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Post by Michael Wells on Apr 20, 2011 11:44:42 GMT -5
I personally respect others beliefs. Just don't like getting bashed and belittled for mine. Evolution IS a process of life. We just didn't come from monkeys as being the "core" of our creation. They teach that theory at my kids school, along with Christianity, Muslim, Buddhist and Judaism. Not sure why but it's in the curriculum. I'm ok with them getting a broader understanding of things.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Apr 20, 2011 12:08:37 GMT -5
I know you didn't answer me Ryan but since your answer works on my comment as well I'll give you a response too. Of course you have the right to choose to respect or disrespect other beliefs.. like we all do. The hard part is to keep COMMUNICATING with respect even though you don't respect their beliefs (that was what I meant with "taking it from theory to practice" in my post here above). If you can't handle that part then maybe you shouldn't communicate with that person or those persons at all...? For example, I know you have a hard time to respect homo sexual people.. that's fine with me until you choose to COMMUNICATE it by telling them up in their face here on the board that they (or their acts) are DISGUSTING. There's where I draw the line... you can disrespect people and their beliefs (whatever it may be... there are lots of sick beliefs out there)... BUT, when you choose to communicate with them I think you should communicate with RESPECT. If you can't do that you don't have the understanding IMO.. Not really understanding Why it matters if my opinion is perceived as disrespectful. Everyone else can come on here and mock me and my beliefs and be disrespectful but it's always us Christians who are deemed as intolerant and disrespectful. Interesting... |
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Post by Ryan Thames on Apr 20, 2011 12:11:13 GMT -5
I do respect respectable homosexuals. But my opinion stays the same.
Respect is a relative term. I respect homosexuals right to do what they want to do.
But I have the right to say what I want to say.
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Apr 20, 2011 12:36:36 GMT -5
We were discussing the Evolution of man as far as coming from another form of mankind Karen, Not the evolution of a car, plane, the thoughts of man, Your discussing micro evolution not Macro. There are several forms of evolution but as a whole it doesn't exist, only in certain circumstances. People living in the cold tend to have thicker blood. That kind of adaptation is real and does exist there is proof. But the other kind about man evolving from another form does not exist it's a theory with no proof. I just got a recent science magazine I bought and it talks about all the flaws of the big bang theory and why it needs to be done away with also.
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Apr 20, 2011 12:39:38 GMT -5
Microevolution is a change in gene frequency within a population over time.[1] This change is due to four different processes: mutation, selection (natural and artificial), gene flow and genetic drift.
Population genetics is the branch of biology that provides the mathematical structure for the study of the process of microevolution. Ecological genetics concerns itself with observing microevolution in the wild. Typically, observable instances of evolution are examples of microevolution; for example, bacterial strains that have antibiotic resistance.
Microevolution can be contrasted with macroevolution, which is the occurrence of large-scale changes in gene frequencies in a population over a geological time period (i.e. consisting of extended microevolution). The difference is largely one of approach. Microevolution is reductionist, but macroevolution is holistic. Each approach offers different insights into the evolution process. Macroevolution can be seen as the sum of long periods of microevolution, and thus the two are qualitatively identical while being quantitatively different
Macroevolution has never been proven, not even in plants they have no proof of plants evolving from one species to another. Cross breeding sometimes produces a new plant but not a new species.
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Post by Karen Bean on Apr 20, 2011 12:43:06 GMT -5
But I have the right to say what I want to say. Ryan you might want to seriously study the First Amendment. You'll find you do not have the right to say whatever you please. |
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Apr 20, 2011 12:48:39 GMT -5
I do respect respectable homosexuals. But my opinion stays the same. Respect is a relative term. I respect homosexuals right to do what they want to do. But I have the right to say what I want to say. What exactly is respect??? Some peoples definition of respect is different than another persons definition of respect, for instance if a straight pride march was started beside a gay pride march who would be considered running along the border of hate crimes??? Now ask yourself why?  ? If anyone feels threatened in what they believe to be ok then they are going to feel disrespected, so you can't always give everyone perfect respect without offending someone else...... If you personally said to someone they were nasty ect..... then that would be disrespectful, but talking about your beliefs in general is not being disrespectful. Ryan could say they are disrespecting him by saying it's ok to be homosexual because it conflicts with their view, but thats not how some of society views it even though its true. Until you personally say something to someone and MAKE it personal then that is not being disrespectful in my opinion. Just stating your view on the matter. Same as they state their view. No different than someone telling Ryan he is stupid for believing in and imaginary guy, thats just as disrespectful as if he had told someone they were nasty for being gay. I don't recall him personally telling anyone that with that use of words........ JMO |
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Apr 20, 2011 12:51:37 GMT -5
But I have the right to say what I want to say. Ryan you might want to seriously study the First Amendment. You'll find you do not have the right to say whatever you please. You can't make threats towards people ect....... but you do have a right to voice your views with the consequences you can draw to yourself. Just like those people that protest military funerals, it's allowed. But I am sure they will suffer some consequences when some family members get pissed about it. If you make it personal towards someone it changes the fact but if you just voice your opinions in general then thats freedom of speech. |
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Post by Charlie Minell on Apr 20, 2011 12:53:44 GMT -5
I know you didn't answer me Ryan but since your answer works on my comment as well I'll give you a response too. Of course you have the right to choose to respect or disrespect other beliefs.. like we all do. The hard part is to keep COMMUNICATING with respect even though you don't respect their beliefs (that was what I meant with "taking it from theory to practice" in my post here above). If you can't handle that part then maybe you shouldn't communicate with that person or those persons at all...? For example, I know you have a hard time to respect homo sexual people.. that's fine with me until you choose to COMMUNICATE it by telling them up in their face here on the board that they (or their acts) are DISGUSTING. There's where I draw the line... you can disrespect people and their beliefs (whatever it may be... there are lots of sick beliefs out there)... BUT, when you choose to communicate with them I think you should communicate with RESPECT. If you can't do that you don't have the understanding IMO.. Not really understanding Why it matters if my opinion is perceived as disrespectful. Everyone else can come on here and mock me and my beliefs and be disrespectful but it's always us Christians who are deemed as intolerant and disrespectful. Interesting... I've been telling non religious people on here before that they are disrespectful so it has nothing to do with you being a christian. (if that was the case wouldn't that be the total opposite of my point here..?) The reason why I took this homo sexual thing as an example is simply because I think it clearly shows what kind of disrespectfulness many people see as ok to say... since it's only about "those gays".... But if it was about "those christians" I know of a certain someone that would be very upset on here..  "do to others what you would have them do to you", remember? Anything else.. wouldn't that be double standards? I respect homosexuals right to do what they want to do. But I have the right to say what I want to say." Yes, and I have the right to say bad stuff about your religion but I'm not doing that for certain reasons.. just like you shouldn't say everything you have the right to. At least if you don't want to be someone with double standards, which isn't the case what I've understood from you. |
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Apr 20, 2011 12:57:35 GMT -5
Not really understanding Why it matters if my opinion is perceived as disrespectful. Everyone else can come on here and mock me and my beliefs and be disrespectful but it's always us Christians who are deemed as intolerant and disrespectful. Interesting... I've been telling non religious people on here before that they are disrespectful so it has nothing to do with you being a christian. (if that was the case wouldn't that be the total opposite of my point here..?) The reason why I took this homo sexual thing as an example is simply because I think it clearly shows what kind of disrespectfulness many people see as ok to say... since it's only about "those gays".... But if it was about "those christians" I know of a certain someone that would be very upset on here.. "do to others what you would have them do to you", remember? Anything else.. wouldn't that be double standards? I respect homosexuals right to do what they want to do. But I have the right to say what I want to say." Yes, and I have the right to say bad stuff about your religion but I'm not doing that for certain reasons.. just like you shouldn't say everything you have the right to. At least if you don't want to be someone with double standards, which isn't the case what I've understood from you. I agree with all of that. I don't say everything I think about everything, but respect is just a personal opinion. I know people that are disrespected if you try to shake there hand with your left hand. But couldn't it be they are disrespecting you by not shaking the hand you offered them??? Just thinking outside the box a little. Everything isn't all clear cut, thats why so many injustices are created in the first place. |
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Post by Karen Bean on Apr 20, 2011 12:58:02 GMT -5
We were discussing the Evolution of man as far as coming from another form of mankind Karen, Not the evolution of a car, plane, the thoughts of man, Your discussing micro evolution not Macro. There are several forms of evolution but as a whole it doesn't exist, only in certain circumstances. People living in the cold tend to have thicker blood. That kind of adaptation is real and does exist there is proof. But the other kind about man evolving from another form does not exist it's a theory with no proof. I just got a recent science magazine I bought and it talks about all the flaws of the big bang theory and why it needs to be done away with also. No Johnny what I am referring to has nothing to do with the "Evolution of man". Nor was I discussing a plane, a car, etc. Some people totally disputed that "evolution" exists. Just as you've taken a stand that it does and doesn't exist - "There are several forms of evolution but as a whole it doesn't exist, only in certain circumstances." Definitive! And Johnny, people that live in cold climates do not adapt and have thicker blood. If you are exposed to extreme cold for a length of time, the cold may contribute to more platelets which can cause blood clots which then can cause you to have a heart attack. That's not adapting, that's a negative reaction. Which ever "side" you choose to take is "theory". No concrete proof exists. |
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Apr 20, 2011 13:01:48 GMT -5
I personally respect a a homosexual person that doesn't run aronud ranting IM GAY IM GAY GET USED TO IT, you don't hear me running around saying IM STRAIGHT IM STRAIGHT GET USED TO IT. I mean there is really no reason to do stuff like that except to draw attention to yourself and make people think you are trying to get attention for what??? If you are truly secure in your sexuality then nothing anybody says is going to bother you anyways. You are who you are and it doesn't matter what they think. I have gay family members I get along with them very well. I don't say stuff to them bragging about being straight and they don't brag about being gay. We just are who are. I don't agree with it, but thats their life and choice not mine. So you won't hear me judging them. It's just not my view but theirs.
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Apr 20, 2011 13:05:52 GMT -5
We were discussing the Evolution of man as far as coming from another form of mankind Karen, Not the evolution of a car, plane, the thoughts of man, Your discussing micro evolution not Macro. There are several forms of evolution but as a whole it doesn't exist, only in certain circumstances. People living in the cold tend to have thicker blood. That kind of adaptation is real and does exist there is proof. But the other kind about man evolving from another form does not exist it's a theory with no proof. I just got a recent science magazine I bought and it talks about all the flaws of the big bang theory and why it needs to be done away with also. No Johnny what I am referring to has nothing to do with the "Evolution of man". Nor was I discussing a plane, a car, etc. Some people totally disputed that "evolution" exists. Just as you've taken a stand that it does and doesn't exist - "There are several forms of evolution but as a whole it doesn't exist, only in certain circumstances." Definitive! And Johnny, people that live in cold climates do not adapt and have thicker blood. If you are exposed to extreme cold for a length of time, the cold may contribute to more platelets which can cause blood clots which then can cause you to have a heart attack. That's not adapting, that's a negative reaction. Which ever "side" you choose to take is "theory". No concrete proof exists. What evolution are you referring too? you posted about planes and what not earlier? Your body does adapt to your surrounding, Why do we get tan if we stay in the sun??? You can catch cancer but your body protects itself. That is and evolution/adaptation. We were discussing macroevolution not short term adaptations which you seem to be referring too. Over time you have people with darker skin who are always in the sun, but over a long period of time you don't all of a sudden have a new species, that is where it goes from proof to a theory. It's not exisiting the way your making it sound like it's all just a fact which it isn't. |
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Post by Charlie Minell on Apr 20, 2011 13:07:10 GMT -5
We were discussing the Evolution of man as far as coming from another form of mankind Karen, Not the evolution of a car, plane, the thoughts of man, Your discussing micro evolution not Macro. There are several forms of evolution but as a whole it doesn't exist, only in certain circumstances. People living in the cold tend to have thicker blood. That kind of adaptation is real and does exist there is proof. But the other kind about man evolving from another form does not exist it's a theory with no proof. I just got a recent science magazine I bought and it talks about all the flaws of the big bang theory and why it needs to be done away with also. I don't want to get too caught in these discussions but I have to ask - if you can accept the "man made" evolution from a wolf to a chihuahua then why is the human evolution so impossible? I'd say a monkey looks way more like a human being than a wolf looks like a chihuahua.. |
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Apr 20, 2011 13:08:41 GMT -5
There is concrete proof of developing traits that adapt you to your surroundings but evolving into new species. Take for instance again people who have generations and generations of high altitude life, you have a greater lung compacity than someone with generations at sea level. That is an evolution in the sense of the word. But it's just a trait not a species change. And people in very cold weather with generations in it do tend to have better resistance to cold.
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? If anyone feels threatened in what they believe to be ok then they are going to feel disrespected, so you can't always give everyone perfect respect without offending someone else...... If you personally said to someone they were nasty ect..... then that would be disrespectful, but talking about your beliefs in general is not being disrespectful. Ryan could say they are disrespecting him by saying it's ok to be homosexual because it conflicts with their view, but thats not how some of society views it even though its true. Until you personally say something to someone and MAKE it personal then that is not being disrespectful in my opinion. Just stating your view on the matter. Same as they state their view. No different than someone telling Ryan he is stupid for believing in and imaginary guy, thats just as disrespectful as if he had told someone they were nasty for being gay. I don't recall him personally telling anyone that with that use of words........ JMO
