion... Which is most vital? God wants us to have a relationship with him above all else. If anyone...mormon mason or other....claim to seek out a relationship with the creator.....lay down your idols and follow after him whole heartedly. Hmmm...organization...it is really ironic how YOU are a part of an organization which is half run by an atheist. Wait! It doesn't matter does it? You are not, "directly" face-to-face with the governing body of a member of that organization...are you? Wow! How stupid of me. The fact is you are part of an ORGANIZATION... AND didn't you used to have a car (before it burned up) which had a window decal of a set of armwrestling arms? That could be taken as an idol when you are displaying them as something you enjoy and gain recognition through. Let's not even touch on the trophies you have up high on a shelf... Hypocritical indeed, Ryan. Your religion and and your orginization no matter how "GOOD" they seem...can become idols And the bible clearly says we ought not have any idols before God \ 1samuel 15 23. For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, he hath also rejected thee from being king. <COUGH...COUGH> --- Jimmy Swaggart! ---- purchasing prostitute!---- more than once busted for it!----- <COUGH...COUGH> Only he and God knows how many times he has sinned in this manner/matter. (mental question to myself) I wonder if whenever I refer to God am I speaking of someone within the lodge? Haha...of course I am, I have been mislead! Allen you big ole' duffus... you couldn't figure your way out of that wet bag if you wanted. You know you have not the mental capacity to "figure it out for yourself".
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Post by gambit on Jun 22, 2007 9:19:18 GMT -5
My comment about the "Supreme Being" of the lodge is aimed at exactly whom it should be. The "God" of the lodge is *not* the God of the Bible. Funny how you added/edited this. Ernie, the God of the lodge IS the same God you and I pray to every day. Except, we do not worship within the lodge. When lectures are given we do not, when we refer to God, point to any man within the lodge, nor do we point to any type of "furniture" you may think represents such, we make reference to Him in Heaven by looking up in the sky to the most Holy. You need to accept your own proposal and open your mind, and that it has nothing to do with Satanic rituals, symbolisms, or the worship of a false god. I have said I am finished and I am. If I choose to not listen to you, then drop it. edited: added a comma and the word, "and"
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jun 22, 2007 12:28:19 GMT -5
your comments about jimmy swaggert...is the .."judgemental" that people acuse me of......criticise what he teaches.....not mistakes he made and repented of........comments like this shows me that you do not understand the gospel enough to be saved allen...im sorry
Armwrestling is not my idol....i have seen it be an idol in others lives....ive given up armwrestling for the sake of my faith once.....can you give up the for the cause of christ? Thats what an idol is.
Im sure my wife doesnt want to know about my bowel movements....though i tell her anyway...lol
But i am quite positive she would be concerned if i were involved with an ungodly practice and taking death oaths to any secretive orginazation. or about anything else that might go on.
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Post by Robert Bishop on Jun 22, 2007 12:29:58 GMT -5
Allen in the video he did say 34th degree was unofficial for the level he was on which it sounded like he called it paladium.He also called it in the congregation of demons.He said the trapezoid was different levels in which lucifer was the top or the eye and he was on the fourth down.He said the seven was the 2nd level in which he was led to believe are fallen angles that answer directly to satan.The 3rd level he called the nine unknown men in which there is one over each continent.32nd degree scottish rite was a few levels below where he was at.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jun 22, 2007 12:37:14 GMT -5
Hmmm...organization...it is really ironic how YOU are a part of an organization which is half run by an atheist. Wait! It doesn't matter does it? You are not, "directly" face-to-face with the governing body of a member of that organization...are you? Wow! How stupid of me. The fact is you are part of an ORGANIZATION... AND didn't you used to have a car (before it burned up) which had a window decal of a set of armwrestling arms? That could be taken as an idol when you are displaying them as something you enjoy and gain recognition through. Let's not even touch on the trophies you have up high on a shelf... Hypocritical indeed, Ryan. its a totally different commitment dude......but for you..... THIS IS MY PUBLIC DENOUNCEMENT OF ANY TIES WITH THE NAA BECAUSE ALLEN SAYS I CANT ARMWRESTLE WITH FRIENDS WHO ARE ATHEISTS.......I AM NOW THE STATE DIRECTOR AND OWNER OF "BAYOU STATE ARMSPORTS" IN AFFILIATION WITH NO ORGINAZTION OUTSIDE OF MY OWN, THIS WAS MY INITIAL INTENT AND I AM REFERING BACK TO MY INITIAL PLAN FOR THE SAKE OF HAVE ATHEISTIC CORRUPTION AFFECT MY EVENTS EVEN THO THERE IS PRACTICALLY NO INVOLVE OR CONNECTION WITH ANYONE ok i denounced my ties.... Your turn...
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Post by Robert Bishop on Jun 22, 2007 12:39:26 GMT -5
Any talents Ryan has been given by god could even be for times like this to discuse things far greater than armwrestling.If a man looks at his awards and thanks god for his blessings where is the wrong in that as long as god gets all glory and honor.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jun 22, 2007 12:43:02 GMT -5
amen!
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Post by gambit on Jun 22, 2007 13:25:34 GMT -5
your comments about jimmy swaggert...is the .."judgemental" that people acuse me of......criticise what he teaches.....not mistakes he made and repented of........comments like this shows me that you do not understand the gospel enough to be saved allen...im sorry You mean by him repenting and repeating the same sin makes him morally sound to preach God's Word? I am not being judgmental about him, Ryan, he has done that to himself. He committed the acts and I call it the way it happened. Of course I do not see you reprimanding him. Is he a "god" stature in your church? Oh, and don't think I won't be saved because of your interpretations about anything I say, Ryan. It makes you look dumb and hypocritical. I do find it amazing how you got affected by me saying facts about JS and I am not expected to get emotional when I am accused of worshiping a false god. THIS IS MY PUBLIC DENOUNCEMENT OF ANY TIES WITH THE NAA BECAUSE ALLEN SAYS I CANT ARMWRESTLE WITH FRIENDS WHO ARE ATHEISTS.... Ryan, you cannot comprehend simple text to come about what I said, can you? I did not say you couldn't armwrestle with atheistic friends! By all mean go live with them for all I care. My point is you cannot say one should not be with an organization that is ungodly, which masonry is not, yet YOU ARE WITH AN ORGANIZATION THAT IS HALF RUN BY AN ATHEIST. Masonry does not allow atheist in it. Get it right! Possibly you are denoucing it, due to your popularity within that organization? Yet, something else you may have done and it isn't me being judgmental.
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Post by Bob Paradis on Jun 22, 2007 13:37:14 GMT -5
Allen,
What does this mean to you?...."A Hierarchy of inspired,divine, and deifying science, of efficacy and of consecration for those initiated with the initiation of the revelation derived from the hierarchical mysteries." I'm especially interested in what deifying science means to you.
God bless,
Bob
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Post by Bob Paradis on Jun 22, 2007 13:41:38 GMT -5
Any talents Ryan has been given by god could even be for times like this to discuse things far greater than armwrestling.If a man looks at his awards and thanks god for his blessings where is the wrong in that as long as god gets all glory and honor. Well said Robert!!! Boast in the Lord, all glory and honor is His!!!
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Post by gambit on Jun 22, 2007 15:29:07 GMT -5
Allen, What does this mean to you?...."A Hierarchy of inspired,divine, and deifying science, of efficacy and of consecration for those initiated with the initiation of the revelation derived from the hierarchical mysteries." I'm especially interested in what deifying science means to you. God bless, Bob Consecration - a solemn commitment of your life or your time to some cherished purpose (to a service or a goal); "his consecration to study" Efficacy – to be efficient. In other words, “We must demonstrate that Hierarchy of being inspired, in surpassing excellence and the learning, through science, of how God built the Earth, of the efficient solemn commitment towards the cherished goal for those initiated, with the initiation of the revelation derived from the hierarchical mysteries.” Therefore, it was best said by Albert Einstein - “Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind.” Thus explaining what deifying science means to me. But again, Masonry is not a religion, it just contains religious men. If you don't understand it, then I cannot say it any other way, because I don't know how. edited: second to last paragraph
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