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Post by Johnny Edwards on Aug 8, 2011 13:59:33 GMT -5
That last part was just showing how the pirate costume remark had no relevance lol. You are also right. Most religions do teach to treat each other with respect, thats a universal rule. When you get down to the real teaching it varies very very greatly, as I have learned in some world religion classes at college. How about Bohemian Grove??? Thats where the Manhattan project was first talked about.
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Aug 8, 2011 14:03:09 GMT -5
Also Masonry does teach about Lucifer that is a fact, seeing as to how Lucifer is a term that shouldn't be in place period and since to the general public that term is associated with Satan then it becomes bad in the general view from the outside. I have personally been told by a couple mason's now that Lucifer doesn't represent Satan, thing is it's not supposed to represent anything in the biblical perspective because Jerome invented the term and inserted it, my question is why all the books written about him in masonry and also about being able to conjure him??? Last I checked that was spoken against in the Bible and you can't conjure Jesus lol. Whats your insight on that?
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Aug 8, 2011 14:11:07 GMT -5
www.glnd.org/Teach.htm <That is essentially what it teaches correct. Or thats what I have always been told by Masons. You ever visited the, I think it's the grand lodge or something up in Washington DC I believe??? I was watching on decoded and they had visited it. It was pretty neat. I believe they were doing a study on trying to find the cornerstone to the Whitehouse or something like that.
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Post by Allen Hester on Aug 10, 2011 19:30:28 GMT -5
Let me make it clearer, I don't think they are evil, but from a Christian standpoint Masons are not teaching the Christ of the Bible which the Bible speaks against. I didn't say it was evil or the devil, but people do think that because it teaches something different. Just believing in a higher power doesn't count in a Biblical perspective. Thats becomes a false teaching. It's like saying going to church gets you to heaven. Also from personally knowing some Masons, the belief in a higher power could technically be Satan if they wanted it to be, but with that said they still have to have moral obligations that relate to the group, otherwise they cannot represent it properly. Johnny, you can apply any perspective to this that you see may fit. I don't know who the "masons" you are referring to, who are telling you that Satan can be that higher being? No, Satan cannot be the/a higher power in Masonry. Whomever follows Satan should be banned from this fraternity! Skull and Bones, you actually don't know anymore about them than I do. Yes, Johnny, I know of the Skull and Bones...well. For argument's sake: People associate skull and cross bones to pirates, poison, and of course Masonry. Just because people, who have wealth, are in this group and move onto powerful position means they're bad in some form or another? No. In all seriousness I guess we should also just let terrorist run for president since their group connections mean nothing  I am not sure if you just associated Masonry with terrorism... Did you? Also Masonry does teach about Lucifer that is a fact, seeing as to how Lucifer is a term that shouldn't be in place period and since to the general public that term is associated with Satan then it becomes bad in the general view from the outside. I have personally been told by a couple mason's now that Lucifer doesn't represent Satan, thing is it's not supposed to represent anything in the biblical perspective because Jerome invented the term and inserted it, my question is why all the books written about him in masonry and also about being able to conjure him??? Last I checked that was spoken against in the Bible and you can't conjure Jesus lol. Whats your insight on that? How do you know "for a fact" what Masonry teaches, if you are not a Mason? Because some book told you that Satan is conjured? What are the names of the books you are referring to? This is the best way I can ask you: Would you accept insight on armwrestling from Kermit the Frog, or a book he wrote on it, or John Brzenk? We do NOT conjure Satan...plain and simple. I am heavy into Masonry and I should know. If you cannot believe someone (me), who is in the fraternity, who can you believe? www.glnd.org/Teach.htm <That is essentially what it teaches correct. Or thats what I have always been told by Masons. You ever visited the, I think it's the grand lodge or something up in Washington DC I believe??? I was watching on decoded and they had visited it. It was pretty neat. I believe they were doing a study on trying to find the cornerstone to the Whitehouse or something like that. First, I think that is what I've been trying to give a picture of, but I must have failed. No, I have not visited the place you listed. Every building has a cornerstone, especially ones built back then. I don't know what else to say on this matter, Johnny. I digress. Coming to Unifieds? |
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Aug 11, 2011 12:40:01 GMT -5
I listed the books that I was referring too, they were written by Mason's lol. I didn't say I know everything about masonry but a lot of the books they study are not a big secret by any means. You choose different paths and advance down that path by leading yourself in which ever direction you feel lead. I didn't say it was Satan, I said in theory that it could be to a person, when someone is allowed to enter based off of just a belief in a higher power they do not have to define what they higher power is. The fraternity itself is innocent in that it doesn't technically make anyone believe anything. It just points in directions. Im not saying being rich and in a fraternity means your evil, in fact I said I don't believe Masonry is evil in the sense of the word, but it has had people in it who's books are highly regarded and studied by masons. You get different reading material at different degrees, it's a shame some of the material is so public is what I have always been told but a lot of it is. Thats the stuff I have knowledge of. I never connected Skull and Bones with Masonry just something going on behind the scenes, you know you get into a position of power and your like welll im gonna help my brother get into a position of power, thats what I mean. Not a conspiracy just unfair play is what I am referring to. Thats matter of fact true and does happen. The terrorist was just showing something unrelated as you did with the pirate costumes. The skull and bones does have some very interesting rituals which could be looked at as satanic. Could just be all mocked up stuff but ya know as I was stating. My personal beliefs are there are good and bad people in everything, whether they are meant to be there or not it's just a fact, but I don't see masonry as a whole as evil by any means. From a Biblical standpoint it has a different teaching though is what I was saying. Evil as in I wanna do harm to people, that does not happen. Masons do a whole lot of good in the community, sadly sometimes a lot more than most churches do . I think your taking some things I say and trying to make them out to be more, if not I apologize for saying you did. The facts I mentioned are from the books Mysteries of Magic, and some of Albert Pikes books that teach about Lucifer. One of Alberts books is the one that teaches about the conjuring of Lucifer. I have asked Masons about the Lucifer thing and they say it's a reference to Jesus not Satan. What do you think about it not supposed to be a term applied at all though??? It was something inserted by Jerome in the 1400's under Pope Demascus(spelling). It's not in the Hebrew text. The word was not a proper noun. Unifieds are out for me, been out of work for 3 weeks with some feet problems that I was trying to get healed up and didn't have the money. Some of the teammates will be there though. You going to be there?? If so what weight class?? No harm intended by any of my post either bro, just asking questions and speaking what i have learned on. If I thought it was really evil as in harm to people that type of stuff i wouldn't be best friends with a mason lol. All Masons have the teaching of treating other people good in common |
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