PEOPLE WHO BELEIVE IN GOD !!!

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another lucky guess by our Prophet in 7. century;

THE LAYERS OF THE EARTH

One item of information about the Earth given in the Qur'an is its similarity to the seven-layered sky:

It is Allah Who created the seven heavens and of the earth the same number, the Command descending down through all of them, so that you might know that Allah has power over all things and that Allah encompasses all things in His knowledge. (Qur'an, 65:12)


The information in the above verse is confirmed in scientific sources, wherein it is explained that the Earth consists of seven strata. These, as scientists have identified, are:

1st layer: Lithosphere (water)

2nd layer: Lithosphere (land)

3rd layer: Asthenosphere

4th layer: Upper Mantle

5th layer: Inner Mantle

6th layer: Outer Core

7th layer: Inner Core

The word lithosphere is derived from the Greek word lithos, meaning stone, which is a hard stratum forming the Earth's top layer. It is quite thin in comparison to the other strata. The lithosphere under the oceans is still thinner, and is a region with volcanic activity. Its average thickness is 80 km. It is colder and harder than the other strata, and therefore, forms the earth's shell.

Below the lithosphere is the stratum known as the asthenosphere, from the Greek word for "weak," asthenes. This layer is thinner than the lithosphere and shifts. It was formed of hot, semi-solid substances capable of melting when exposed to high temperatures and pressure over geological time. It is thought that the hard lithosphere floats or moves over the slowly moving asthenosphere.23 Under these layers is a high-temperature layer some 2,900 km thick, made up of semi-solid rock known as the mantle. This contains more iron, magnesium and calcium than the crust, and is also hotter and denser, because temperature and density in the Earth increase with depth.

At the centre of the Earth is the core, approximately twice as dense as the mantle. The reason for that density is that it contains a higher proportion of metals (iron-nickel alloy) than rock. The Earth's core consists of two parts. One is the 2,200 km thick liquid outer core, the other a 1,250 km thick solid inner core. The liquid outer core provides the Earth's magnetic field as the planet rotates.

The truth of this similarity between the sky and the layers of the Earth, only identified by 20th century technology, is without doubt another of the Qur'an's scientific miracles.

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another lucky guess;


THE PROTECTED ROOF

In the Qur'an, Allah calls our attention to a very important attribute of the sky:

We made the sky a preserved and protected roof yet still they turn away from Our Signs. (Qur'an, 21:32)

This attribute of the sky has been proved by scientific research carried out in the 20th century: The atmosphere surrounding the Earth serves crucial functions for the continuity of life. While destroying many meteors-big and small-as they approach the Earth, it prevents them from falling to Earth and harming living things.

In addition, the atmosphere filters the light rays coming from space that are harmful to living things. The most striking feature of the atmosphere is that it lets only harmless and useful rays-visible light, near ultraviolet light and radio waves pass through. All of this radiation is vital for life. Near ultraviolet rays, which are only partially let in by the atmosphere, are very important for the photosynthesis of plants and for the survival of all living beings. The majority of the intense ultraviolet rays emitted from the Sun are filtered out by the ozone layer of the atmosphere. Only a limited and essential part of the ultraviolet spectrum reaches the Earth.

The protective function of the atmosphere does not end here. The atmosphere also protects the earth from the freezing cold of the space, which is approximately -270oC.

It is not only the atmosphere that protects the Earth from harmful effects. In addition to the atmosphere, the Van Allen Belt-the layer caused by the magnetic field of the Earth-also serves as a shield against the harmful radiation that threatens our planet. This radiation, which is constantly emitted by the Sun and other stars, is deadly to living things. If the Van Allen belt did not exist, the massive outbursts of energy called solar flares that frequently occur in the Sun would destroy all life on Earth.

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Nov 4, 2010 11:10:20 GMT -5 Johnny Edwards said:

Zoroaster believed in two primal beings like the good on the right the bad on the left so to speak I have read some of his work an it predates the Quran or bible. I do believe he met God but my point was you have this kinda stuff even older than Zoroaster that has similarities to it all and it's pagan ideas. IMO you have to seperate the peoples personal opinions from what God's true word is and that comes with discernment of the spirit.

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we also believe that GOD is good and Satan is evil but it does not make Satan a god unless one believes in that way.


" Zoroaster believed in one creator God, teaching that only one God was worthy of worship. "


www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/zoroastrian/history/zoroaster_1.shtml


Zoroaster,Buddha and some others were possibly the messengers of GOD.the corruption of original message is what i discuss here.anything that is added into the most important order of GOD is corrupted.


the LORD our GOD the LORD is ONE !


if there was such a trinity thing then GOD would have said this openly and hundreds of times without any confussion about it.

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Nov 4, 2010 10:52:05 GMT -5 Johnny Edwards said:

I like how it's cool for you to post offensive stuff towards a religion but not ok for someone to post it back. .

here we are discussing about the origins of the scriptures.in which part of the discussion i called your scripture as terrorism etc? so you can post it back but once you start offenses such as terrorism etc then i also remind you the RAPING ORDERS,MASS KILLING ORDERS INCLUDING WOMEN,BABIES,OLD ETC in your Bible (did you want me to quote the verses?)

discussing about te origins of the scriptures is a different thing than involving daily politics into subject.if that is your intention then we can start that subject at least i have nothing to lose since i will not hear anything different than the things that Zionists already do by media,holywood etc. but as you know that i am capable of sharing some new info(bywestern sources) which you dont hear by zionist media neither watch on holywood movies.

but you are the one WHO STARTS that kind of argument by quoting "terrorist" type of accusation.


so when you compare the things try to differ apples and oranges from eachother.

you have asked things which seemed as contradiction to you and i answered them all without any exception.but again ,whenever you become helpless you also involve "terrorism" type of accusations into your argument and that is where the problem start.

if you want we can open a new thread and quote as many verses from both Bible and Quran as we want to see where the violence is.


but if that is not your intention then keep it clean.

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Daily politics played a roll in shaping religions.

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Nov 4, 2010 13:33:47 GMT -5 Johnny Edwards said:

Daily politics played a roll in shaping religions.

i thought we were talking about the history,not today.

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vroooom what i said when right over your head. Daily politics in history have shaped religions.

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what is vroooom?

yes they did but i am talking about your daily politic involvement not the politics of the history.

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I didn't mean todays politics I guess that language barrier really is a problem sometimes. I thought you would know I meant historical politics by the structure of my sentence.


vroooooom is just an expression.

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Just so I don't throw people off about Zoroaster. In the Zen Avesta it is a dualistic view of good and evil, The God of light Mazda will make himself incarnate in the flesh and will save mankind. There is a branch of Zordastianism that broke off and thought Mithra was God incarnate. Only he didn't fulfill the role to a tee but it was a small group. Now the magi that visited Jesus were from Zordastianism religion and followed the star of bethlehem to go see the saviour. They didn't think Jesus was the saviour but gave him gifts none the less out of respect because God had led them to him. Which Isaiah clearly expresses about who Jesus would be. But imo it all adds up. you got someone that was the first written religion saying a savior will be born to save mankind and that religion ifluenced the 3 major religions that we have today. Just thought i would give everyone a little more information on that. There are alot of similarities in the book of zen avesta an modern religions. The Christmas thing was when the man Mithra was born which was the winter solstice or the day with the least amount of light. The Christians later adopted this practice to represent Jesus which could be represented as adopting it from a pagan false christ because Jesus was believed to have been born sometime in sept. In Mithraism only males could be baptised but it was a baptism by blood. They also had a feast of bread and wine which wasn't the same as the modern day celebration that we do. The Mithra sect was brought into being around 800-700BCE or BC and its good to note that Zordastianism was around 100's of years before. I see good similarities in how that could be a Ahriman's tricks to have another sect to depict a false christ. Ahriman was the prince of darkness that Zoroaster discovered. Anyways thats just some of what I have learned about Zordastrianism and mithraism in college lately and thought I would share my views on the similarities and the forming of christianity. I believe it is just further evidence for Christ' divinity.

It is good to know that the list of qualities that the Christ is supposed to have is a man made list besides reading into the prophecies of the old testament prophets.

[Johnny Edwards]

All that I just wrote was written from what I learned in my own words so anyone has anything to add feel free. I think the farther back we go into the world's history the more we have proof of God. I find it very very hard to believe ancient people were just idiots who didn't know anything. And idiot could not build a pyramid like was built. That involves very good plans and some math.

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from the Zoroastrian web site;

tenets.parsizoroastrianism.com/zor33.html

Zarathushtra was the first prophet to preach a monotheistic religion, and He was born in Iran about 8000 years BC. He revealed that there was only one God, Ahura Mazda and that life in the physical world was a battle between good and evil.


..... The original Aryans were realy multicultural and tolerant of all races! So, it is probable that the Jews were influenced by the Zoroastrian faith of Iran in those days - and took on the concepts of heaven/hell, God's evil adversary, the resurrection and the final purification of the world - the virgin birth, the Saviour etc., all these concepts being Zoroastrian. There are other similarities too - certain purificatory observances such as the impurity of menstruation etc. are found in both faiths. Indeed, the very idea of the Messiah, and the very concept of Jesus could be Zoroastrian in origin.


this religion in its origin is a monotheistic religion!

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In Zoroastrianism, Ahura Mazda is the beginning and the end, the creator of everything that can and cannot be seen, the Eternal, the Pure and the only Truth. In the Gathas, the most sacred texts of Zoroastrianism thought to have been composed by Zoroaster himself, the prophet acknowledged devotion to no other divinity besides Ahura Mazda.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoroastrianism#Principal_beliefs

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Nov 5, 2010 10:18:24 GMT -5 Johnny Edwards said:

. I believe it is just further evidence for Christ' divinity.

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what does it have with the divinity of the Christ?


"These are the four stages of righteousness itself in the world. Ahura Mazda has therefore promised to send His Messengers whenever chaos rages on the earth, whenever mankind strays from the true path of Ereta (righteousness) - in order to save mankind from the clutches of the evil one. These Messengers would bring the final event of the play of Creation nearer - the ultimate aim of the universe, the RENOVATION of the world. Asho Zarathushtra, our Holy Prophet is the first such messenger, indeed he was born for striking the first deadly blow against evil.

"The Holy Zarathushtra will be followed by three great Messengers, in the thousands of years to come. These are actually the sons of Zarathushtra himself, who will be born miraculously to virgin mothers among our Aryan descendants.

tenets.zoroastrianism.com/three33.html

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Quran never claimed to be the first message of the GOD but claimed to be the original religion of GOD,which had been corrupted by mankind before the Quran.for example daily worship in Zoroastrism is the exact same times with Islam and Quran clearly says that Namaz the daily worship has been an order of GOD to other nations before Islam as well (daily prayer "NAMAZ" is translated as "PRAYER" to English);


verses below shows that Namaz (daily prayer that we do 5 times a day after washing ourselves was performed before Quran came as well);



35. And when Ibrahim said: My Lord! make this city secure, and save me and my sons from worshipping idols:

36. My Lord! surely they have led many men astray; then whoever follows me, he is surely of me, and whoever disobeys me, Thou surely arc Forgiving, Merciful:

37. O our Lord! surely I have settled a part of my offspring in a valley unproductive of fruit near Thy Sacred House, our Lord! that they may keep up prayer; therefore make the hearts of some people yearn towards them and provide them with fruits; haply they may be grateful:

38. O our Lord! Surely Thou knowest what we hide and what we make public, and nothing in the earth nor any thing in heaven is hidden from Allah:

39. Praise be to Allah, Who has given me in old age Ismail and Ishaq; most surely my Lord is the Hearer of prayer:

40. My Lord! make me keep up prayer and from my offspring (too), O our Lord, and accept my prayer:



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54. And mention Ismail in the Book; surely he was truthful in (his) promise, and he was an apostle, a prophet.

55. And he enjoined on his family prayer and almsgiving, and was one in whom his Lord was well pleased.

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11. So when he came to it, a voice was uttered: O Musa:

12. Surely I am your Lord, therefore put off your shoes; surely you are in the sacred valley, Tuwa,

13. And I have chosen you, so listen to what is revealed:

14. Surely I am Allah, there is no god but I, therefore serve Me and keep up prayer for My remembrance:


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Jesus;

31. And He has made me blessed wherever I may be, and He has enjoined on me prayer and poor-rate so long as I live;

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Daily Sequence of Prayers for Zarathushtris


tenets.parsizoroastrianism.com/daily33.html



also from Adam till the last Prophet all called as Muslims in Quran,including the disciples of Jesus.Quran never claimed to bring something unheard but the SAMETHING that was originally came from HIM but was corrupted.

one should not expect GOD to ignore other nations such as Jews claims and call HIM "GOD of Israel".HE is the GOD of the Universe,not of Israel only.