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Post by Hungry Hippo on Jun 3, 2011 12:35:22 GMT -5
This is common.... Jesus was talking to Satan who was using Peter at that moment. He was not talking TO Peter ok..if I look at you and say "Ryan, you are an offensive person"...I'm talking to a different entity and not you?.. I think if I look at you and say that, I'm talking to you. As when Jesus looked at Peter. |
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Post by Robert Bishop on Jun 3, 2011 12:59:30 GMT -5
Jesus knew it was Satan who was moving Peter to say what he said
later
Jesus told Peter that Satan desired to have him that he could sift him like wheat/try him
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jun 3, 2011 13:14:00 GMT -5
This is common.... Jesus was talking to Satan who was using Peter at that moment. He was not talking TO Peter ok..if I look at you and say "Ryan, you are an offensive person"...I'm talking to a different entity and not you?.. I think if I look at you and say that, I'm talking to you. As when Jesus looked at Peter. You would be talking to me. About me. I am not Satan. I can be offensive. I like anyone can be used by Satan. |
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jun 3, 2011 13:16:03 GMT -5
Satan is definitely a separate entity.
Realize this that Satan is not omnipresent like God.
Satan was at one place at that time and Jesus knew where. So he spoke to him.
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Post by Hungry Hippo on Jun 3, 2011 13:16:36 GMT -5
Ok you all say "used by Satan"..Satan by definition means "opposing spirit" so I agree. We all can be used by an opposing spirit. Not an entity.
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Jun 3, 2011 13:20:12 GMT -5
Satan is and entity read the book of job and yes Satan can possess people.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jun 3, 2011 13:21:03 GMT -5
An opposing spirit is a specific entity
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Post by Hungry Hippo on Jun 3, 2011 13:31:19 GMT -5
An opposing spirit is a specific entity Not entirely. There is the nature of man which in itself is opposed to the nature of God. |
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jun 3, 2011 13:44:43 GMT -5
An opposing spirit is a specific entity Not entirely. There is the nature of man which in itself is opposed to the nature of God. I can agree with that. But that does not conclude that the spirit of man and Satan are the same thing. |
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Post by Hungry Hippo on Jun 3, 2011 14:38:40 GMT -5
Not entirely. There is the nature of man which in itself is opposed to the nature of God. I can agree with that. But that does not conclude that the spirit of man and Satan are the same thing. Ok. So if our nature is opposed to God, then why would there need to be the presence of another evil or entity..God created good and evil. Not Good, Evil and More Evil..See my point? |
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jun 3, 2011 15:24:31 GMT -5
i see your point.... i just dont agree. I dont think that thought process lines up with scripture.
Satan was an angel cast down from heaven. a specific being or "entity"
"HE" comes to steal kill and destroy.
"HE" comes as an angel of light
"HE" roams to and fro throughout the earth seeking whom he shall devour
there are too many scripture references that teach us he is a specifiic entity to dismiss his existence and influence over the earth.
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Post by Hungry Hippo on Jun 3, 2011 20:49:58 GMT -5
Angels are perfect bro...if angels can go back on God then were all in trouble!..thay was talking about king nebby..and angels can also mean men of god..there are second heaven angels and third heaven angels..this angel that fell was not a third heaven angel
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jun 3, 2011 21:25:47 GMT -5
this angel that fell was not a third heaven angel I think I remember hearing something like that before |
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Post by John Wilson on Jun 4, 2011 10:02:48 GMT -5
Angels are "created perfect" but they are not bound to stay that way. God gave them free will just as he gave us free will. We are not created as mindless slaves. God created Man to be perfect. We chose sin. Every one of us chooses sin every day. Sin separates us from God.
Satan would not be subserviant to man. He led a rebellion and "fully a third of the angels in heaven" were cast out for this rebellion. They did not cease to be angels. The word "angel" does not mean Holy. It means "messenger." The term angel has zero connotation to good or evil. A spirit with free will can choose to be evil. When the angels rebelled they did not become different beings. Whatever abilities they had before the Fall, they retained afterwards. There is no scripture to support otherwise.
Satan, and the other fallen angels, are real. They are individual entities. They are evil because they are separated from God. Without God, there can be no good in anything. God did not create evil. Evil comes from a separation from God.
Man does not need Satan's influence to be evil, he only has to choose to separate from God. We don't need help to do this, but it does not mean that Satan and his legion of demons do not influence humans. Quite the opposite. Their goal is to separate Man from God, to steal us away from Him.
If you count the miracles that Jesus performed, casting out demons is by far the majority of them. So either Satan and demons are actual entities, or Jesus was a madman or a fraud. It cannot be both.
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Post by enginterzi on Jun 4, 2011 10:57:39 GMT -5
Man does not need Satan's influence to be evil, he only has to choose to separate from God. |
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