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Post by Matt "CHOP" Bertrand on Feb 29, 2008 23:26:05 GMT -5
You break down the thought of 30lbs. in 4 months Thats 7.5 lbs. a month 1.875 lbs. per week Thats roughly 3 oz. a day of muscle gained in a 6 day/workout a week. I mean no disrepect to anyone in this sport but thats a lot of muscle in a short period of time. Genetics or not. This sport needs to be cleaned up. No matter who or what they are taking. I guess the only positive to those of us who don't "juice" is we will have our health in 10 years. Come on man. If you have ever known anyone on steroids you would know that it is easy to gain up to 30 pounds in under a month. Give him a break, after all he is with a very good nutritionist. |
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Post by Justin Kaufman on Mar 1, 2008 0:02:08 GMT -5
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Post by Steve Inzalaco on Mar 1, 2008 0:49:44 GMT -5
Hey Justin how are you bro?... Long time no hear!
For the board,
So yeah the new name of this thread is "Chandler on Juice" or "Armwrestling and Roids" ??
You can not accuse, some people work hard......some people work hard while on drugs and people may think they are just training hard and thats how they got where they are. All I can say is be patient, and they will get health problems and no longer be in the sport and/or they will look like they are 60 when they are 45........Its in every sport...but to each their own.
If you think people are on them, in your sport.......then take them yourself.....or wait till they get ill from a side effect, or stop bitchin!
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Post by Eric Williamson on Mar 1, 2008 1:13:03 GMT -5
I don't want to come across like I'm accusing anyone of taking drugs. Basically all I intend to say is that the gains which some pullers make in certain periods of time could easily lead one to believe that those pullers are on drugs, and this is certainly not pointed at any one particular athlete. Do we know for sure that they are taking drugs? No, and they might NOT be taking drugs. All I can say is this: If someone wants to take the drugs, that's their choice. I don't think it's a good choice, and I don't think it's right, but if it's their choice then so be it, I'm not going to sit around pointing fingers at them, that really wouldn't do any good. I'll do the best I can without it, and we'll just see how it goes.
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Post by Elaine Blik on Mar 1, 2008 1:31:40 GMT -5
Chris Chandler looks amazing!!!!  One thing you guys have to remember is that Chris is also very young! I'm sure he also has very good genetics (especially coming from out West), but at his age he should be able to transform himself into something very impressive. I wish him all the best in whatever avenue he pursues, if he should decide to go into bodybuilding. I believe he's in the right training facility (The Todd Transformation Center), after all, look at Tonya! She is just as impressive! Obviously Michael Todd knows his stuff and how to share it with others. JMO  (yeah, I know that him coming from out West has nothing to do with his genetics, but I just had to throw it out there...) |
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Post by Mike Moeller on Mar 1, 2008 1:41:59 GMT -5
Chris you look great, and what you do is your business man. After watching your workouts I believe if anyone can make those types of gains with the nutrition background you have, and incredible desire/motivation, its going to be you. One other thing I would like to say to everyone else is that Mr Chandler was HUGE in the much lower classes that he dominated for a long time also so seeing him bulk up isnt so surprising to me. others are use to seeing him dieting like crazy to make those classes. He just decided it was time to go where his body wanted to go the whole time more than likely.
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Post by Elaine Blik on Mar 1, 2008 1:49:10 GMT -5
Mike, you're right... Chris was dominating in the lower classes and he did diet down a year ago to 160 for the ROTN here in Idaho... but it was obviously tough for him. Now he can just be at a natural weight for him without having to diet down. I think it will be fun to see how he does this year at this weight. I envy his drive and desire...
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Post by Guy Lasorsa on Mar 1, 2008 8:02:00 GMT -5
. If you think people are on them, in your sport.......then take them yourself.....or wait till they get ill from a side effect, or stop bitchin! yeah thats intelligent !! Fact up to 60% of all top athletes and all strength or money sports are on something . It provenBut, yes of course it's not in armwrestling , cant be.. maybe just a few people we dont ever hear about !!!!!! people talk about such intense workouts Like Clemens and other TOP athletes do and can do. But read and watch the shows .. what do you think steroids do? they allow you to do these intense workouts that others cant do and recover and grow, or get lean and ripped But im sure its Not my kid, friend,hero or in armwrestling   Many authorities and Buster Onley of Espn studies this stuff , and in his report stated 60% of all top athletes have or is . FACT High school kids , college and other sports do it, so i guess somehow 100 % of the armwretlers doesnt at all ? NAIVE or just dont want to hear or believe If i had had a guess it would be 8-15% overall do it and 30% of the top athletes and as much as 60% have tried it once or so for an injury. And they are many of injuries as we all know and have had and just want to get back on the table. Like an Andy pettitte who just did it a few times because he wanted to get back on the field The signs are obvious, there are plenty of people that workout as hard as they can and eat pretty good, But add in performance enhancing and Walla!! Without testing you shouldnt accuse. But speculation is certainly warranted. Certainly most people feel they want to believe everyone, But you cant be naive either. I try to stay off this subject but sometimes But ever once in a while like peoples naiveness just brings it out. armwrestling isnt immuned when the crap is rampant in other sports. The signs are pretty easy to follow , like a map there right most of the time |
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Post by jamesretarides on Mar 1, 2008 8:29:19 GMT -5
Wow, all this, and all I wanted to know was the nutrition involved. Justin, I think I can keep up with Chris' workout. I have been doing the workout of a madman that owns a Royce Gracie Jiu Jitsu center here in the Charlotte area. He is 47, 5'10, 240 pounds, stays around 5 or 6 % body fat and used to be a special forces soldier. He also works as a body guard for some very high profile clients. I thought I was going to die the first week I worked out with him and his crew and made a lot of gains in the one year with just a lot of protein and my wife's cooking. I probably put on no more than 10 pounds of muscle though. As a certified personal trainer myself I have learned that with a perfect periodized workout and stellar nutrition 12 pounds in a year is amazing, 15 is a freak blessing. If Chris can put on "18" pounds of muscle in a matter of months I reserve the right to at least ask how. I never accused him of anything in my post did I? For some reason others jumped all over it. There is something awfully wrong with the majority of people in this sport. And it is going to get worse before it gets better. We see a lot of the upper echelon pullers put on abnormal amounts of weight (muscle), take it off and put it back on again. Most armwrestlers are against steroids inherently, but they are quick to either kiss the ass or come to the rescue of people that they don't want to believe are on something. As long as it is not tested for and is not actually frowned upon, this will continue to be an epidemic in this sport. I know I am not going to win over any fans with that statement but it is true. As long as we sweep issues like this under the proverbial rug, the majority of you will have to look up to these "superior athletes." Once that gets old, then what? Maybe a more comprehensive and cost effective measure of testing will be instituted. But then, our athletes won't be as strong, won't compete well with the rest of the world, and won't be able to give us as many stories to tell our grandkiddies. What a factory of bullsh it. More on topic: Congrats to Timmy Bresnan, Ron Klemba, Mike Selearis and RJ. Nice to see them doing well at the Arnolds. Signed, James, a guy that doesn't care what you think of him. |
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Post by Guy Lasorsa on Mar 1, 2008 8:35:04 GMT -5
Wow, all this, and all I wanted to know was the nutrition involved. Justin, I think I can keep up with Chris' workout. I have been doing the workout of a madman that owns a Royce Gracie Jiu Jitsu center here in the Charlotte area. He is 47, 5'10, 240 pounds, stays around 5 or 6 % body fat and used to be a special forces soldier. He also works as a body guard for some very high profile clients. I thought I was going to die the first week I worked out with him and his crew and made a lot of gains in the one year with just a lot of protein and my wife's cooking. I probably put on no more than 10 pounds of muscle though. As a certified personal trainer myself I have learned that with a perfect periodized workout and stellar nutrition 12 pounds in a year is amazing, 15 is a freak blessing. If Chris can put on "18" pounds of muscle in a matter of months I reserve the right to at least ask how. I never accused him of anything in my post did I? For some reason others jumped all over it. There is something awfully wrong with the majority of people in this sport. And it is going to get worse before it gets better. We see a lot of the upper echelon pullers put on abnormal amounts of weight (muscle), take it off and put it back on again. Most armwrestlers are against steroids inherently, but they are quick to either kiss the ass or come to the rescue of people that they don't want to believe are on something. As long as it is not tested for and is not actually frowned upon, this will continue to be an epidemic in this sport. I know I am not going to win over any fans with that statement but it is true. As long as we sweep issues like this under the proverbial rug, the majority of you will have to look up to these "superior athletes." Once that gets old, then what? Maybe a more comprehensive and cost effective measure of testing will be instituted. But then, our athletes won't be as strong, won't compete well with the rest of the world, and won't be able to give us as many stories to tell our grandkiddies. What a factory of bullsh it. More on topic: Congrats to Timmy Bresnan, Ron Klemba, Mike Selearis and RJ. Nice to see them doing well at the Arnolds. Signed, James, a guy that doesn't care what you think of him. Amen!! James is someone with strong beliefs and wont look the other way and knows not only what his eyes see, his ears hears through the underground, But what the real life facts that i keep reiterating in my prior Post |
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Post by Erick "Zap" Szczap on Mar 1, 2008 8:47:50 GMT -5
I'm sure he also has very good genetics (especially coming from out West) ^I found this statement interesting. People from out west have superior genetics to people from the east? |
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Post by Guy Lasorsa on Mar 1, 2008 8:58:40 GMT -5
I'm sure he also has very good genetics (especially coming from out West) ^I found this statement interesting. People from out west have superior genetics to people from the east? I believe Elaine why trying to make light of it and through in a joke, because she is from the west |
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Post by Erick "Zap" Szczap on Mar 1, 2008 8:59:52 GMT -5
Gosh darn west coast bias.  |
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Post by Harold "Rattlesnake" Ryden on Mar 1, 2008 9:11:58 GMT -5
Vazgen beat Corey. He says RJ is going to lose twice now!! Regardless of the results, I am very happy for RJ. Its awesome to see him back! He has always been one of my favorite pullers!!!
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Post by Luke Kindt on Mar 1, 2008 9:18:53 GMT -5
Vazgen over miller, RJ wins in strap
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One thing you guys have to remember is that Chris is also very young! I'm sure he also has very good genetics (especially coming from out West), but at his age he should be able to transform himself into something very impressive. I wish him all the best in whatever avenue he pursues, if he should decide to go into bodybuilding. I believe he's in the right training facility (The Todd Transformation Center), after all, look at Tonya! She is just as impressive! Obviously Michael Todd knows his stuff and how to share it with others.
