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Post by Paul Maiden on Feb 25, 2005 7:18:40 GMT -5
HEY Guys n Girls
i was wondering on your thoughts of why the Russians seem to domanate the worlds etc?
do you think there more dedicated?
there training what?
i suppose i better give mine.well as we know russia may be a little poorer than most countries out there and for 1 if a individual is given a chance they may seem to think of it has a way out of the slum and then thats there life,another opion of mine is that in there country its taken more seriously than most and with the help of the goverment and other sporting bodies there able to train like atlthetes should full time and so that could be a reason,but heres another they hate the west they think were arrogant and they want to show the world they can kick our ass at ANY cost. ;D
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David Horne
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Post by David Horne on Feb 25, 2005 15:55:03 GMT -5
Paul,
The Soviet countries house a lot of people, a big mix of some very strong resiliant races. Yes, many are poor, and want to try to better them self, and have found that they can through sport. Olympic strength sports such as weightlifting and wrestling get a lot of athletes coming through the doors, and are met with much coaching and support. Armwrestling is a new sport there and is probably getting similar backing now in the new Russia.
In the past (Pre WW2, and pre steriods), the Russian strongmen and wrestlers came and competed succesfully in the rest of Europe. Some of the most famous strongmen and wrestlers from the 'Golden Era' (1890-1910) came from Russia. George Hackenschmidt (Russia), and Eugene Sandow (Prussia) are just a few we can mention. There were many Russian strongmen who were better but who stayed at home, but also many travelled for the money.
As I said earlier they are strong resiliant people.
David
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Post by Travis Bagent on Feb 25, 2005 17:33:54 GMT -5
The BEST in the USA just can't afford to pull for a 12 dollar medal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
143- Rick Saliwada
154- Craig Tullier
165- Cobra Rhodes
176- Chad Silvers
187- Selaris, Bongard
198- Brzenk
220- Bath
242- Girdner (get on a DIET, your closer then me) lol
Over- Bagent
Someone pay our way and we will beat any country!!
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Post by leonard on Feb 25, 2005 18:25:24 GMT -5
As much as it pains me to admit that Travis is right, the Russian team airline and hotel is paid. If the USA received a sponsor for Team USA, you would see different results. By the way they don't always win.
USA (even with split teams) won the World Team Championship in 1998 and 2002. ;D
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Post by Steve Kirlew on Feb 25, 2005 18:26:37 GMT -5
Russians just seem to be much more dedicated that us Westerners. I think we are in a lazy culture in the Western world. I don't just think that it's a case of someone paying our way because many people armwrestle for the love of the sport. Also if someone is truly dedicated to becoming the best they will sacrifice the hour in front of the tv or part of the lunch break to train! This requires alot of will power and dedication and is very hard and i think the Eastern Block countries have more of this than we do.
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Post by Chris Coletti on Feb 25, 2005 18:42:56 GMT -5
Steroids
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Post by leonard on Feb 25, 2005 18:48:36 GMT -5
I couldn't disagree more. At least in the US, our armwrestlers are just as motivated but have those same Russians pay for their own airline and hotel and then well see just who is more dedicated. ;D
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Post by Steve Kirlew on Feb 25, 2005 19:11:04 GMT -5
Yes Leonard it may be true that they would have less dedication if they had to pay for themselves because they are a very poor nation.
For what ever reason, i believe that the Russians are more dedicated to regular intense training, not nessisarily the sport. U.S wresters might be just as motivated as the Russians but dedication is different to motiation.
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Post by Chris Coletti on Feb 25, 2005 23:21:33 GMT -5
They are more dedicated to winning than most Americans. Not in training. I would say that we train just as hard if not harder. They will for the most part even risk their lives for a piece of plastic. (When you stop and think about it you have to laugh at the users. Or pity them for what they risk in exchange for what they get) You can call that dedication or stupidity. I guess it's all in your own perception of what success is.
At least in this country the top athletes who use are getting paid millions in other sports. It's like a crook who risks his life robbing a comic book store vs. the crook who does it to rob a Bank. Crime is the same just the payoff is different.
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Post by Jeff King on Feb 26, 2005 0:37:02 GMT -5
Fact is these athletes (including the Olympics) are funded and sponsored by their country to represent as an athlete. That's their job. Unlike a lot of us who train hard but need to balance a "real life" too. You can bet also that it's a nationalism political/patriotic thing like "look at our athletes the best!" While they have had hard times with economy and all athletics is what they do well. Olympic athletes who earn a medal or given something like $10, 000 per medal. So according to their economy multiply that by 10x in converted currency and if they are from the average income bracket there that or armwrestling prize $$$ is a HUGE pay day! Good for them!
About the steroid thing, How many people not from Russia use anabolics as well? Also, if you're not talented all the steroids in the world won't help you in the least.(BIG MISCONCEPTION)
I don't myself but since testing is non existant yet where is the deterant for those who choose to regardless of where they are from?
We are in a non tested sport so it's kind of a non issue "Well he's on steroids and I'm not." Yeah so?? I'm not either and this and that person are. (hopefully change in Japan though.)
Steroids build muscle yes but are destructive to tendons as the tendons at some point won't be able to hold up the muscle weight and mass and armwrestling is tendon strength. That's how a small armwrestler can beat the big guys in the gym easily (and technique yes obviously too.).
-JEFF
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Post by Ryan Espey on Feb 26, 2005 1:24:32 GMT -5
Hey Travis... weren't you just on national television bragging about being worth "a couple mil"??
And for those who might not be able to afford it......
Why not use that huge mouth of yours to lobby for some sponsorship for that team you just listed?
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Post by enginterzi on Feb 26, 2005 7:25:51 GMT -5
The BEST in the USA just can't afford to pull for a 12 dollar medal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 143- Rick Saliwada 154- Craig Tullier 165- Cobra Rhodes 176- Chad Silvers 187- Selaris, Bongard 198- Brzenk 220- Bath 242- Girdner (get on a DIET, your closer then me) lol Over- Bagent Someone pay our way and we will beat any country!! 143- Rick Saliwada 1999 japan 2.place behind russian 2001 poland 3.place behind russian left arm-not placed right arm 2002 USA 2.place with right arm behind russian-? left arm 2003 canada 2.place left arm behind russian-3.place with right arm 2004 s.africa 2.place left and 3. place right hand both behind russian 154- Craig Tullier 1992 switzerland 3.place 1993 canada 6.place 1997 india 5.right hand-4.left hand both behind russian 1999 russia 5.place with both hands behind russian 2000 USA 2.place right hand (there was no russian in class) 2001 italy 2.place right hand-5.place left hand 2004 brazil 2.place with left and 3.place with right hand behind russian 165- Cobra Rhodes always beat the russians except in 1997 india 176- Chad Silvers has won world titles when there was no russians OR when the russians werent as good as they are today(1989 to 1993) 187- Selaris, 1998 canada 1.place right hand-2.place left hand(no russian in classes) 2000 USA 5.place with right arm(no russian in class) 2003 canada 4.place left hand-3.place right hand both behind russians bongard,1995 brazil 2.place right hand behind russian 198- Brzenk no question he is the best 220- Bath 1998 canada 1.place both hands over russian 1999 japan 2.place left hand-6.place right hand behind the russian 242- Girdner 2002 USA 2.place with right hand supers-bagent,2000 USA 4.place right hand-3.place left hand 2003 canada,1.place right hand over russian Americans are generally better armwrestlers than the rest of the armwrestlers in the world.but underestimating the russians is not very realistic.or thinking that those names never met the russians and they would beat them for sure if they have sponsor,is not true.those that i have listed are the official WAF results,when they had chance to pull against eachother. as i have mentioned many times before,US pullers in the heavy classes have more chance of beating the armwrestlers from the rest f the world but its hard to say the same thing for the light weights.Cobra Rhodes is the only exception for team US as the greatest light weight in the world. i totally agree with Mighty and Steve about the things that they have written about the subject. |
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Post by Olin Lucas on Feb 26, 2005 11:34:06 GMT -5
You look at the olympic medal standings, and you will see that the USA is very dominant in any sport, but I also personally believe that it boils down to the point that Americans are lazy. Plain and simple.......... if you disagree, then you are blind to the truth. Everyone of us takes our priveledges for granted. We can wake up any morning that we want to, get in our car and start our across the country, and not have a problem in the world with other states not letting you in. There are many countries in this world where you cannot leave your state, or you could be killed. Other countries do not have stability that we have, so they have to seek a trade or some special talent that the possess. When some of these Russians see that they have the talent to armwrestle, and can be financially secured with it, then they take it as serious as we take our daily jobs. Armwrestling is not any American's bread winning occupation, although this would be my dream as a pro athlete, armwrestling usually falls behind our family, work and other priorities. In my opinion these are the reasons that the Russians prevail in this sport.
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Post by Ron Bath on Feb 26, 2005 11:50:28 GMT -5
Engin, 1999, Torn bicep first right hand match. Otherwise I would of been first ahead of all.
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Post by Travis Bagent on Feb 26, 2005 13:06:37 GMT -5
RYAN, I'd rather use my BIG MOUTH to tell you how much trouble your in come APRIL 9......
6-0 Bagent all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The best in each class are not all RUSSIAN, but lack of participation by the rest of the world is the reason they win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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