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Post by gambit on Jun 22, 2007 15:37:47 GMT -5
Any talents Ryan has been given by god could even be for times like this to discuse things far greater than armwrestling.If a man looks at his awards and thanks god for his blessings where is the wrong in that as long as god gets all glory and honor. Who said that is what he does when he looks at his trophies? What is going through his mind when he is at that table pulling, "I am after that trophy because it is awesome man! OR "I am pulling for Jesus and and no one else! Sure Ryan praises Jesus for the strength he has gained through armwrestling, but he does not always gives that glory to him without some sort of self satisfaction. We all do it, that is why we compete. Ryan is a good guy and I am glad he is sound in his mission with the Lord. I, too, am on a mission with the Lord, it just isn't at his church.
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Post by TK on Jun 22, 2007 17:13:48 GMT -5
Ryan, you gotta do better than that man......dammit....you gonna make me read up on the bible for scripture showing you are an a$$ ....lol..nah...it doesnt matter ..you'll go to Hell as quick as i will....i don't think god gonna say ATTA-boy cause you got on peoples nerves.... ....you'll be in the same line as the Mormons...hehe.... Allen, educate me..is Free Masonry Satanic....i'm curious..... myself i don't beleive in Satan no more than i do God...just wondering? TK
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Post by TK on Jun 22, 2007 17:16:01 GMT -5
First, I agree with Brandy, Todd, Robert, and Allen that we should never judge the individual. The measure with which you judge will be measured out to you. Without really knowing you all, I feel in my heart your collective decency.
Ryan,
you could take a lesson from this man.
TK
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Post by Mat Helmer on Jun 22, 2007 18:26:13 GMT -5
Allen is also a Master Mason, and a pretty good guy. I also know many masons, my dad(PAppa), my Father-in-Law, my Grandfather, Great Uncles, Uncles and many men in our community and church(United Methodist). I do not believe any of these men to be Satanist. I've known many Masons growing up, as my Father is a Master Mason. They are all great men and all believe in God and abide by His laws. There is not a shred of Satan anywhere.
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Post by Bob Paradis on Jun 22, 2007 20:23:32 GMT -5
Allen is also a Master Mason, and a pretty good guy. I also know many masons, my dad(PAppa), my Father-in-Law, my Grandfather, Great Uncles, Uncles and many men in our community and church(United Methodist). I do not believe any of these men to be Satanist. I've known many Masons growing up, as my Father is a Master Mason. They are all great men and all believe in God and abide by His laws. There is not a shred of Satan anywhere. It's encouraging to hear your testimony that United Methodists are involved with the Mason's and not a shred of evil has shown up to your eyes (and hopefully does not exist at all, for a fact) My problem is with the part about "deifying science." Allen took the position of defending science and religion. And I agree with him. That's not what I'm talking about though. Here is the definition of deify: To make a god of; exalt to the rank of or personify as a deity. It's very likely that the people in the Helmer or Hester families are God fearing people, based on your word. But what about the upper tiers? The top 1 or 2 % of the Masons. Do they aspire to be gods? Is it possible that there are things they won't tell you? Who are they? Do you know? The normal hard working families are probably not involved with the evil. The Masonic lodges would disappear if people like the Helmers or Hesters had any clue of evil in the upper tiers. I was never a Mason, and I have NO knowledge that evil even exists. I'm only asking questions. But take seriously the phrase "deifying science." That , by definition, is the science of making a god of or exalting to the rank of a deity. That phrase alone is VERY EVIL. If you have people in the Masons that aspire to be deified, time to run. God bless, Bob
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Post by BigDaddyJoe™ on Jun 22, 2007 23:27:19 GMT -5
yo your religion sucks more than my right arm at arm wrestling......praise be to ala
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Post by Mat Helmer on Jun 22, 2007 23:28:30 GMT -5
I've known many Masons growing up, as my Father is a Master Mason. They are all great men and all believe in God and abide by His laws. There is not a shred of Satan anywhere. It's encouraging to hear your testimony that United Methodists are involved with the Mason's and not a shred of evil has shown up to your eyes (and hopefully does not exist at all, for a fact) My problem is with the part about "deifying science." Allen took the position of defending science and religion. And I agree with him. That's not what I'm talking about though. Here is the definition of deify: To make a god of; exalt to the rank of or personify as a deity. It's very likely that the people in the Helmer or Hester families are God fearing people, based on your word. But what about the upper tiers? The top 1 or 2 % of the Masons. Do they aspire to be gods? Is it possible that there are things they won't tell you? Who are they? Do you know? The normal hard working families are probably not involved with the evil. The Masonic lodges would disappear if people like the Helmers or Hesters had any clue of evil in the upper tiers. I was never a Mason, and I have NO knowledge that evil even exists. I'm only asking questions. But take seriously the phrase "deifying science." That , by definition, is the science of making a god of or exalting to the rank of a deity. That phrase alone is VERY EVIL. If you have people in the Masons that aspire to be deified, time to run. God bless, Bob I agree, it is wrong to put anything before God. Now it may be true, that some in the highest levels may get a God-complex and command worship. I don't know because I am not there but from the Masons that I have known, they have all put their heart and their beliefs, in the right place.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jun 23, 2007 2:59:59 GMT -5
I would like to ask direct questions of you all. You can answer yes or no, and please give a brief explanation why. If Allen continues in Freemasonry will he be damned? If Allen continues with Freemasonry will his children be damned? Will I be damned because my father and grandfather are/were masons? Are Mormons damned? Are Catholics damned? What other religions or groups are damned? If Allen continues in Freemasonry will he be damned? Allens involvement with freemasonry will not affect his salvation....the status of allens relationship in accordance to the word of God and the blood of Christ and allens submission and belief if the what christ did will be the only thing that determines his or anyone elses salvation If Allen continues with Freemasonry will his children be damned? I dont see the connection.... they will also be accountable to the blood of christ and what they do with it....allens involvment in lodge isnt grounds for them to be "damned"...perhaos thats a strong word Will I be damned because my father and grandfather are/were masons? Again...your salvation isnt determined by the actions of others Are Mormons damned?......... According to the word of God......i wont say that a mormon is "damned" but i will say that i dont believe a mormons faith will give them access to heaven.....but they can repent and submit thier lives to christ....i could explain further but you said a brief explanation Are Catholics damned? I believe there are some good catholics who truly put thier faith in the blood....but only then will they be saved What other religions or groups are damned? Well, why do we want to open those cans....you see how well this ones going
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jun 23, 2007 3:06:28 GMT -5
Ryan, you gotta do better than that man......dammit....you gonna make me read up on the bible for scripture showing you are an a$$ ....lol..nah...it doesnt matter ..you'll go to Hell as quick as i will....i don't think god gonna say ATTA-boy cause you got on peoples nerves.... ....you'll be in the same line as the Mormons...hehe.... TK geez.....dont ask a question if you dont want an answer
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Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Jun 23, 2007 14:19:20 GMT -5
Joe: Can you at least spell correctly...ITS ALLAH NOT ala! ;D
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Post by Steve Merritt on Jun 23, 2007 23:42:40 GMT -5
Free Masonry? I need some masonry work done around my property. Hey if it's free, why not. j/k I just saw on History channel a advertisement for Free Mason's "the underworld" on the history channel 8pm central time this Monday. And if it's on the History Channel is must be true!! j/k
I watched something about the free mason's awhile go back, something about them protecting the holy grail. I did not even know they still existed. I am getting very educated on it.
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Post by gambit on Jun 24, 2007 10:56:15 GMT -5
You answered: Are Mormons damned?......... According to the word of God......i wont say that a mormon is "damned" but i will say that i dont believe a mormons faith will give them access to heaven.... Then on another thread, today, you posted... Galatiians 1 7. Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Joseph Smith claims an angel of light came to him with a "new reveeation of the gospel". According to The above passage of scripture...Joseph Smith is DAMNED..... "let him be accursed" in greek is the word anathenma (sp?) Which mean eternal seperation...or damnation .... Mormonism preaches a false Christ...a false gospel....and from a satanic source.... We do not worship the same God Did you realize you contradicted yourself here?
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jun 24, 2007 17:01:59 GMT -5
thats not a contradiction my friend...... I will not say Steve phipps iss "damned" because he is mormon in the sense that he iss destined for hell no matter what he does.... Joseph smith is dead....he did what he did and never repented....and according to the word of God He is DAMNED meaning there is nothing he can do to reverse his lifes decisions. I will say that the mormon faith According to the word of God will only lead people to hell......or rather decive people into thinking they are serving God when in fact they are not.....it is thier personal sin that will send them to hell absent of the cross....
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Post by Ernie on Jun 24, 2007 18:35:11 GMT -5
I've been out of town for 3 days and ... WOW!!
I have several posts to respond to when I get the time. There are many things that have been misrepresented or the posters are not fully informed. It will be interesting to see the responses after I post.
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Post by TK on Jun 25, 2007 17:22:44 GMT -5
I've asked some questions of real Masons....and there was no converse of Satan....it's more or less a FRAT of sorts.... Steve Merritt, That was funny as hell...needing mason work at hom,e.....i spit out my drink.....literally i'm out.. ..Ryan....you be judge as judge be you...maybe you're not as straight line as you seem.....it's the Jesus Freaks who give Religion a bad name... TK
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