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Post by Johnny Edwards on Jun 4, 2011 20:51:21 GMT -5
Engin, what do you think about the translation in Isaiah 14:12?  Do you speak any of the said languages??? Would help me out a lot in my studying if you did. |
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Jun 4, 2011 20:58:42 GMT -5
Johnny I can't seem to find the post where you referenced the crescent moon. What do you think is the connection from our study here to Islam? ? I honestly haven't a clue??? Haven't researched it's effects on anything just thought about the Mormon thing because I briefly was reading a site on the possible effects on the religions. Not sure about the crescent moon. Maybe in a translation it mentioned it or something??? The effects on the Mormon faith are because supposedly Joseph Smith had divine knowledge of the scriptures and such and he translated it wrong too, still doing my research haven't finished so no calls on anything. My buddy Brad who is a devout Mormon is studying up on it with me now. He ask me what I thought about if Joseph Smith had actually talked to Satan who disguised himself as and angel of light and I said well thats not up to me to make a decision on for you. You will just have to research with me like I am having to do. Got me back to reading my Bible again though. Me and Brad had a good discussion yesterday that lasted for about 8 hrs haha. From what I understand of his beliefs that he has explained is that they worship Jesus and accept him as the Lord and saviour and the only way to heaven. He was giving me a rundown on the beliefs of modern day prophets and such. Im actually probably going to study up on Mormonism for awhile to see what the belief systems in place there are. Then maybe jump and try to do a serious study on Islam. Learned a lot in World Religions at college this last semester, interesting stuff. |
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jun 4, 2011 21:30:26 GMT -5
That's awesome that he's questioning that. The bible teaches us to question all things and hold on to what is good.
Basically God says test me and know I am true.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jun 4, 2011 21:34:57 GMT -5
mormonism in less than 7 minutes
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Jun 4, 2011 21:45:04 GMT -5
They also believe that Satan and Jesus were brothers.
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Jun 4, 2011 21:46:02 GMT -5
He is like me and test faith. Brad is a good guy. He didn't say he was going to walk away from his faith by any means just posed a what if question and asked my opinion.
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Jun 4, 2011 21:49:42 GMT -5
www.scionofzion.com/isaiah14_12.htmRead that guys rant, he clearly made himself look like and idiot since Lucifer is Latin for Morning star. WOW. I need to learn Hebrew and Greek and then read the Bible lol
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Jun 4, 2011 21:56:32 GMT -5
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Jun 4, 2011 22:02:47 GMT -5
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Jun 4, 2011 22:17:19 GMT -5
blowthetrumpet.org/WhoseNameisLucifer.htm another viewpoint but seems inaccurate if the root word halal is positive and negative when in Isaiah 14:12 it seems to me that the prophecy is mocking the king Nebby because he is a boastful person? Any discussion??? very very mixed reviews on this.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jun 5, 2011 4:26:50 GMT -5
I might could go with it mocking nebby.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jun 5, 2011 4:36:01 GMT -5
But strangely enough when I read the story of nebby regardless that he was a heathen king and all I get the tone that the bible actually shows a sort of respect or honor towards nebby.
Kinda like mike Tyson.... He's and idiot and seriously brain damaged. He's done bad things that put him in prison but you wouldn't deny him the respect of being one of the greatest boxers of all time.
Possibly because Daniel was pretty close with nebby.
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Jun 5, 2011 16:23:06 GMT -5
I can see that. It just comes off as mocking him showing him he is and idiot for thinking he could be and equal to God to me. I can see it the other way too though.
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Post by Jacob Hale on Jun 6, 2011 12:46:43 GMT -5
blowthetrumpet.org/WhoseNameisLucifer.htm another viewpoint but seems inaccurate if the root word halal is positive and negative when in Isaiah 14:12 it seems to me that the prophecy is mocking the king Nebby because he is a boastful person? Any discussion??? very very mixed reviews on this. Did you read my post from the other day? Because, that is the exact argument that I made. Isaiah 14 is a victory taunt against the Babylonian king, mocking him for his arrogance. |
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Post by Robert Bishop on Jun 6, 2011 12:55:08 GMT -5
Johnny I can't seem to find the post where you referenced the crescent moon. What do you think is the connection from our study here to Islam? ? I honestly haven't a clue??? Haven't researched it's effects on anything just thought about the Mormon thing because I briefly was reading a site on the possible effects on the religions. Not sure about the crescent moon. Maybe in a translation it mentioned it or something??? The effects on the Mormon faith are because supposedly Joseph Smith had divine knowledge of the scriptures and such and he translated it wrong too, still doing my research haven't finished so no calls on anything. My buddy Brad who is a devout Mormon is studying up on it with me now. He ask me what I thought about if Joseph Smith had actually talked to Satan who disguised himself as and angel of light and I said well thats not up to me to make a decision on for you. You will just have to research with me like I am having to do. Got me back to reading my Bible again though. Me and Brad had a good discussion yesterday that lasted for about 8 hrs haha. From what I understand of his beliefs that he has explained is that they worship Jesus and accept him as the Lord and Saviour and the only way to heaven. He was giving me a rundown on the beliefs of modern day prophets and such. I'm actually probably going to study up on Mormonism for awhile to see what the belief systems in place there are. Then maybe jump and try to do a serious study on Islam. Learned a lot in World Religions at college this last semester, interesting stuff. i remember that the so-called writings that he found couldnt be translated and that he claimed that God gave him divine ability to translate them which not one other person could understand  ----------Joseph Smith I have heard some Mormons say the Jesus and Satan had to decide who would be the messiah Mormons also believe that in heaven there will be levels in which they will be at the top and they pray for the dead Joseph Smith was a treasure hunter in which he looked into something which he said told him where to dig and also led him to the writings only he could interpret --------by the way that is witchcraft |
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Do you speak any of the said languages??? Would help me out a lot in my studying if you did. 
----------Joseph Smith