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Post by Ryan Thames on Apr 1, 2011 13:02:50 GMT -5
That is a distorted view if morality. Because his "morality" is based on his own projection of good and evil totally oblivious to the truth of the matter. Or any true standard of morality.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Apr 1, 2011 13:04:08 GMT -5
Then again, this could start a long debate on human morality and whether or not it's learned or given at birth. ;D You may be too late for your hesitation lol |
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Post by Chris Kaufman on Apr 1, 2011 13:04:26 GMT -5
That is a distorted view if morality. Because his "morality" is based on his own projection of good and evil totally oblivious to the truth of the matter. Or any true standard of morality. Are you saying that if there was no Christianity than there wouldn't be a true standard of morality? |
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Post by Chris Kaufman on Apr 1, 2011 13:05:28 GMT -5
Then again, this could start a long debate on human morality and whether or not it's learned or given at birth. ;D You may be too late for your hesitation lol Yeah, you're probably right. lol |
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Post by Ryan Thames on Apr 1, 2011 13:05:37 GMT -5
I've been saying that on this board for the last 4-5 years don't act shocked now. Lol
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Post by Chris Kaufman on Apr 1, 2011 13:08:31 GMT -5
I've been saying that on this board for the last 4-5 years don't act shocked now. Lol Oh I know, I'm just curious. If there was no Christianity, do you think that we'd all be running around doing whatever we wanted without any kind of morality? Obviously this is hypothetical, so humor me in pretending that Christianity/Religion never existed. |
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Post by Ryan Thames on Apr 1, 2011 13:09:43 GMT -5
Morality is certainly NOT a natural attribute.
Morality is strictly taught. Based on and compared to the source of the teaching material.
Whether it be the bible, the Quran or your moms drunk boyfriend who can't pick his head off the table or get a good nights rest without peeing his pants.
Someone or series of someones taught you in some form or fashion what it is that you believe right from wrong.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Apr 1, 2011 13:11:28 GMT -5
And when you decide in your mind who is a good person or not a good person it is that standard in your mind that you have compared them to to make that judgement.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Apr 1, 2011 13:13:05 GMT -5
But to answer your question... if there was no religion whatsoever on the planet and never was the influence of it. Absolutly we would all be a very carnally minded people.
What then has ever established that it is wrong to steal, kill, lie, etc
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Post by Ryan Thames on Apr 1, 2011 13:14:14 GMT -5
If there was no religion what's to stop me from putting a bullet in your head just because I like your sneakers?
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Post by Ryan Thames on Apr 1, 2011 13:16:53 GMT -5
You ever notice you don't have to teach your kids to lie,steal be mean, jealous, hate?
In fact we have to teach them not to do these things.
Their form of Morality comes in when we teach them "why"
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Post by enginterzi on Apr 1, 2011 13:22:38 GMT -5
i believe that man is created with a natural guidance in his heart and that is how he differs good and bad from eachother.if we were not created with such nature then what HE taught us could not be acceptable,but HE would not order what is not acceptable for our nature,(just my belief).
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Post by Chris Kaufman on Apr 1, 2011 13:26:08 GMT -5
You ever notice you don't have to teach your kids to lie,steal be mean, jealous, hate? In fact we have to teach them not to do these things. Their form of Morality comes in when we teach them "why" People knew right and wrong before Christ.  I'm having a hard time finding which side of this argument I'm on. On one hand I feel we naturally obtain some level of right and wrong, but on the other I feel we are a product of our upbringing/environment. Unfortunately I'm a little rusty on my philosophy.  Couple scenarios: The cannibal that was taught from birth that eating your neighbor is just the way it is. This person obviously doesn't feel bad for doing so because he's been taught this. The person that was taught right/wrong with religion that decides to start eating people even though he was taught that it was wrong. I'm just kind of thinking/discussing out loud. Maybe you can choose whether or you want to be a product of your upbringing/environment? But where does that choice come from, or what initiates that choice? Oh hell, I've gone cross-eyed. ;D |
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Post by Ryan Thames on Apr 1, 2011 13:31:30 GMT -5
A good standard? Hhmm iam a good person because i love my family, my kids more than anything, i dont kill people, sell or do drugs and dont judge anyone based on anymore than that ;D So you are a good person because of your own standard..... That standard could change. What if because you love your family you needed to kill someone? What if (hypothetically speaking) your wife gets on drugs sells them and leaves you and you no longer love her. What if (hypothetically speaking) your kids do something so horrible you couldn't forgive them. Are you then no longer a good person? Or does your standard change so that you are still a good person but went through some crap? Obviously you didn't list your lifes worth of good vs evil so I won't nit pick the umpteen million things you left off. My point is everyone I know who compares themselves to their own standard is a good person. And that "if there is a god he knows I'm a good person and we will work it out in the end" |
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Post by Ryan Thames on Apr 1, 2011 13:36:02 GMT -5
People knew right and wrong before Christ. No they didn't...... You mean the physical manifestation of Christ in the flesh. But the bible Teaches that Christ was in the begining. And was with God AND was GOD. Point being as our hypothetical question is...... Religion or some form of religion or morality always was. |
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