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Post by Russell Stark on Nov 4, 2010 11:05:13 GMT -5
Jesus is the MAN  He has blessed me more than I could have ever imagined. That about sums up how I feel.  |
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Nov 4, 2010 11:06:00 GMT -5
Could any of this have been known to sixth-century Muslims at the time of Muhammed? Surely that procreation involves the emission of a drop of fluid has been well known from the earliest days of civilization. In Genesis 38:9 the Bible tells us that Onan "spilled his semen on the ground to keep from producing offspring for his brother". The verses which describe the origin of life as a drop of emitted fluid are therefore no more than a direct observation as to what is released during the act of sexual intercourse. We hardly need to rely upon divine inspiration to inform us of this fact.
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Post by enginterzi on Nov 4, 2010 11:08:15 GMT -5
if i prove you by the either INDEPENDANT OR CHRISTIAN SOURCES that ALLAH is in the Bible and if you still do not accept even the KJV lexicon that says its translated 95 times as God then what intelligence are you talking about?
oh maybe i created those lexicon web sites for the sake of this argument and named them KJV lexicon in Hebrew and Aramaic lexicon?
if you do not see the difference between copy-paste of these sources and the cheap propaganda web sites that you posted without any official source then what intelligence are you talking about?
Zoroaster believed in 1 GOD that created everything.the other "god" that you talk about is devil who is also called as god of this world but Zoroaster did not worship him same as Jesus did not worship devil.
try to understand what you read.
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Nov 4, 2010 11:10:20 GMT -5
Zoroaster believed in two primal beings like the good on the right the bad on the left so to speak I have read some of his work an it predates the Quran or bible. I do believe he met God but my point was you have this kinda stuff even older than Zoroaster that has similarities to it all and it's pagan ideas. IMO you have to seperate the peoples personal opinions from what God's true word is and that comes with discernment of the spirit.
^Im gonna go with that one Russel. Jesus is the man and I love him.
Engin I admit that there is truth in the Quran there is the truth from God in anything you look for his wisdom is eternal as is his word. It is everywhere and in everything whether seen or not seen. Im not saying your book is wrong or mine is wrong im saying you can't say one is wrong an the other right because the ancient evidence has contradictions in all of the books. But the point is clearly proven by all the ancient books that God is for a fact real imo. I think alot of the ancient stories are more ancient than scientist think man is. I think man is alot older than what scientist date us at. But thats another topic completely. Feel free to post more link I will read them like I did the others but I will quit posting since it offends you.
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Post by enginterzi on Nov 4, 2010 11:14:23 GMT -5
And I never said the myths are just in your I can see similarities in my book to and in Judaism also only thing is I admit that it can be seen. Lots of islamic practices have a pagan background........... Your whole argument was about a book not being written by the author it was supposed to. My whole argument leading up to now was to prove that all of the books have someone elses influence in them. Or it seems that way I don't believe that way but if you try an point out facts like you was then that would be facts towards all of the books not just the new testament specifically John. You can't even say who physically wrote down the Quran for a fact. It's author is anonymous. How come they burned most of them up in the past? who says i can not say who wrote the Quran physically? Muslims wrote it down all together,they were altogether side by side under the Islamic Government.what makes you think that there was a problem with it? about John it is clear even by the words of the Gospel that it is not written by him.people even find themselves in need to prove so that they even include their testimony that it was written by John. another lie that i realised that you wrote "no one says that John wrote his own Gospel" " This is the disciple who testifies to these things and who wrote them down. We know that his testimony is true." |
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Post by enginterzi on Nov 4, 2010 11:19:21 GMT -5
Engin look at the dates on your professor. 1981. How far has medical understanding advanced in 29 years?  yes but proven things have not been changed.gravity is still the same since Isaac Newton, Johnny |
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Nov 4, 2010 11:20:01 GMT -5
Exactly John wrote them down pre gospel of John it was rewritten by someone else. John didn't physically write down The Gospel of John. We are not scholars so our interpretations will be different. It is what it is. All the gospels were written from a different source with the Diciples words in them along with what Jesus said. All were derived from a Q source which you overlooked also.
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Nov 4, 2010 11:20:29 GMT -5
We don't come from a blood clot |
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Post by enginterzi on Nov 4, 2010 11:23:51 GMT -5
86:6-7 He is created from a drop emitted - proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs. see Johnny,you do not want to learn the truth.you make a claim then i provide you the truth but you repeat the same thing again.what to do with you? 86:7 human sperms originate from between the back and the ribs, which contradicts the science of embryology which stresses that sperms originate from the testicles. here is your answer Johnny (but please read carefully if you truly want to learn); www.ahlalhdeeth.com/vbe/showthread.php?t=2602 are you gonna learn this time or keep repeating the same thing? |
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Post by enginterzi on Nov 4, 2010 11:26:16 GMT -5
Exactly John wrote them down pre gospel of John it was rewritten by someone else. John didn't physically write down The Gospel of John. We are not scholars so our interpretations will be different. It is what it is. All the gospels were written from a different source with the Diciples words in them along with what Jesus said. All were derived from a Q source which you overlooked also. how was it re-written? and why? and from which source? and would it not be better to have the source instead of some people saying that ; " This is the disciple who testifies to these things and who wrote them down. We know that his testimony is true." also why did they add such words in John's Gospel? |
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Post by enginterzi on Nov 4, 2010 11:28:19 GMT -5
The metaphorical description of God making man out of the dust of the earth is ancient and predates the Qur'an by thousands of years; so if GOD created the man out of the dust of the earth then GOD should change this in Quran and say; " I created the man from iron" ?? do you even think before you post these ideas? |
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Post by enginterzi on Nov 4, 2010 11:33:36 GMT -5
this also was known in 7. century right?
THE LAYERS OF THE ATMOSPHERE
One fact about the universe revealed in the verses of the Qur'an is that the sky is made up of seven layers:
It is He Who created everything on the earth for you and then directed His attention up to heaven and arranged it into seven regular heavens. He has knowledge of all things. (Qur'an, 2:29)
Then He turned to heaven when it was smoke. In two days He determined them as seven heavens and revealed, in every heaven, its own mandate. (Qur'an, 41:11-12)
The word "heavens," which appears in many verses in the Qur'an, is used to refer to the sky above the Earth, as well as the entire universe. Given this meaning of the word, it is seen that the Earth's sky, or the atmosphere, is made up of seven layers.
Today, it is known that the world's atmosphere consists of different layers that lie on top of each other.19 Based on the criteria of chemical contents or air temperature, the definitions made have determined the atmosphere of the earth as seven layers.20 According to the "Limited Fine Mesh Model (LFMMII)," a model of atmosphere used to estimate weather conditions for 48 hours, the atmosphere is also 7 layers. According to the modern geological definitions the seven layers of atmosphere are as follows:
1. Troposphere
2. Stratosphere
3. Mesosphere
4. Thermosphere
5. Exosphere
6. Ionosphere
7. Magnetosphere
The Qur'an says, "[He] revealed, in every heaven, its own mandate," in Surah Fussilat 12. In other words, Allah is stating that He assigned each heaven its own duty. Truly, as will be seen in following chapters, each one of these layers has vital duties for the benefit of human kind and all other living things on the Earth. Each layer has a particular function, ranging from forming rain to preventing harmful rays, from reflecting radio waves to averting the harmful effects of meteors.
The verses below inform us about the appearance of the seven layers of the atmosphere:
Do you not see how He created seven heavens in layers? (Qur'an, 71:15)
He Who created the seven heavens in layers… (Qur'an, 67:3)
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Post by enginterzi on Nov 4, 2010 11:35:32 GMT -5
THE MIRACLE OF IRON
Iron is one of the elements highlighted in the Qur'an. In Surat al-Hadid, meaning Iron, we are informed:
And We also sent down iron in which there lies great force and which has many uses for mankind… (Qur'an, 57:25)
Iron ingot
The word "anzalna," translated as "sent down" and used for iron in the verse, could be thought of having a metaphorical meaning to explain that iron has been given to benefit people. But, when we take into consideration the literal meaning of the word, which is, "being physically sent down from the sky," as in the case of rain and Sun rays, we realize that this verse implies a very significant scientific miracle. Because, modern astronomical findings have disclosed that the iron found in our world has come from giant stars in outer space.
Not only the iron on earth, but also the iron in the entire Solar System, comes from outer space, since the temperature in the Sun is inadequate for the formation of iron. The sun has a surface temperature of 6,000 degrees Celsius, and a core temperature of approximately 20 million degrees. Iron can only be produced in much larger stars than the Sun, where the temperature reaches a few hundred million degrees. When the amount of iron exceeds a certain level in a star, the star can no longer accommodate it, and it eventually explodes in what is called a "nova" or a "supernova." These explosions make it possible for iron to be given off into space.39
One scientific source provides the following information on this subject:
There is also evidence for older supernova events: Enhanced levels of iron-60 in deep-sea sediments have been interpreted as indications that a supernova explosion occurred within 90 light-years of the sun about 5 million years ago. Iron-60 is a radioactive isotope of iron, formed in supernova explosions, which decays with a half life of 1.5 million years. An enhanced presence of this isotope in a geologic layer indicates the recent nucleosynthesis of elements nearby in space and their subsequent transport to the earth (perhaps as part of dust grains).
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Post by enginterzi on Nov 4, 2010 11:43:39 GMT -5
We don't come from a blood clot i knew you do not read since you dont have intention to learn Literally, the Arabic word alaqah has three meanings: (1) leech, (2) suspended thing, and (3) blood clot. |
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Post by enginterzi on Nov 4, 2010 11:45:43 GMT -5
again a few more false claims and you got your answers you can bring more of these false claims but give me a favour and dont bring the same ones over and over because i am sick of answering the same false claims. |
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