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Post by jamesretarides on Jun 19, 2005 15:07:57 GMT -5
Congrats Engin, on your firsts.
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Post by Willie Reagan on Jun 19, 2005 15:45:10 GMT -5
Great job Engin!!
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Post by simon on Jun 19, 2005 17:00:46 GMT -5
Congrats Engin, it sounds like you worked hard and very much earned yet two more world level championships.
You say your test will come back negative "if" does that mean that they did not complete the tests or announce any disqualifications, it makes sense that they would not be able to, did they announce when they will do so? Did anyone already get DQ'd for failing to test?
Congrats to you again champ.
Simon
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Post by Gabriel Nagy on Jun 20, 2005 3:39:26 GMT -5
Jano Germanus had an elbow surgery, thats why he werent there...but I dont tell that he is clean. And once again - negative test doesnt mean clean Engin (I dont think about you, just telling...) Engin did U fight against Slovakian junior champion? How was it go? Congrat to your next golds.  |
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Post by Malin Kleinsmith on Jun 20, 2005 7:09:41 GMT -5
About the doping tests that where on the Europeans I heard that they will first send the results to the Bulgarian federation and then they (the federation of Bulgaria) will send it to the EAF:s Doping-group.
I think that WADA should send the results to both the Bulgarian federation and also to the Doping-group (Frederic for an example) at the same time. That would be better I think. Otherwise many people will think that the results can be a little mixed with before it get to the EAF:s doping-group. I have already heard people talk like that.
I also feel that it´s a pitty that at least 3 atlethes where tested 2 times each, one for the left arm and one for the right arm. That means that 6 tests went to the same 3 people. That means that 3 of the tests was trown in the sea (almost), especially when there is only 20 tests. I understand that IF the people that where tested day 1 knew that they wont be tested the day after they COULD take something to be stronger/more active day 2. But IF on the day 1, one of the athlets that also would compete the next day was picked out to get tested they could wait until he/she had been pulling the day 2. Then he/she would be tested only once and there would be MORE people tested. If that person didn´t show up the day 2 he/she would be looked at as being dope-positive.
But it´s GREAT that we finally have doping tests in this sport. Also at the Swedish, Turkish, Germanys nationals we all had doping tests. And I hope to see more of this in the future in the way that Engin describes. To have it 45 days before the EC and WC, then 15 days before and also AT the Europeans and at the Worlds. That would be a DREAM come true.
There are many things that could be better with this. But right now I am SO happy that we are one step further in the right direction.
ENGIN!
Congratulations for you wins in both hands. You did a GREAT job!!! I also partied with two of the guys from your team. They where very nice! Hope to see you soon again.
Hugs, Malin
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Post by Gabriel Nagy on Jun 20, 2005 7:19:37 GMT -5
I told you Im just thinking maybe Jagnesak lost some energy in junior round...but just theoretically  I dont think about you or somebody else (You can be clean...Im clean too)...just say the same all around...in powerlifting, athletic, cycling, tenis... = million tests = 5% pozitiv...and all people in know that clean are maybe 10%...thats suck but thats the real world...and why wrote it because this makes mee angry  People in AW will just learn from experienced sports with dope tests. Plus I want to add one qoute from one american powerlifters...he wrote it specially for russians... What I have know...generally US powerlifters are fast 100% juiced...in europe it is a little bit better but quite the same. I just want to react in one discussion in the past...it looked like european (especially eastern) success=juicy, juicy...while others success = skills, hard training and so on... How can run Powell, Greene the same level even better, than the extra skilled and juiced B.Johson and Montgomery ...no way friends The Slovakian were tested in our final too...I agree that this is a step ahead, but what will come it wont be dream Malin. |
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Post by simon on Jun 20, 2005 9:42:32 GMT -5
I did say it would be interesting to see what happens at the EAF's inclusive of the testing, it all sounds pretty interesting to me.
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Post by simon on Jun 20, 2005 9:47:16 GMT -5
Engin what is the name of your friend from Turkey that pulled 65kg against Roman?
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Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Jun 20, 2005 10:35:09 GMT -5
Engin: Congratulations!
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Post by Gabriel Nagy on Jun 20, 2005 11:15:54 GMT -5
Thats true and well said, but...still it doesnt harm my oppinions. What I wrote and what U wrote is quite the same.
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Post by Chris Gangi on Jun 20, 2005 12:34:22 GMT -5
CONGRATS ENGIN.......
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Post by Steve Kirlew on Jun 20, 2005 12:49:36 GMT -5
That's amazing Engin!!!  Congratulations!!! That's great news! Do you know how Neil Pickup did? I can't believe that Klimenko got 7th!!!  Tha's unbelievable! Why do you think this is? |
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Post by simon on Jun 20, 2005 15:25:43 GMT -5
Engin, Malin, or anyone that attended the EAF's I would be curious if you are willing to tell me more detail about how the testing went, did they provide you with a detailed waiver to sign once you were going to be tested or, prior to the event regarding the testing, was there anything particularly concerning about the process? Any other details you care to offer?
I am hoping that some discovery now will help the WAF and the athletes prepare for the testing in Japan.
Please send me a PM if you like and if there is anything you do not want repeated or told to anyone else please just let me know.
Who else got tested? Thoughts on the event as a whole considering those that attended?
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Post by Malin Kleinsmith on Jun 20, 2005 15:57:33 GMT -5
ENGIN!
Thank you for your kind words. You´re sweet!
SIMON!
How they did the testing:
They had 20 tests, 10 tests for the left arm and 10 for the right arm. After the price-ceremony and after we had the medals we had to go to a big bowl near the stage, where everybody saw it, and take a small peace of a paper. It was as many papers in there as there where 1st, 2nd and 3rd pullers in EACH class. If it was a cross on the paper we had to go directly to the room for being doping tested.
We did not sign a paper that it was ok to get doping tested (we did that in Sweden though)
What you should think about to the testing in Japan is:
* That the same athlete should not be tested twice.
* The result of the test should be sent from the WADA to the doping-comittee and the host country (IF they need it, otherwise to the doping-comittee AND the WAF/EAF federation) at the same time.
* If a person got the cross on the paper on the 1:st day of the EC/WC and he/she also will compete the day 2, he/she should get tested the day after (day 2) instead of the same day. If he/she doesn´t show up day 2, it would mean that he/she is tested positive.
* When you have that few tests as 20 you might focus on only the 1:st place taker. Or maybe on 1:st and 2:nd place taker.
* Maybe you also could have the doping comittee to make the small paper-bits, so the same persons are doing them that the armwrestlers trust (for an example Frederic who is in the doping comittee), so nobody could for an example fold the one with the crosses on bigger and the one without crosses on smaller. Now I don´t say that it WAS like that at the Europeans. I didn´t notice any difference but you COULD easily do that if you wanted.
Well that is just my thoughts about it.
I can also say that I saw some people getting really happy with having a paper without a cross on. One of the girls went so happy that she jumped up and down a little with a big smile. One other (a guy) went so happy that he hugged his coach. I don´t say anything about that, it´s just something that I noticed and that made me think that these people might take something, since they got so happy!
I will write later on a topic about the Europeans, and about other things that has to change in this sport that I noticed when I was there. But it is a little sensitive so I will really think out how to write it. But please feel free to add something about it when it comes up. Your thoughts and so on.
Now I have to sleep. Work tomorrow....AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH...
Malin
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Post by Steve Kirlew on Jun 20, 2005 17:17:29 GMT -5
I can't believe some of these results!!! They're a big shock! August becoming the European Champion in the 110kg+! Puskar getting only got 4th and 3rd! Klimenko 7th! Tsindilian didn't win on the left! I think Ion totally deserves to get 2nd on the left!!! He is soooo powerful!
So many wrestlers were missing! Where were they?? Like Eldorov, Maximov (I think he would beat Stoian Golemanov!), Voevoda, Semarenko, the World Champion in the 70kg class, and many more!!!
Engin, do you think that Ramadin would beat Tsindiliani? And do you now where Ramadin is these days?
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Congratulations!!! That's great news! 
Tha's unbelievable! Why do you think this is?