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Post by Frank Bean on Feb 12, 2005 13:52:43 GMT -5
I go to www.pulling.com, that is how I get my rankings.... Those heavywieght rankings on Pullingjohn are very accurate give take the order..... Out of the top 10 armwrestlers in N.A. 5 of them are only 220lbs, "FACT"... Everyone listed in those classes can pull those classes.......... College football like the AAA was started first, however like the NFL has increased the exposure and the talent level of it's minor league, the NAL will do the same for the AAA..... Like Brzenk and Cobra said, who better at running amateur events for hot dogs and popcorn then the AAA.... The BEST!!!!!!!!! You think the heavyweight rankings are accurate? Based on what? Brzenk 1st - I agree, You ahead of Matt - maybe, Ron, then Marcio and no Dave Randall - I don't agree. I like the top 20 in North American too  Dave Randall is listed as 6th in North America but not even on the list for 198+! Popcorn and hot dogs? Great, then I can save my money from now on and not offer quality awards!! Travis you run true to form ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Can't have a conversation without attempting to insult and name dropping for validity ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D It's been a pleasure! |
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Post by guy on Feb 12, 2005 14:24:20 GMT -5
Travis you name the exceptions to the rule Big deal Why dont you come back down to 220 then? Someone 220 shouldnt have to comp[ete with you on a good day at 268 and OR a great day Beast as you call it at 285. Sorry but you are just wrong. Yes you can have the same 10 pull over and over again and depending on the TIMING a few results will change. Lets not forget you were losing to Amateurs as you call everyone else like Bucky Russell and so on I dont know why I try to beat a dead Horse here, because you throw out the same story with each post. Also Pullingjohn seems to be as much your site as theirs so !!! There should be cutoffs every 20-25 pounds below 200 and 25-30 above 200. It's not about working harder either. I dont think anyone should question the heart of most of the people trying to get to the Nationals or the few hundred that show, BUT if you want people to get stronger AKA get much bigger too to challenge the beast. It should be of more people over 230-240 or 250. With the exception of a few individuals as you have named already Bla Bla Bla Like I said if Ron wanted to load up with butter and cream to 260 -270 you or no one would have a shot except John B at 250, or Marcio 250, or Mike Todd 270 maybe, Or richard Lupkas 305 frtom his natural 220 body, Or  |
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Post by guy on Feb 12, 2005 14:33:58 GMT -5
Actually THe AAA weight classes are pretty good too though if I had my choice I would spread them a little more
154 176 198 231 and over
or 150 171 187 209 242 and over
Or 150 171 198 225 255 and Over
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Post by simon on Feb 12, 2005 14:45:31 GMT -5
To me there are two different versions here, there is competitive armwrestling, a range of weight classes to properly draw the largest amount of the top pullers and aspiring top pullers to your event. This is armwrestling for the armwrestlers.
Then we have armwrestling for the public, television and promotion of the sport. The average weight of 20+ male in the US is up to what now 190 lbs. So even 165 seems too light for them. Sports history has shown that people are vastly more interested in the big guys to start with, then as interest grows in the sport you can progress to adding lighter weights while garnering acceptable interest.
Boxing is a perfect example of this fact, and look at where they are currently…. 200 lbs + is a heavyweight, meaning 201 fights against 285-300 lb fighters.
For supermatches or made for TV promotions of the sport I have to agree less is more.
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Post by guy on Feb 12, 2005 15:19:42 GMT -5
I knew sooner or later someone would bring up the boxing weight classes.
You cant compare them really. But first if Boxing survives I bet they have a 220 class one day.
Remember when there was just a few classes , then they went to super welter, super middle etc..
But the real class added was cruiser 195 lbs
Anyway boxing is much different as you use your legs a lot more for movement and overll speed. In boxing there has never been a champion that won the heavy weight title . I know Lewis weighed just over 250 for a fight after becoming champion. but if I missed one there couldnt be more or a good champion.
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Post by Travis Bagent on Feb 12, 2005 17:10:04 GMT -5
Karen, your right unlike you I am true to form, I don't change my story depending on who I talk to!!!!!!!!!!!
I dislike you very much and I don't want to carry a conversation with you ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dave Randal is a BEAST, but his lack of exposure is his own fault... Maybe like Tullier he will be exposed to the real you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Then maybe he will choose to pull more events!!!!!!!!!!!
Guy, why do you keep making referances to my weight.. I weigh 262lbs, Like you I'm a fat ass, but unlike you I carry it better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!lol!!!!!!!!!!
In 1995 I graduated high school at 238lb....
In 1997 I pulled in D.C. AAA nationals and barely made 220lbs....
In 1999 I pulled 198lb in LA. Nearly starving myself and Later was 3 lbs over for Arnolds that year and Karen let me pull anyway but denied Robert Reddon.... Later that night I went to Hospital in Columbus from the DIET!!!!
2000 I loss 12 lbs the night before and made 220lb
2000 worlds I weighed in 12 times before I made weight..
2001 242lbs easy weigh-in
2002 barely made 242's
2003 weighed 253 pulled a ATL
2004 259lb won in IOWA
2005 Poland weight 263lbs
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Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Feb 12, 2005 20:14:57 GMT -5
To make pullingjohn rankings: Rules: To place in the top 5 you must PULL at least 3 tournaments a year or PULL at any one of the major armwrestling events, ie Nationals, Arnold Classic, World Wrist Wrestling Championships, Show of Strength, etc.
So I guess Dave Randall, WHO IS A BEAST, hasn't yet qualified.
Travis: You called Frank, Karen.....
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Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Feb 12, 2005 20:32:46 GMT -5
Travis, 3 lbs over at the 99 Arnold and Karen let you pull? The 198 class or 198+? Then denied Robert Redden? Why?
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Post by Sol "Arm and Hammer"Ingram on Feb 12, 2005 23:27:51 GMT -5
Well??? As i was saying... I think i will add a class in between the 199-242.. probaly 199-220.....221-242 Does this sound like the thing to do? Thanks Sol
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Post by Chris Coletti on Feb 13, 2005 11:52:40 GMT -5
I think the weight classes should go as follows: 0-138 139-154 155-171 172-189 190-205 206-220 Anyone over 220 should be a man and diet to make weight. This would get all those on steroids off of them and clean up the sport a little For the record. Frank Bean weighed me in at the Get a grip with no one in the room. I weighed in with my jeans and shirt on at 63.1 KG. Frank knew I could make it and we are pretty good friends but he still made me get down to my boxers to weigh in “Officially” at 62.9 kg. Franks honesty about weight is undisputable. I am not saying anyone is lieing but someone is lieing ;D Whenever I watch UFC or Boxing the lighter “Bests in the world” are always more entertaining. They are in better shape…quicker and have more skills. Most heavies are heavy from lack of discipline…slow and rely on power more than the raw skill and talent they forge through hard work. Granted Travis has Skills. He has more knowledge than I do and I am sure he could show me how to beat the guys in my class that I currently can’t but he is a huge exception to the rule. That’s why he beats most of the other heavy’s with little effort. Get off the little guys. We may be small but we train harder and sacrifice more. Just come to Thanksgiving at my house one year right before the Florida States and you would cry. |
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Post by Chris Coletti on Feb 13, 2005 12:02:24 GMT -5
Christian,
Theres some other questions you needed to ask. Why were you three pounds over at such a huge event? and If you were why did you pull knowing you were cheating at 3 pounds over? Was that fair to the competitors who dieted all week to make weight?
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Post by Chris Coletti on Feb 13, 2005 12:11:50 GMT -5
One more thing. A few years back at the LA states that the classes were 0-143 and 144-165. Karen weighed me in at that one at 143.2 I Had to pull the 165 class. That stunk but it was the right thing to do (And Karen did not give me a choice)  Weight is a big issue. That's what could possibly be the biggest advantage to a puller equal in skills. I know that we all (All under supers) fight it to a certain extent at every tournament for weight. It's the reason my wife loves armwrestling (It keeps me from getting fat at 40). There was a rumor that I gave weight at a tournament here in Florida a few years back and Karen was the first to call and hammer me. Even when I denied it I still was lectured on the problem with giving even a quarter pound for socks! Just ask Rick L about the year he was trying to give a clothing allowance. I know it is the same with Denise they all take making weight more serious than a heart attack. |
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Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Feb 13, 2005 12:48:34 GMT -5
I agree. Cheating is cheating, comes in many forms. On either side....
"I'm not saying anyone is lieing but someone is lieing ".
;D....
Who is lying? And why would someone lie? Either side can defend what MIGHT have happened.
BOY ONLY the big guys are on steriods! COME ON!! HMMMM NEVER seen little lightweight guys "on "EVER....
Little guys train harder and sacrifice more? REALLY? HMMM!
"beats most other heavys with little effort" TRUE!! BUT like above, cheating comes in many different forms....LOL. FOR ME. I will NEVER go on "R" like only a very few Heavyweights do, and then say I"m the BEST. Maybe thats stupid of me...Rather be known for honesty than as a cheat
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Post by Chris Coletti on Feb 13, 2005 12:54:17 GMT -5
I was just thinking of another issue. It's one that I had with Karen just this year. She was the named tournament director of the FL States this year (Her along with outgoing director Greg Helms) I wanted a 138 class in because of course that is my weight and I asked karen to put it in. She said no because I asked to late in the game and did not give the other pullers a fair enough chance to diet down and make the weight. I was pissed! It was my state and my class was not in it. This again can be looked at two ways. If she put my class in with a week left before the tournament would that have been fair to pullers like Jason Rivas who walks around at 145 before a tournament. I would have been a shoe in to win given I was already at that weight. I had two choices. I could pull 54 or not. I did not pull but the point is Karen did not budge. She did not give in even knowing I was mad about it. This says volumes for her fairness to all pullers whether they are "Up her skirt" or not. even when she pisses off a friend she still tries to do what is right and fair. This statement does not place me back up the skirt as people like to say but it does state the truth about her character as I see it. Travis I am now doing the pullups in the way you advised me. I will let you know if it works at Albany |
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Post by Chris Coletti on Feb 13, 2005 13:20:46 GMT -5
Christian, The only thing good about steroids is that once guys in my class get on them they are not in my class long Why would Karen give weight to Travis and not Robert when they have been friends for years! And not me!!! I have been kissising her butt for all my life The statement about us little guys working harder than you big guys was all in fun. I know you train incredibly hard. Taking nothing from you. Again just playing. |
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